Great idea.

;)


And nearmiss, please, A: learn to read, and B: grow up.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Chivas, thanks for the quotes, and the clarification on the engine/FM thing.

You should read this response from a guy you may have heard of...his name is "nearmiss" (ironic, yes?), and he had this to say about posts like yours:


Ironic, yes? :)

Should we be suprised at the conspiracy theorists? It took them over 40 years to figure out that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy. They will be arguing over BOP for years after BOB has been released.

I thought it took over 40 years to try and convince us the Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, when all the facts say he didn't. But then again i bet you believe man landed on the moon. :grin:

Why have i never seen you or any of the the other badmouthing blitzpigs ingame for the past 8-9 years? is it because people would gang up on you?

The last squad that challenged us lost 50-0 due to our superior tactics and teamwork. I'm sure i could resource the best teamplayer pilots once more, if there is a worthy enemy.

Keep the flames out the forums. You want to put people down, then i suggest you learn who you are attacking or you wont stand a chance.

Shrike
Ex-Founder of NDS, DEY, KSS
Ex- Pilot of US_8TH, BSW, Ku101, RAF33.

BOB SOW is a work in progress that can not be rushed to completion by anxious people. If it were dead, Oleg would step up and say so!...I'm sure that they are doing the very best that they can to get it to market

Yes. High post counts = Low flying skill. That's always an unbreakable rule throughout ubi and here. People really playing games won't have much time hanging around forums. We really need a place for professional players to communicate with each other, like Gotfrag.com

I remember when I first got Il2 1.0 about a century ago. I posted on the Ubi forums. It was common to get singled out by several Blitzpigs and they'd rag the heck out of you. After awhile may posters just wouldn't respond to them.

I didn't play online, but I could sure see a reason people might gang up on them.

A bunch of "smart a$$ know it alls" was their claim to faime.

I dont think SOW is dead, but i have to say if it comes out in 2009 or 10 then it must hold the record for the most time taken to develop a game. We have been led to believe that Oleg and crew have been working flat out on this since 2006, if that is true then its gonna have to sell shed loads to recoup any cash.

I'm not going to respond to the above ridiculous put down.

Personal attacks turn threads into a beligerent poster's battleground.

There is no way I could have ask you to prove it, and you not get off on it.

The way you worded your response there was no recourse, except to call you on it....or let you think you got "me told".

At least Chivas did try to make a decent response, which you certainly didn't.

I appreciate what Chivas did because I had not seen that thread.

Also, there was not mention of whether the renders were from BOB SOW or not. FLight models and damage models are not flight model renderings of the aircraft.

I appreciate all the content from one forum thread.

Proton45 - I pick up on your tone. I don't declare I have any special knowledge or insider anything. I'm a user of the IL2 just like everyone else... except for the elite few who know everything.

The console game means nothing to me.

I probably shouldn't have discussed it, but it does appear to me that resources from BOB SOW were used to develop it.

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One thing that triggers alot of the way I think is in the way the BOB SOW has not been promoted, except for a few words and aircraft images for two+ years.

Then the patch that is never finished. IMO, when people quit... they quit.

I do believe Oleg answered those postings that head this board, but I'm thinking we are just pumped a little information to keep us going for what reason I don't know.

When people plan to sell something they are excited about they are usually very eager to get potential customers excited as well.

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All we expect or look forward to from Oleg may be a thing of the past anyway.

If Putin continues to screw around with Georgia and George we sure as heck won't get a BOB SOW until the end of the next cold war.

Probably the only reason this boards hasn't been shut down is the http doesn't end in ru.

The ice is getting thin guys. If the board does get shut down like Lockon ----

I've enjoyed all of you guys and the community, including some of you that may not be that happy with me.

Arguments are excellent tools for thinkers and I think you'll miss alot in life if you can't tolerate constructive argument.

The first time I'd seen the BOP screenshots and movies with IL-2 Strumovic in the name, that looked remarkably like early BOB screenshots, it would be easy to think the three sims were linked. The developers of both sims deny much envolvment and I have no reason not to believe them. Since both sim were doing high quality moddels of the same terrain location and era they should be remarkably alike.

edit... When the two sims are delivered I would imagine SOW will have far more detail especially at low level, but I really like what BOP has to offer.

Its no wonder Oleg doesn't post any interesting screenshots of SOW. When he does post something like this.....


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...kke/BOBSOW.jpg

It becomes this...


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...5d188ba688.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...4fb4940504.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2574/27880434mk8.jpg

I'm sure SOW will be far more advanced, but you could see where the developers don't want to risk posting anything.

The community berates them for not posting anything and steals it when they do.

Never mind any commerial competeing sims using the ideas.

