you'r making a major error if you are trying to hold up tree as an example of anything good in this forum in the last few years. for anybody who has seen him in action here over the last few years ( presming the observer has an IQ over 100), tree was the extreme example of a petulant perpetual whiner who's sole purpose was to put a negative slant on everything, and he did so frequently and with the sole aim to deliberatly misrepresenting facts and mislead people

aside from that lapse in your reference material, i'd agree with your main point: strictly censoring posters to try and remove people reporting problems is no solution.

some of the old timer posters in this thread seem to have a short memory however. previous moderators when dealing with similar problems already repeatedly stated that (unless outright flame wars) they stop reading the thread for feedback after the first few pages

we've been there before folks. those ignoring history are doomed to repeat it, err, who said that again ?

Error or not I do find him amusing in the spicy questions he delivers at times (yes, he do cross the line at times - but aren't we all human?).

But fine, I might be of lesser IQ.

oden,

the IQ dig wasnt directed at you, and looking at your joining date you havnt been able to observe tree's behaviour over the last 5 or 6 years. since he probably will have been banned repeatedly for extended periods since you joined here, i dont think you have seen him enough in action to see him for what he is/was.

ever since oleg postponed the original BoB release in 2004 (iirc), tree has been acted like the ugly prom date which has been stood up on the big night, and from then on has had a fixation to keep whining about all things il2/BoB. as a result tree has trawled the main il2 forums ever since, with a perpetual petulant behaviour that only sprouts negative nonsense, and he has done so deliberatly. since even a broken clock looks right 2x per day, it occasionally seems tree might say something that comes true, but its not down to any of his wisdom, just a statistical lielyhood based on the high volume of nonsense he sprouts.

Guys its a good Idea and I will discuss with Blacksix and the other mods.

We dont want to sensor peoples opinions but unfortunately sometimes people go a little over board as has been quite evident in the last 48hrs.

Don't get me wrong, Im highly critical of what was released and how it was handled too, but unlike a lot of others here I decided to get positively involved.

After playing IL2 for 10 years and being in one of the longest serving squads which has a long history with IL2 and a couple of long running permanent game servers, I can tell you I wasnt impressed by what was released. And Im still critical like a lot of you about the CTD/memory leak bug and some of the playability issues, but I actually accepted long ago that it was what it was, and it is what it is today...... I want to enjoy this sim for another ten years so im not going to try and bury it ten feet under with constant criticism and childish remarks.

I am also however, not in denial that it needs a lot of work. But as we have seen the guys are working on it and it is HARD WORK. So I just enjoy it as it is, and it is still quite magical despite some of the current clunkiness.

Some of you commented about .net and the complexity of the aircraft. They are basically flying blueprints pretty much down to the last rivet. Thats painstaking work. Not only that but the damage models are so much more complex now because of all the extra detail beneath the skin. Thats not even taking into account the skinning and graphical detail. So have a little respect when Luthier says it takes a year, thats what it takes. Why would he make that up knowing that you lot want to lynch him? ;)

Yes nm but that is not the point of this thread old boy. As klem says, there are plenty of whinebuckets for people to bleat into, but it would nice to have one thread which isn't totally polluted. Thanks :)

The topic is directed at moderators, so I didn't miss the point. However, I decided it's best to let members run the course and I'll stay out of the fray.

That post of yours nailed it nearmiss, I was just about to respond to it...oh well

Thanks for the vote of confidence... LOL

I've just replied to a post of yours which you've since removed from this thread and that changes the context of what I'd written entirely. How the thread now reads is that I mention you before you've even posted! Please don't do that, or it may undermine my confidence in moderators.....;)

lol