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Originally Posted by [URU]AkeR (Post 457004)

The self-righteousness and condescendent tone some members use to refer to the developers is unbelievable. I find it more disrepectfull than a plain insult.

Agreed 100%

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Originally Posted by [URU]AkeR (Post 457004)

Anyone that has been in the IL2 world for a couple of years has stumble with kilometers of text on FM discussión and hundreds of references to data sources of varied quality. Let alone the developers of the game who make a living out of this. Of course they know where to find the data. Some ppl have rub it to their faces over and over.

At least you have to give them credit for providing some data!!

Most of the FM complaints provide nothing at all and still they make their claims of how 'wrong' the FM is..

Which would be funny if it was not so sad!

I mean for all we know their claims of 'wrong' is based of the info from one of their boy-hood coloring books! ;)

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Originally Posted by [URU]AkeR (Post 457004)

I´ll give you a clue, FM will keep improving for years but will never be perfect.

Bingo!

I have had this saying for years now..

No FM ever WAS, IS, or WILL BE PERFECT!

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Originally Posted by [URU]AkeR (Post 457004)

In IL2 1946 we have some great modders that have put great effort and knowdlege to get the more accurate FM according to the info they have, and even after all these years there is always someone that think that the result is wrong and comes out showing some other data he has found and it goes on and on, and after 10 years the discussion continues

Exactly!

We can always get closer, but it will never be perfect!

Hence the name 'simulation' in place of 'reality! ;)

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Originally Posted by Osprey (Post 456968)

Ilya has been emailed the information on correct FM and flight operation for Hurricane and Spitfire from a reliable source before the last 2 patches, and ongoing. I can't say more because I was asked not to, which is why I only whine that the FM's aren't fixed rather than supply further information - ie, Ilya has all he needs. Why it is still not correct I do not know and I'd doubt that B6 does either ;) - the findings on speeds when temperature effects is turned off though is very interesting.

Thank you Osprey. I didn't really doubt they have the data I just don't understand why we are still waiting.

My last on FMs in this thread to those that have only been posting here for five minutes. We have waited a year and a half for decent FMs. The RAF FMs are not even close to basic performance. What could be more fundamental in a combat flight simulator than having aircraft that perform somewhere close to what they are supposed to represent. The flying and combat performance are the core of CoD even beyond great graphics, interfaces and the mission builder. If the aircraft don't even perform properly the rest is meaningless because then its not a combat simulation its just another naff flying game and at the moment the RAF FMs are naff. They need to be fixed. That is not "self-righteous" and not "condescending". It is a simple expectation. They have had more than enough time and we still aren't told what to expect other than "we're working on it". What we are left to believe is that they are working on the sequel to the detriment of what we have already paid for a year and a half ago. Those that have been here a while know I have been a solid supporter of 1C and the belief that they will fix this but with no explanation on where they really are on this what are we to do if the next patch is final and the FMs aren't fixed? And if its not final just how much longer are we to be kept waiting?

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Originally Posted by Osprey (Post 456968)

good news !

can you please start a thread here, or in some other forum if need be, on what the best current reference information is that you have been able to find regarding the various aspects of performance and flight model differences for the main fighters we currently have (eg climb rates, turn rate, roll rate, speed at various altitude, dive speed etc)

with the significant amount of detailed reliable information on those that have become available, it should be possible to arrive at a reliable set of comparative figures that can then be openly recognized and accepted