I have no inside info but I've followed the development of IL-2 and SOW since the beginning on all the related forums as they changed over the years. IL-2 was 7+ years in development and they weren't updating a existing sim at the same time. SOW started development around 2004 but most of the development crew were working on Pacific Fighters in 2005/6, PE-2, IL-2 1946 etc in 2007, not to mention all the free additions. They've only had a full crew working on SOW for the last year or so. If the sim comes out in 2009 or even 2010 it will be rather remarkable to have the next benchmark developed in under 6 years.

Unfortunately do to pressures of having SOW finished they had to pull the full crew into the development, so the 4.09 patch got caught in the middle. It had to happen at some point.


The developers support of the IL-2 series is unprecedented so I really can't understand people berating the developers actions.

have you given much attention the ads for birds of prey?

The name it is being sold under and promoted

IL2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/game/il-2...-prey/overview

Would you say that excludes Oleg? I would NOT think anyone, especially another developer could use IL2 Sturmovik to promote a game.

Anyone reading that name would naturally think Oleg was associated to a large degree with that product.

The name Il2 Sturmovik is unique enough and has enough clout among users it wouldn't be smart NOT to call the BOB SOW--->

IL2 Sturmovik Storms of War: Battle of Britain

Branding is what it is all about, and Oleg has a great brand name IL2 Sturmovik

For new forum members read with interest posts from

Oleg Maddox IL-2/SOW developer
Luthier IL-2 Pacific fighters/ Korean addon to SOW
Crazyivan1970 talks to Oleg on occasion and provides valid information on their projects

some interesting posts from

SaQSon modeller
Foobar modeller



The rest of us are speculating.
Some of our speculations are based on posts from the above group.

All of us want more info. Some of us are willing to wait, others will post outrageous speculations, with nothing to back it up, in the hopes that it will draw more info from the developers.

From what I've seen over the years, any info given by the developer is more detrimental to the cause, than helpfull. Of course I'm not in the above group so read, but ignore this post.

Like I just implied in a recent post, having IL-2 Sturmovik in the title of BOP has confused alot of people. Most people are over that now. The original IL-2 was planned to only have the IL-2 Strumovik flyable, but the sim evolved many times over the years, thanks to the support of the developers. I'm sure if Oleg had a crystal ball he would have given the sim a different name.

I'm not sure the IL-2 Sturmovik name is required for product recognition or fits the discription of the future series.

I'm bored of this forum and all the fighting that goes on.
The only ones who can say for sure what is going on is Oleg or Ilya,and they don't even bother anymore,everything else is either people arguing that SoW is dead (why bother coming here anymore if you believe that?) or people who presume to speak for Oleg or Ilya,and feel the need to repeat the same thing over and over.

Yes its obviously a waste of time repeating the same things over and over. I thought it might help new forum members, even knowing it would irritate some regulars. :)

LOL :grin:

You will never make everyone that reads one of your postings happy.

Happiness is the reader's choice and it's not chosen alot here.

Look dude,

I don't know were you're going with your posts but im sick of them.
You've been given enough evidence that IL2-POB has nothing to do with BOB:SOW, now either you just accept it or simply get lost.. since you don't even seem to trust the developers.

Besides, the IL2 Birds of Prey version is a great move for 1C to get more involved in the console business. Myself and probably everyone on this forum is a hardcore PC gamer but it's a great move and today the console market is neccessary for any developer/publisher.

Even the almighty pc developer ID SOFTWARE and their Code guru John Carmack stated that they've to create console games now to keep up with the market, nonetheless he was sure to point out that "they would still be making PC games even if it wouldn't sell the same , simply because it was the right thing to do" (make PC games).

SoW will be great, it's all flight fans and ww2 worshiper's wet dream an all new engine , new features , sounds in other words another benchmark Sim / Engine.

I think people should admire them for making this a pure PC game since it's not easy today and then accept BOP as an entry to the console market.

People should be glad we don't get a BOP port to the PC, but instead a full featured hardcore flightsim developed by the IL2 team for the >>>>PC<<<<.

I wonder if the similarity of the screen shots from "IL2 BOP" and "SoW BoB" is do to some kind of Ubi photoshop publicity processing? If you compare the "BoP" video clip with the "IL2 1946" DVD video clip of "SoW BoB" they don't really appear that similar...

Funny, I could ask you the same question.

And what does this have to do with the conversation at hand, exactly?

I suggest you follow your own advice.

The only flames I see being propagated here are by those who are merely speculating about the future of SOW, and the release of the 4.09 patch, with no knowledge of what they speak.

