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speculum jockey 10-27-2011 01:57 PM

Has Hollywood made a good/realistic WWII film? A lot of people say that Saving Private Ryan was perfect, but I found it to be Spielberg's typical "Heavy-Handed" tripe. The effects were amazing, and good choreography, but every 5 minutes I found myself pulled out of the experience by some manner of glaring error, or stupid thematic device (like having every German soldier a skinhead).

Yes Mr. Spielberg, we didn't forget that the Holocaust happened, but skinheads were an invention of the 70's/80's.

I'm really glad that they didn't make that Battle of Britain movie since this is 100% how it would have happened. . .

:cool:"Hey you useless Brits, I'm an American and I'm going to show you cowards how to really shoot down Nazi planes! Boooyah! That's my 50th kill this week! Oh, lost another lame Brit wingman. Good thing I brought my American Made P-51 D to this battle that takes place Summer-Fall 1940. Oh did I mention that I happen to also fire explosive rounds from this? It's a special top-secret round that improves movie cinematics. Oh no! We're up against an SS wing of ME-262's They specifically target Jewish pilots. . . I'm 1/2 Jewish! Better get in an 1 on 1 battle with the head SS pilot. At the end I'll appear to be just about to lose, and when he dives to deliver his death-blow on my damaged P-51 I'll do some manner of Physics-Defying maneuver that will result in him being destroyed and I delivering a really awesome "One Liner" before I fly back to marry that British Girl who can never go back to regular Brit men after being with a real man!"

Did I manage to get all the Hollywood WWII Cliches into it?

JG52Krupi 10-27-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapper (Post 355028)
Exasctly. By the time the Yanks got into the European Theatre of Operations in 1942 there were barely one or two Luftwaffe squadrons left flown by wet-behind-the-ears rookie pilots. Well, except maybe for New Years Day, 1945............

Riiigggghhhhtttttt

Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.

speculum jockey 10-27-2011 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 355082)
Riiigggghhhhtttttt

Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.

This is true, but the Luftwaffe was also an atrophied force by this time. Pilot turnover was atrocious, and the ratio of allied/axis fighters in the air was pretty one sided as well.

Then again, I don't know why people get into the "which nation's pilots are better" arguments.

IamNotDavid 10-27-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by justme262 (Post 354999)
I would like to see a film about Galland and JV44 rising in a hand full of me262 to meet massed allied bomber formations defended by hundreds of escort fighters. There is a tragic courage to these elite pilots defending their country, facing impossible odds while also flying the most advanced jets and with such high level of experience and skill.

Good luck trying to market a movie portraying Germans in WW2 as heroic underdogs!

trumps 10-27-2011 02:38 PM

Good one Speculum J,That was solid gold mate, spot on ;)
The closest I can come up with as a reasonable modern WWII hollywood
movie is probably Memphis bell!

Cheers
Craig

6S.Manu 10-27-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 355080)
:cool:"Hey you useless Brits, I'm an American and I'm going to show you cowards how to really shoot down Nazi planes! Boooyah! That's my 50th kill this week! Oh, lost another lame Brit wingman. Good thing I brought my American Made P-51 D to this battle that takes place Summer-Fall 1940. Oh did I mention that I happen to also fire explosive rounds from this? It's a special top-secret round that improves movie cinematics. Oh no! We're up against an SS wing of ME-262's They specifically target Jewish pilots. . . I'm 1/2 Jewish! Better get in an 1 on 1 battle with the head SS pilot. At the end I'll appear to be just about to lose, and when he dives to deliver his death-blow on my damaged P-51 I'll do some manner of Physics-Defying maneuver that will result in him being destroyed and I delivering a really awesome "One Liner" before I fly back to marry that British Girl who can never go back to regular Brit men after being with a real man!"

:-D

It would be funnier if it was not true...

bongodriver 10-27-2011 02:56 PM

I found it very funny and very true...

ATAG_Snapper 10-27-2011 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 355082)
Riiigggghhhhtttttt

Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.

Not a chance, Krupi. They all died in the Battle of Britain. Apparently. ;)

There's all kinds of stuff I never knew that I'm just learning now on this forum! :)

EDIT: It pays to check other threads here. From what I can deduce, surviving Luftwaffe veteran airmen were no doubt crushed by a rash of toppling locomotives caused by those pesky strafing P-47's and Tyffies!

speculum jockey 10-27-2011 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumps (Post 355103)
Good one Speculum J,That was solid gold mate, spot on ;)
The closest I can come up with as a reasonable modern WWII hollywood
movie is probably Memphis bell!

Cheers
Craig

Yup, that's a good example. The only way I can think of that being blown out of proportion "Hollywood Style" would be to have the gunners shooting down dozens of 109's. Then again they had a pretty tight budget that didn't leave much for superfluous special effects.

GOA_Potenz 10-27-2011 05:55 PM

Is just a movie to entertain people, just that, worst than this movie are the dogfights series by history channel , self called documentary channel


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