So good to see the spit FM come closer to reality AT LAST ! Now they'll actually have to learn the basics of flying an aircraft and not a UFO !

I find your attitudes offensive and bigoted.

Some of us have no agenda other than 'getting it right'.

I was there supporting the removal of the Fw190 bar, I requested the MG151/20 loadout for the late 109s many years ago. I also posted recently to get the cockpit view on stock Spitfire Mk Vc's corrected because it currently gives too good a view for deflection shooting.

Your partisanship (and that of others) shows narrow mindedness and is unhelpful to the community as it promotes bickering and marginalises genuine issues by relegating them to Luftwhiner/Sissyfire trash.

So instead of smugly throwing trenchant comments about, how's about you read my above post - particularly regarding the fact that the current aileron trim modelling is questionable - test it by seeing if any other a/c in game suffers a similar problem, then go find some relevent sources to support your findings and make an educated opinion?

My guess is you probably won't.

O.K., been trying the other variants and can live with them so decided to do a wee bit of research on the Seafire L Mk3 (which seems to be underpowered compared to 4.09). It had a Merlin 55 series engine so will do a bit more reading.

I came across this whilst doing a bit of research........can I have one of these instead T.D.? (purely for MP......:grin:)


German Daimler Benz powered Spitfire VB

In November 1942 a Spitfire VB EN830 NX-X of 131 Squadron made a forced landing in a turnip field at Dielament Manor, Trinity, Jersey, under German occupation at the time. This aircraft was repairable and started being test flown in German markings and colours at the Luftwaffe research facilities at Rechlin. There it was proposed that the Spitfire's Merlin engine should be replaced by a Daimler-Benz DB 605A inverted Vee-12 engine; the Spitfire was sent to Echterdingen, south of Stuttgart, where Daimler-Benz operated a flight testing division.[97]

When the Merlin engine was removed it was discovered that the fuselage cross section was virtually identical to that of the engine nacelle of a Messerschmitt Bf-110G. Consequently a new engine support structure was built onto the Spitfire's fuselage and the DB 605 engine and cowling panels added. A propeller unit and supercharger air intake from a Bf 109 G completed the installation.[97]

Other changes made were to replace the Spitfire instruments with German types, and to change the 12-volt electrical system to the German 24-volt type. In this form the Daimler-Benz Spitfire started flying in early 1944. It was popular with German pilots and was flown regularly until destroyed in a USAAF bombing raid on 14 August 1944.[97][98]

Yes, the trim is the wierd thing about these new spits. No joke here.

Anyway I'm starting to refly them since 4.10 has given IL2 a new life (wonderful patch).

I'm really curious to see the CoD's Spits.

@Fenrir: are you Fenrir of the Black Dragons? How are you? Where does your squad fly in these days?

Manu, as a Lufty flyer I respect, can you see the issue here with the ailerons?

It also seems to get worse with the more powerful spits, which is counter intuitive; surely, more power = more torque = LEFT wing drop, not right as with the 4.10 spits.

It's been a long time since those halcyon days on Spits V 109s buddy, I hope you are well. :grin:

I'm now a DangerDog, and very well thanks mate. The Black Dragons fell by the wayside after an enforced hiatus, spend most of my time mainly online co-oping with the squad and a very merry, fun loving bunch they are! You still fly Spits V 109s? 4.10 or modded?

Bit over the top TBH and best disregarded, we are talking about the changes in the patch regards the Spits FM, nothing to do with flying skills.........

Nice to see you!

Yes I see the problem and I hope TD can fix it: it's nice to fly against right airplanes (not uber / not nerfed). But anyway it's nice to fly against good pilots like you!

I don't fly anymore in public dogfight servers, usually some of my teammates (the new generation) fly in the BoB server. However we are very active on SEOW: it would be nice if you guys could join the SEOW squadrons (even if it wouldn't be good for the Axis side :-D )

SEOW was the main reason i joined the Dogz! Alas i've never gotten into one yet, but I know there's a history within the squad so i'll rattle some bushes at the squad forums and see what falls out! ;)

You might be seeing me very soon old friend! Stay well and my regards to the rest of your squad!

***thread hijack over***

Lol, sorry!

Thought I'd post a quick note to remind folks - this is not in fact the first large change to any official Spit FM.

Remember 3.04 to 4.01?

I'm sure you old timers do. Not taking a side here. The "feel" of the thread is similar though.

S!

Gunny

Is there any other change in the spits FM apart from the new wing-drop torque thing? I almost never fly red.

Thinking about FM changes in the past: Do any of you remember these "RC" patches? Everyone was happy with red and blue planes back then. Unfortunately they changed it and whining went on...