I think all the discussion/arguments would be quelled if we did have just a little bit of communication from Oleg/crew. For me it wouldn't even have to be screen shots or 3d models it could be just a quick message saying 'making good progress etc', or anything that shows work is in progress. I know its not terribly important to all of us here but i personally think that it would do wonders for all fans of Oleg if there was just a little bit more feedback. It only takes a minute to make a small post. Alas that is not happening and for what reason i really dont know, it just seems a little strange. I used to be a professional drummer and had a record contract, if the band was away in the studio writing new material we always kept in touch with our fan base and let them know what was happening without giving anything away just to keep them on board and informed. This made good business sense for when product was released we still had a fan base. I cant imagine its much different in the software world.

you get the prize for the newbie teen-post of the month

folks, there is nothing strange about people getting inpatient and restless, even doubting BoB is still going to be released.

we had multiple indications at various times that oleg was back on track and a release date was getting closer. he indicated so himself in this forum and several others, not giving a release date but stating he would give regular updates again, which to me indicated the project was coming together and close to beta stage (having been in alpha since mid 2006). now everything has again gone silent from olegs team, with only a few screenshots in 5 or 6 months (err all of which were aircraft being worked on by 3e party, not olegs crew themselves), and ivan now indicates it will be "sometime later in 2009" so obviously another major delay has occurred since jan/feb 2008.

the least oleg and Co could do is release the final 4.09 patch, they stated themselves it would only take a few hrs for one of their programmers to finalize it, and it is now very obvious we are in for major further delays with BoB. under the circumstances no excuse is valid to further delay that patch imo.

if oleg is continuing to stay ex-communicado with regular updates as he originally stated he would resume, i vote we get our old moderator back, he at least seemed semi involved here and fed us a few crubs every once in a while, and also extinguished false rumors when they were gaining momentum. most of the current worst-case-scenario speculations are because we simply have no information whatsoever, and the idle mind is the devils playground.

the questions and answers post our last moderator did were also great, oleg answered where he could, and skirted around other issues where confidentiality was still important. currently the oleg questions thread is a total mess with unrelated post and has become a garbled thread of leg-humper posts, side issues, and contains only a few genuine questions..

Agreed.

While personally I am OK with things, any P.R. move by developers, in any game, is a good thing, as long as it does not compromise developmental security, or violate terms of contractual obligations.

Well I concur with the last two posts by zapatista and El Aurens and I really think it would be a nice thing to release 4.09 official so we can do some proper Slovakia and Besserabia online action.

I ignore kiddies anyway. ;)

Wait wait wait zapatista :) All i said is predicting release in 2010 is a bit far fetched. :D I did not suggest any release dates, but 2008 is out of the question, doesnt take rocket scientist to figure that out. We are 4 months away from the end of the year...

:cool:

And you can't have Evgeny back,as I think he left /got sacked/made redundant/whatever!

Gotta post as Nearmiss has creased me up laughin so much over the last 13 pages.
Sadly I agree with a lot of his statements.

I feel sorry for the Admins/Mods here because you are slightly elevated in your responsibility here, and are expected to have a bit more info than the average Joe as is common on 99% of forums, sadly 1C forums seem to be that final 1%. The "Management" are letting you down guys!, don't blame the public for fishing, its not their fault.
People who have passion for a subject will be excited and hold out hope and re-check forums each day hoping to get another glimpse or increase the excitement with the latest news. I don't think I know any other sim community that has more passion than the Flight Simming Community. Shame on who ever it is that dangles a 109e or a Spitfire in front of our noses like the proverbial carrot, fills us full of tales of advanced physics and interchangeable vehicles. Then doesn't keep the community updated.
What did they really think was going to happen?

There are too many ppl who defend large companies to the eye tooth and these companies have generally started to not care about the long and dedicated fans and just care for the gain of money, sadly they know they wont have to face the flak in the forums cos there will be some ppl who will fight back for them. Guys unless your paid by ppl dont bother fighting for a cause that really isn't bothered if you fight for it, they'll get their money if they are defended or not. If the developers are not loyal enough to fight for the community and what we want i.e. to be kept up-to-date often, then dont fight for them, after all its your money you will be spending on this game if it should ever get released.

I have played and stuck with IL2 series from the early days and enjoyed it very much.
IMHO something is wrong here with SoW BoB.
Granted it takes some serious time to make a game these days but seriously, really, do you only expect the little info we have on nearly 3 years of production? and now the publisher we'd been told about supposedly isn't solid either.
You have to ask yourself this:
If you were to walk into these forums today would you think this game was a go? Probably not, because it doesn't even have its own section now, its only because of hope and wanting it that ppl are still prepared to deny an outcome that is not looking too great.

I personally think it will get released eventually but I dont think its a front-line project anymore, either that or there maybe a possibility that the community might have been misled/misunderstood how far along the road of development it actually is.
But, the only ppl to blame for the misunderstanding should be the PR ppl, they really should pay attention to what ppl feel in here or it could spell disaster for the game, when my friends and I first found out about this game ALL of us were really excited now, I'm the only one left who cares, pre-orders have been withdrawn, some even say they cant be arsed at all.

