Tested here... it can be placebo effect or coincidence, but on black death, keeping the FSAA dll, i'm getting about 10fps, didn't do a "scientific" equal view angles test, but on explosions, groups of planes, etc i've got a noticeable increase in performance (sometimes it "locked" on 60fps for some time, absolutely sure that it never happended before on black death). But, as i said, it can be a coincidence.

Edit: didn't see LoBiSoMeM post... now this i call coincidence.

The best tool is attacking a formation of +10 He111 in the same mission I fly in regular basis testing CloD performance, with recorded tracks and with all "stutter points" marked.

You assume people are idiot. We aren't. Test it yourself or just shut up. I have LOTS of videos in YouTube - Black Death too. Tomorrow I'll upload the retesting of this track with this update. I run it here and my" eyeballs" saw much more fluid FPS in HIGHER settings...

But you are the "FMs expert". You are a science man, sorry if my not-double blind study can't change your mind. My fault! :cool:

Our eyeballs can see +10 FPS and less stutters changes... We are almost X-Men! :grin:

Some "scientific testing":

[youtube]xK3vwlBdOdA[/youtube]

In this custom mission, I ALWAYS had noticeable FPS drop when engaging large bomber formations. Now, after Steam update, you can see for yourselfs and compare with all other videos recorded over Dover in my YT channel. And this video up I record with old version of FRAPS and not in a reorded track, but during flight, and with all settings - but forest and Land Detail, on highest. No major FPS drop/stutters - even with view change and in really stressfull situations. Big gain!

Roger.. so no formal let alone repeatable or measurable test method.. Got it!

On a related note, I noticed that you keep avoiding answering the following items I brought up, i.e.

1) The patch did not change the version number of the game.
2) Human senses are easily fooled.
3) You have no before and after tests that show the increase.
4) You have not used any tools other than your eyes to measure the increase.

Is that because you see the logic in what I am saying and realize that any attempt on your part to try and explain them away will only show everyone how weak your argument is? Or is it something else?

I never had maximum 60 FPS in The Black Death track, in the settings I used t use to test. Just like SacaSoh.

Now I achieve this maximum FPS with all settings up, besides trees and Land Detail, that I keep in low/medium, and AA disabled ingame. Even SSAO I turn on. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY TEXTURE STREAMING STUTTER IN QUICKMISSION OVER LONDON, EVEN WITH TEXTURES IN "ORIGINAL" AND BUILDINGS IN "UNLIMITED"! THAT'S NEVER HAPPENS BEFORE!

It's something that I can test and provide some "numbers": 60 and ZERO! I'm not trying to argument with you, you are very limited but believe that are the savior of logic, typical behaviour of people with emotional problems. I want that you be happy. Good luck in your journey!

If people can test some perfromance increase - or not - will be nice!

Well Im sorry if pointing out humans make for terable test and measurment equipment..

Again, I wish I was wrong!

Because in my line of work I could save millions of dollars per project by getting rid of all the test and measurment equimpent we use here at WSMR if all I had to do was stick a 'guy' out in the field and told him to watch the F22 from HOLOMAN AFB flying by be able to tell me post test what his altitdue and speed was at every milisecond during the 20min test. Or what distance the T72 tank was from the BMP as the first rocket hit the lead vehical in the convoy. Yes I wish we had such XMEN.. But sadly we don't.

Now clearly you and I don't agree

Thats fine! No sence in you getting so upset! Like I said, I hope I am wrong. My only point is your 'eyes' along with your 'wanting to see' attitude is not something most people in my line of work would consider TEST worthy.

I noticed that you keep avoiding answering the following items I brought up, i.e.

1) The patch did not change the version number of the game.
2) Human senses are easily fooled.
3) You have not used any tools other than your eyes to measure the increase.

Well its late.. Im off to bed

Again, sorry if I upset you!

In your "line of work" you don't know what 20MB of code can do? That's explain a lot of things... Well, I'm glad that we are talking about 109s, Spits, Hurricanes, and not F22s... In WWII we use a lot our eyeballs to measure things, even the feeling of FMs... :cool:

1) The patch did not change the version number of the game. - Irrelevant. It changes .DLL files and .SFS files;
2) Human senses are easily fooled. - Yes, but human senses can detect noticeable stutters in gameplay;
3) You have no before and after tests that show the increase. - Yes, I have; 60FPS in BD track and zero texture streming stutters in London mission;
4) You have not used any tools other than your eyes to measure the increase. Yes, I had - internal FPS counter of CloD.

Happy ignore list to you. You even can't do some testing yourself, just is some guy frustrated in life trying to stand for a point in some internet forum. Really sad.

To normal people: First SP mission in Allies Campaign, all in Very High, except trees and Land Detail:

[youtube]CxjXFR7ef80[/youtube]

Believe it... or not! And with FXAA enabled... 1680x1050... No tricks!

Lobisomem: No need to call names just because some people don't agree with you. This is not a crusade to convince each other, it's fine for each one of us to have their own opinion.

Ace: He answered your questions pretty well. The black death track and in-game FPS counter are good enough repeatable tests.

Custom missions are even better though, because the track playback feature is sometimes a bit bugged, not to mention that the black death benchmark track used by most is from a version several patches ago and not the best in terms of compatibility.

It's far better to have a single custom mission as a benchmark that you will fly in the exact same way each time, because it takes into account all of the patch changes up to that point. Having enabled the in-game FPS counter, getting the average and minimums at the end of the run is as good a benchmark as any for this time.

When the track playback is fixed then it will be possible to use a fixed track as a standard benchmark tool between patches, but for now it's easier and more accurate to enable the FPS counter and just reenact the scenarios that you know give you performance problems.

For example, i get 25-60 FPS depending on terrain. The only place get lower than 25 FPS is when skimming the rooftops over London at very low altitude. The only thing i need to do to test this patch is start the London sightseeing tour from the QMB, enable the FPS counter and once the mission starts drop down to the deck and see what kind of numbers it displays.

There are many repeatable tests and not everyone uses the same track/mission, especially if there are quicker ways to get your PC in a stressful situation than having to sit through the entire track.