Deja vu?........why?

Has Luthier attempted to make a 3rd party product before?

the only real Deja vu is all the snide whimpering that he seems to attract.

Not without reason.

Maybe so, but the constant whimpering is misdirected, it is clear Luthier is not seeing any of it, it's only the rest of us that get to see it over and over again, utterly pointless.
we all want the product we are paying for, but it seems to me the main goal of the dissatisfied voices is to ruin Luthier and prevent him from ever making the products ever again.

For me bongo, it is very disappointing that most of his promises once made, are totally ignored by him. I love llya but he seems to have a flaw in that area, crap happens and so you then let the people know the why

But he doesn't really make promises, he simply lays out an intended timeline and everyone else turns it into a promise, it's like this weird pre-programmed attitude people have to him, it's not even Luthier that screwed us all over regarding Clod, 1C are to blame for that one, Luthier was simply the lead developer taking his orders from the money men, Team Fusion are proving just how wrong everyone was about Clod, all it needed was time, but time is money and 1C want to make buckets of it for very little investment, now they just slap the il2 label on someone elses recycled products and get them made quick.

That's a shame. I guess few would be too surprised though, but it do feel sorry for the big supporters as it would have been really exciting for them.

On the last dev update it shows evidence that the pledge rewards are being integrated into a database of backers to be merged with profiles at ED's shop site, not quite a failure to keep promises but in true Luthier fashion a change of expected direction with a long silent delay, to make Christmas presents on the back of a Kickstarter project is really not the brightest idea I've heard.
seems to me that the backer rewards will turn up eventually and so will the final product, all we have to be is patient.

it doesn't you are correct, if the Skype issue is causing heartache and deep emotional stress then all I can offer is my deepest sympathy, I am eligible for the Skype time too but can only imagine what it must be like for those of us who need this desperately, ultimately for me the end product is all I am waiting for, a bit of alpha access is a bonus when it comes.

I went to KS for a look see and happily I need to back track on the Skype issue. According to the due date for that particular part of the reward, it seems to be Sept. 2014...so never mind and my apologies :oops:

Hold it not so fast:)...my logic is flawed, Skype was promised(donor just pointed this out to me) for the development stage, Sept. 2014 is the hoped for release date of the game. So the Skype guys should be upset right now!

So Skype could still happen anytime up to September 2014, but yeah I forgot how integral and essential those Skype sessions are to flight sim development, I simply cannot see how this project can succeed now without some chats on Skype, we thought the randomness of the Friday updates was bad......that pales into insignificance compared to the lack of Skype chats, it really leaves a bitter taste in the mouth now, all those screen shots of the development so far were achieved without a single Skype chat involved, can you believe it, the 21st century and no Skype chats, what is worse is that we can't use the Skype chats as another medium for airing our dissatisfaction about the lack of Skype chats.

Certainly good points that you make, but for these people it was important to them at the time of the pledge. Would they have pledged the 1000.00 without the Skype feature being promised?...I don't know, but I can understand their disappointment that there has been no contact

I struggle to feel sorry for anybody who backs a kickstarter for a game simply because they wanted a Skype chat............I believe there are premium rate phone services that offer something similar.

bongo, you stumped up a thousand big ones for this?:o

Good spot Arthur, nope that's just terrible grammar and articulation, I meant to say I'm NOT eligible too (why did I put too?) but can only......yadayada!

a grand......I love flight sims.....but not that much.

Actually I have to respectfully disagree somewhat, I'm a premium founder of the new (or in development) IL-2 BOS only because of the continuing work of the Daidalos Team with IL-2 1946. Had not DT continued on with the work, proving what can be done in the title and the genre, I would not have been interested in purchasing the BOS title in a pre-release state.

So in actuality DT's work is a very good sells promotion for IL-2 BOS.

Breaking news suggests that luthier and RRG have left DCS WW2 development and ED are taking over from here on.

Any "NEW" news?

Bf 109K is going beta tomorrow...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3OoHtf05II

Pardon my ignorance, but is that a simplified start up and take-off procedure? It doesn't look as complicated or difficult as I was expecting.

Hm, I don`t think so... but what did you expect? There are no computers to start up, etc... basically there is not that much more to start than in a car, so why should it be that complicated? Just because the p-51 is more complicated?;)

Could just be that I was expecting to watch a full check-list run-through type of thing, whereas this video was more about just getting the thing going. No big deal.

Hm, I think a detailed manual like the one of the 190 should follow... You have plenty of things to run trough there, I suspect... :)

So how is it all coming along guys?

After all of the argumentation, the taking of sides, the loyalty to one developer versus another, the fights, the arguments, the demands for accuracy?

Who wins out?

Is it DCS, with their fantastic in-cockpit re-creations which fly over a boring and limited modern landscape?

Is it 1C Game Studios, who made us fly over an equally boring landscape of snow for such a long time, with ridiculous flight models which defy the laws of physics and kill a bomber with one burst of machine gun fire?

Is it Cliffs of Dover, which the amateurs have now changed visually beyond recognition from the original release, only to render a fully loaded Heinkel 111 faster than a 100 octane Hurricane?

Maybe one day we enthusiasts will experience a fully realistic representation of combat during the second world war.

But maybe we won't. Because realism does not sell product. Fantasy sells product. The unfortunate people who have to design, develop and sell a product have to gauge what the current customer base wants, based on their respective fantasies in any given market.

The past 15 years have only demonstrated that the customer base itself doesn't know what it wants.

Apart from conclusive evidence of Nazi supremacy, of course.

Welcome back, ATAG_Dutch!

Thanks mate. But it's just plain 'Dutch' these days. I did ask Uther to remove the prefix, but I guess he's too busy.

I wouldn't want to besmirch the reputation of such a superb organisation with my disjointed ramblings......

;)

I'm also glad that you are still around Dutch...the great dream & vision lives on in some of us...:-P


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...psqeq7zlac.png

That is a beautiful screenshot. Thanks Slipball.

Last night, I flew my first flight on the Autumnal map in Stalingrad.

I was gobsmacked by the sunbeams shining through the clouds and illuminating the landscape.

As against that, the bottom of the cloud layer was far too flat. Geometrically flat, but we have to make allowances I suppose. The trees looked artificially planted in straight lines too. But boy, it felt like the old days.

But I guess that they're all just computer games. Warts and all.

Some of us are still trying to do it right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhe-G4rDLFE

Sorry Dutch, above my (no pay) grade! I think you have to ask one of the forum admins to change it. I have asked.

Ok, thanks.