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Babi 04-22-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gollum (Post 270648)
scratch that. Even at low altitudes this happens. It seems to be directly associated with ATA. Whenever I dont have the throttle pinned to max I get violent shaking. More and more with decrease in throttle. I've no Idea whats going on. Even with throttle pinned I get minor shaking. Again this is as soon as I load into quick mission so It cant be from prior mistakes and engine wear.

it's been reported by many players... it'a probably a bug, and as you said its strange because the lower the manifold pressure, the worst the shaking. so it can happen both at high altitude (pressure drops) or when not going at full throttle. hope they fix it soon because right now its a bit of a pain in the arse for 109 CEM flyers.

Tymi 04-22-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Babi (Post 270894)
it's been reported by many players... it'a probably a bug, and as you said its strange because the lower the manifold pressure, the worst the shaking. so it can happen both at high altitude (pressure drops) or when not going at full throttle. hope they fix it soon because right now its a bit of a pain in the arse for 109 CEM flyers.

The bug affects all the planes :( But the devs are aware of it and i hope we'll see a fix in the next patch! (beta should be out any minute now)

Babi 04-22-2011 08:39 PM

Tested rhe beta patch. its still there for me. :(

Tymi 04-22-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Babi (Post 271046)
Tested rhe beta patch. its still there for me. :(

Yep, same here :( I guess the bug wasn't high priority after all :(

Blackdog_kt 04-22-2011 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Babi (Post 270466)
err.. no.

Can't say for the real thing, but in the game you have fully adjustable water radiator, with a mechanism similar to the flaps deployment. there are three "states":

-neutral, in which the radiator doesnt move (the radiator slider on the hud stays in the middle)

-opening, the radiator gradually opens up, but you have to keep the "open radiator" key pressed (the radiator slider on the hud is on the top)

-closing, the radiator gradually closes, but you have to keep the "close radiator" key pressed (the radiator slider on the hud is on the bottom)


This. It's easily confirmed if you go to an external view and watch them work while you press the appropriate commands.

The confusion comes from the fact that the HUD displays the state of the control, not the state of the water radiators, so that for example the HUD slider stays centered whenever you are not giving any radiator commands because it's in a neutral state. If you press the "open water rads" key the slider indicates the top position for as long as you keep opening them, similar when closing them, but that's only an indication of whether you are applying changes to the rads, not how open they actually are.

To gauge their actual position look at your wings, there are moveable pin indicators that extend and retract into the wings.


As for the engine shaking, it's something to do with the auto-mixture mechanisms. They are bugged not just in the 109 but in most other aircraft too (i've seen it happen in a Hurricane and in the 110 and i heard others say it also happens with the Spitfire), they run a bit too rich and that's why the engines run rough at high altitude. It's a known, reported bug and we're waiting for a fix.

As for the mixture don't touch it mid-flight in the 109, it's only got two positions: auto and cut-off.

I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.

MadBlaster 04-22-2011 10:19 PM

the 109 doesn't have a carburetor, nor a manually adjusted mixture control. the game came with a manual. I learned read in preschool.:rolleyes:

ga_332 04-23-2011 04:45 PM

Big boys do not read manuals its probely the last thing we do, you should know that MadBlaster ;)

ga_332 04-23-2011 11:19 PM

Som more questions to you Gents regarding the 109 ;)

- Flaps have no indication 20,30% etc. you hav to mesure it Visualy...
- Combat flaps for 109 how much should you use, and whats the adventage for it.....
- How do you mesure bullets left in gun/Canon?
- Super Charger what is this? and when should you use it?
- Average speed for 109 is about 400km/h
- Indication on water/oil radiator, difficult to se how much you have open/cloed it
- Do the 109 have mirrors?

Sven 04-24-2011 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ga_332 (Post 271920)
Som more questions to you Gents regarding the 109 ;)

- Flaps have no indication 20,30% etc. you hav to mesure it Visualy...
- Combat flaps for 109 how much should you use, and whats the adventage for it.....
- How do you mesure bullets left in gun/Canon?
- Super Charger what is this? and when should you use it?
- Average speed for 109 is about 400km/h
- Indication on water/oil radiator, difficult to se how much you have open/cloed it
- Do the 109 have mirrors?

Hello,

- Yes it was measured visually, since it was never really used in actual front situations, for example they only needed full flaps for landing, they didn't bother with take-off flaps most of the time.
-Combat flaps, well historically they didn't use them a lot but it certainly is possible, a few clicks will provide you with an increased turn rate but you will be sacrificing some speed for it, you shouldnt try outturn anythin in a 109 to be honest ;)
-There's no ammo counter in the Early series I believe, trust your feelings.
-Supercharger, like mixture, is automatic.
-Well FM seems to be a little porked, might link to the mixture problem we have atm.
-I believe there was a small pin on the radiator which would indicate how far it was opened but I don't know much about it, again trust your feelings.
-Mirrors? I believe they were a French invention to observe the war but also used by the other side of the channel.

Hope this helps a bit.

Sauf 04-24-2011 01:07 AM

re ammo counter, its on the lower left hand side off your dash, counter's for cannon rounds and lights for all guns when empty. Radiator indicators are on the wing roots, bit difficult to see as they are close to cockpit.


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