A casual reader of this thread would notice a complete absence of any scientific evidence in support of the Man Made theory. Not one single number or graph offered for review. I believe that many a view point was formed from watching a simple Hollywood film of Al Gore's. You have seen his house, does he appear to care about the environment, or is it his bank account's bottom line. Anyone participating here needs to expand their knowledge, and keep an open view. :grin:

Some people in this thread need to stop shouting at each other and start doing a bit of (very easy) research.

Here's your starter for 10 as they say on University Challenge (a reference for Brits):

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...-study-claims/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...838421366.html

http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm

RedToo.

I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would think that the earth warming up a little bit would be a bad thing. Climatic Optimum anyone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

RedToo.

This is not a forum for scientific debate. It cannot be while it is hijacked by lunatics who argue that Margaret Thatcher is part of a Marxist conspiracy, and while people can write nonsense like "not one single number or graph offered for review", while rejecting the very possibility that any evidence offered by the scientific community might be real.

As for Burt Rutan, I wouldn't want to fly in an aeroplane designed by someone who's expertise was in climatology, so why should I take his opinion on the subject as of any significance? Every so often the denialists dig up a list of 'scientists' or 'famous people' supposedly supporting their position but few or none these people have any expertise in the subject being discussed. If there is to be a debate on the issue, it needs to be conducted within the relevant scientific community, as science, rather than used as a political football by the wilfully ignorant, the pushers of deranged conspiracy theories, and clueless anti-intellectuals incapable of rational debate.

I see also that MadBlaster has openly declared that he is trolling - I look forward to seeing him permanently blocked from the forum.

You are in favour of "desert-like conditions in the Midwestern United States"? Why?

I find it very ironic that the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change UNFCCC lost all credibility. Largely due to Al Gore's self proclaimed, his invention of the internet...Take for example the nation state of India, choosing to do their own research.

I'm not in favour of "desert like conditions in the mid western United States" and I'm not not in favour of "desert like conditions in the mid western United States". When I said the earth warming up a little bit would not may not be a bad thing I meant for the planet. Most species will adapt. Those that don't will become extinct. Some new species will arise. Life will go on. What humans need to do is get out into space. We could be in the asteriod belt now if NASA's budget hadn't primarily been spent on keeping civil servants in jobs. :)

RedToo.

Al Gore never claimed to have 'invented the internet'. Not that it would matter the slightest if he did. This isn't about Al Gore, any more than it is about Burt Rutan. Still, anything to divert us from the facts - which are that the overwhelming consensus amongst the relevant scientific community (the only people qualified to make meaningful statements on the subject) is than anthropogenic climate change is real, and is likely to have significant negative consequences. This is the only fact that matters.

I guess from that statement you openly imply to having mind reading capabilities. Please use your talents and enlighten all of us as to why Margaret Thatcher resigned that same month she made that eloquent speech. Ya know, there's a reason the yield on the 10 yr treasury is now at an all time record low. That kum ba ya crap between countries, doesn't always work out so well. But be sure, it will all get fixed next week!

LOL - Channel 4 is blocked in my country on copywright grounds... I live in England...