wait, generating electricity, albeit in as yet insignificant amounts and as inefficient as current tech is, is aesthetically undesirable and shouldn't be done?

our energy needs are astronomical and increasing daily. any way we can meet them should be grabbed with both hands, a good deal of enthusiasm and with a desire to increase energy output. to reduce reliance on finite resources and reduce pollutant output goes hand in hand with that.

Copernicus had no trouble with trolls on teh internet, at least.

+1 A noble cause.


No like I said, the concept is great. I will explain what I ment better. I am an electrician, I look at buildings differently because I was in the construction trade (thanks bankers!) the current PV panals are do not tie in with the fabric of the building that well. In 5 -10 years they will be knackered and will deduct value from your property. You also loose some space from the house for the batteries. The "pioneers" who have them now will suffer in the future. Once they start making an actually roofing material thats also a PV panal, then we are in business! How do the current ones actual fix to the roof? Are there any holes in the roof to support them? - if there are you can bet they sealed the holes with something retarded like mastic or silicone... I wouldn't want a load of holes on my roof sealed with silicone which will degrade with UV... They pay for themselves in 5-10 years depending on who tells you, so how much longer will they last than that? Also these firms that fit the things are mostly on a quick money band wagon (government grants) so I expect the work is not being carried out by Roofers and Electricians but more an adhoc crew proberbly with one sparkie and a load of numpties...

This is what interests me. Why has denial of climate change been turned into
this symbol of rightwing virility? I'm puzzled by this phenomena. Margaret Thatcher was one of the first western leaders to be convinced of the threat but she was a scientist by training. What has happened since?

Laughable debate here though. As has been said, whatever the Ostriches in this thread may think, climate change is here and now.

No one is denying climate change, only the reasons for it.

Then you must be honest with yourself when considering the evidence and the overwhelming level of scientific concensus. The amount you pay for the tax-disc on your motor becomes largely irrelevant.

Not sure how you could claim that:confused:...only a very few simple minds believe in man made climate change, put forth for an easy monetary gain from the foolish people, to the pockets of slicker people...do you understand that the earth has been warmer in the past? Do you not understand that it is the Sun? Do you understand cycle's :grin:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...l20warming.jpg

[whisper]Pssss Slipball, I dont think it has much to do with man at all... Have you been reading what I have written? [/whisper]

Best not to encourage them though:grin:...if they would get off this board, and do a little research. They might sleep better at night...Attention! The Earth has been warmer in the past.:cool:

Central Greenland is obviously very representative. Ask the people of Kiribati about climate change, but you should'nt wait all too long! :rolleyes: