Were discussing WWII here, the cherry picking is being done by weirdos who quote the dictionary a lot, so just to be clear, I'm proud of the deeds of my ancestors because some of them were my family, is that enough of a connection for you?

I do not know how did march in Berlin in 1945? :-P

ha! lots of Fremdschämen involved, however

I think that most of the people that have written in this pages do need to read a little more and history not some marvel books or propaganda this in the memory of all, and if I may insist, in memory of the millions of dead of all side even if the Nazis and extreme right parties should dream to fight the next one with even more dead.

Have a fun game :cool:

wow,so much hatred and angry words on this thread now.. :(

I tried to give my contribution,but it's obvious that some minds will never accept to look into history with a truly unbiased attitude.

I understand why many historians don't even bother to spread their conclusions and findings,common people are not ready for harsh reality and prefer living in a pampered state of propaganda ideas.

I personally don't think I will contribute anymore to this conversation unless we all put aside our national pride and look at things objectively.

There is no absolute good or bad as such,it's just a battle of wills.

well perhaps if you didnt have a tag like Sternjaeger you wouldn sound like such a Germanophile, about those angry words.....why haven't you had much to say on Kongo Ottos hatred fueled spume against the british....which I might add he started without the slightest provokation....unbiased....please, not the first time an Italian got sucked in by German propaganda.

p.s. just for the record Stearn....even thought that sounded harsh towards you it's not meant to get to you personally, but all this talk of biased nationalistic propaganda is going both ways.....I'm just not prepared to back down.

Please see the above post Mr 'Unbiased'.

This whole thread is seriously overmodelled, therefore I insist that it should be fixed by the devs in no time!! Also cheating, HOing, vulching and shoulder shooting along with getting a kill using superior E state has been witnessed. That is not all but I am too upset to type anymore! :D

+1

& many thx to have posted this one. I was left myself speechless by some of the above reading.

You know I have seen so many old arguments trotted out on this thread. To all those reading this whether 'biased' or 'unbiased' I highly recommend Stephen Bungay's 'Most Dangerous Enemy' it is almost universally praised and covers much (all I think) of the strategic and tactical topics covered by this thread.

One last thing. I saw a post on here that describes Dowding as incompetent, now he certainly had his faults but they were outweighed 1000 to 1 by his accomplishments. Lord Dowding was and has been judged by history as a leader of rare genius.

Regards Mike