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I wonder how call of duty WAW gets away with having them in game.

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Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 89271)

I wonder how call of duty WAW gets away with having them in game.

Do they? At least the German version is cut afaik.

I suppose they could have them for the UK/US version in IL-2 as well. Maybe they even have them and the demo was just the 'worldwide law compatible version'.

If I could choose between cockpits and swastikas for german planes, I'd take cockpits any day...

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Originally Posted by H Lecter (Post 89281)

I noticed the new preview for map pack 3 had them displayed in huge detail.

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Originally Posted by Danny M NL (Post 89259)

I know that Swastika's were removed from the game because they are illegal to be displayed in public in france and germany, but I believe this rule does not apply when they are placed for historical accuracy, and as long as they are not shown in public.

No, you wrong.
It can't be displayed in all fiction media (game certainly is).
So, we had to remove it even from video-chronicles.

Not so much an dev issue put publicity....

Certainly in the UK getting the product visible around Battle of Britain Day might spur alot of mature gamers to double take...even get a publicity stunt going with a BOB pilot having a quick go with a Hori and a nice big plasma..

just trying to think out of the box because this game seems invisible to many..

as for swatikas...the black cross is fine...if the swatika was there it would be someting else to aim at...(hey "Swatika Nailer" bonus in arcade :) )
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Originally Posted by Danny M NL (Post 89259)

First of all I'd like to say thank you to Anton and the dev team for listening to the community and trying to implement changes suggested to them, not many developers take this much trouble to please the crowd these days;)

My suggestion:

I know that Swastika's were removed from the game because they are illegal to be displayed in public in france and germany, but I believe this rule does not apply when they are placed for historical accuracy, and as long as they are not shown in public. I know this is a sensitive matter, and that it might be a pain in the behind to have them in the game, but it just feels strange seeing a german plane with a black square instead of a swastika on the tail ( I'm all for historical accuracy).

maybe the game can be coded in a way where the game checks the language of the console, and if it's german or french the textures which contain swastikas get swapped for textures without swastikas? ( I am aware of the fact that there are several countries that speak german, and also several countries that speak french, but even if these few countries get left out, the rest of the world can play a historically accurate, uncensored game)
or an option where the player can turn offensive content like swastika's on/off, where the player can decide if swastikas are displayed ingame or swapped for balkenkreuzen.

but this would probably still piss off the german censor board, and will cause a heap of extra work for you guys...

Agggh! I hadn't noticed this but it drives me insane! OK I understand that nobody wants a game that encourages neo-nazis, but come on, this is history and we can't pretend that the history never happened. No offense to people from other countries, but stuff like this makes me thank god the Founders wrote the First Amendment!

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Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 89283)

I noticed the new preview for map pack 3 had them displayed in huge detail.

I thought about that too, but when I looked at some(not all, so I don't know for sure), they seemed to be slightly distorted or in a way where it's techinically not an 'actual' swastika. I've also heard it's because they are turned a couple of degrees to where they wouldn't match up with real ones.

I could be wrong though, as I don't play it.

BTW, let's keep this thread on topic. There is a thread on this subject I believe.

Regardless of the content only scholary and religious material can display the swastika in Germany. Even historic models fall outside of the exemption so you still get these little unlabled "swastika bits" on your decal sheet with your models.
The ones in WaW, like all computer games sold in Germany aren't there anymore. Even the little tiny ones on the badges worn by Germans in games are missing (the badge is still there though).
Here's the entry for WaW on an excellent German version comparison site: (possible NWS)
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schni...php?ID=5975593
Note that the Swastika isn't the only removed image, Adolf Hitler's name and image are banned aswell.

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Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev (Post 89317)

No, you wrong.
It can't be displayed in all fiction media (game certainly is).
So, we had to remove it even from video-chronicles.

Wait, what?! Really.. since when is this? I have played recent video games, example, Call of Duty: World at War, and there's Swastikas all over the place.. nobody got in trouble for that. And as long as I can remember, every WWII game I played, had Swastikas in it.

Please, Anton, don't get the impression that I'm angry, because I'm not.. I just think its stupid if you were forced to take them out because people thought it was inappropriate for the game when its based during WWII and shooting down the Germans.

[Edit]: Sorry, I misunderstood the situation, however, I still have a question, in the copies sold to North America, will there be swastikas in the game? Not really important, just curious.

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Originally Posted by Porcho (Post 89518)

.......in the copies sold to North America, will there be swastikas in the game?

Probably not, just because of the effort involved in making two versions of each skin for each German aircraft.