Lixma, kudos to you for applying critical reasoning and logic to this subject. It really should be taught in schools from an early age.

Also props to Oldschool, Luisv, Rattlehead and Dutch for entering the debate with an open mind and calm demeanor. Too often, otherwise good natured debates of this sort get heated when one's long-held beliefs are challenged and I think that's a measure of intelligence, whatever any of us gets out of this by the time it gets locked down. ;)

I'm part of the Illuminati's disinformation bureau.

It's a living.

:cool:

Lol, I guess you have a point there. :)

Lucky you. I'm still at initiate status and not even allowed to stand behind the curtain or perform level 2 anal probes.

I remember an occasion when I was riding a very slow motorcycle down a very dark and winding country 'A' road. (It was the A57- Snake Pass between Sheffield and Glossop for the Brits here). I was pretty tired at the time.

I came around a corner and had to slam on the brakes because a deer had run across the road in front of me.

It shook me up a bit because the deer instantly disappeared. For the rest of the journey I was seeing deer in every reflection from the walls and bushes.

Trouble is, there aren't any deer in that area to my knowledge, so I put it down to tiredness, imagination and the lonely feeling of being on my own on a dark and winding country road.

No doubt other people would have seen something that proved that aliens were already amongst us. ;)

I think it would be safe to say that it really was an alien deer.

You know, since they are generally not around those parts. ;-)

Ahhh, thanks. Yep that would explain it perfectly, cheers.

Do you know where I can find Bob Lazar's e-mail address? Thanks.;-)

Lixma since nothing is real to you I was wondering what your beliefs are when it comes to supernatural beings like say god or the jesus of christianity. Do you think god exists? If so why and what evidence do you have to support your claim??
Do you think jesus was real? If so what evidence or proof do you have to support that?
If you dont take actual eyewitness testimony at face value than certainly you must be an atheist because there is no proof of god or jesus..(mohammed was real but just another goat herder who liked little girls)

O-oh.

Initiate countdown to locking procedure, 10, 9, 8...

"Nothing is real to me?". I don't in all honesty know how you arrived there. But anyway....

I hold no belief either way in the existence of a god. There might be one, there might not. As to the peculiar varieties of god - Zeus, Yaweh, Odin, Xenu...these gods I do not believe exist.

Amongst other things I see them as culturally specific projections; just as a pack of wolves would endow their god with a perfect nose, so too our own people endow their gods with perfect reflections of their own favoured attributes.

I've no idea whether he was or not. I don't believe he was in any way divine, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that there indeed was a real flesh and blood man called Jesus who caused a bit of a stir way back when.

Give it another 2000 years and you will be amazed at who people believe is divine. Probably L. Ron Hubbard or Lady Gaga.