I have listened to nearmiss here, and in the other forums I have seen him in around the FS community along with other members here too, he's got a lot of passion for flight simming clearly or he wouldn't feel so dejected, maybe its because he can prolly see like others and me also, that this is not Oleg's normal style for things to get this way, he has 99% of the time kept the community up-to-date with other title releases, and the PR for the community with SoW has been below par.
I believe the only way the community is going to find out the truth is to all unite and simply pose the question, "Do you want our money for the SoW sim? if so can we please be kept updated in a regular fashion".
Then at least nearmiss could bury that poor old dead horse for good :)

Well I don't know who you are masked stranger,but that was spot on.

Now,prepare to be flamed and told how wrong you are for even suggesting it! ;)

LoL I actually took out the bit about dont flame me bit cos I thought it would just incite being flamed.

Well its got to be said that Big Pickle has probably hit the nail right on its head.
I have to agree that something just aint right with SOW.

Well if I am wrong then hopefully it will make the PR crew see that the community isn't just whining and that it wants to have the dream of SoW kept alive. The only way to do that is by providing info to keep it alive. But of course only if its actually going to be released.

Perhaps we should all just stop posting in this forum, let the place be deserted for a while and make them post to get our attention. We are all just going around in circles, getting a scrap every 3 or 4 months or so and then rinse and repeat we are left speculating and arguing for another 3 or 4 months.

Everyone here that posts is letting them know they have an audience regardless of the information we are given (or not given); make them work for their audience IMO, they give us some info, they get feedback - we are after all going to be paying for this.

My two cents.

Very true dude

Boy, you guy's are something else...act like men. When it's done its done, stop crying about it

Yes c'mon guys, Men dont need news or updates. Updates are for girls and queers. Lets be men and stay huddled together in the dark.

I'm not crying, I never whine about this sort of thing and in fact have no doubt whatsoever that this game will be released and that it will be awesome.

I agree with "when it's done it's done" whole heartedly, that is my point. There is no point in sitting around in a dead forum arguing about this, what I am saying is wait until we actually get some more information and then give the forum the populating it deserves.

Right now all we do is argue about what little scraps of info we have about a game that has no forum of it's own.

The next time I post it will be after Oleg and or Luthier's post count increases and I will happily enjoy the actual information they pass on instead of this mindless pi$$ing contest about who believes and who doesn't.

Instead of complaining here why not write to the multinational corporation who sucked up most of the SOW development money in a a ludicrous IP lawsuit :)

+2

That was UBI's fault, not Oleg's.

;)

Dude check PM.

I think there is one acknowledgement we can all make, regardless of what we believe about SOW, BOP...

There is something wrong.

Something is just not right with the SOW.

You bet there is something wrong.

Whats wrong is any screenshots posted by the SOW developers can so easily be used against them as seen in pics posted in the UBI forums. People still wonder why there is very little info on SOW.

Well if that is the case, personally i think not, then why doesn't someone from Olegs team come on here and say so. Otherwise your just speculating that this is the problem. The only fact in all this discussion is that the communication from Oleg/Crew is at best poor.

If you think the communication is good, then fine, i think it is very poor. The rest is all bullshit unless it comes from Oleg.

"And now let’s fast forward about 10 years. From a Korean War simulator built on the Storm of War engine by Ilya Shevchenko and Co."

maybe Oleg is also assisting with Ilya's project, granted the feedback from both teams can help to iron out issues with the engine.

I doubt both projects would be cancelled, do you?
Maybe they both will be released around the same time.

i would most likely buy both sims, i quite like jets too.

I don't understand why you don't think so. The community has already stolen a screenshot from SOW and used it in their map making.

Like you there is nothing I'd like more than having more screenshots and info on SOW, but I can understand some of the reasons why not.

#1
Oleg and crew would like to post more (as they have stated) but do not have exclusive rights to disclose as they are under contract to a publisher who holds those rights.

#2
Any screenshot they post can easily be pirated by the community or competitor.

Luthier (ILya) the developer of the Korean project using the SOW BOB engine is currently helping OLegs team finish BOB. You won't see the Korean project out before BOB. Its highly doubtfull that either sim will be cancelled at this point but there is some doubt on any further additions to the SOW engine in regards to piracy making it unprofitable.

Chivas, if someone can steal a screenshot and make a map out of it then Oleg should sign them up cause they can work a lot faster than his lot. At the end of the day anything can be stolen we know this, but i really dont think this is the reason behind the none communication. I dont know what is behind it, but im sure if it was ab piracy thing then Oleg would of said has much.

Stop whining.SoW will be released at the end of 2006 as planned.
Just have a bit of patieence for Gods sake.

Of course you can work alot faster when you are pirating other people work.

There is absolutely no comparison in the amount of work required.

Oleg has stated long ago that Piracy could determine any future addons to the SOW series. Why would anyone spend 7 years developing anything and have someone download it for free in minutes.

I have no idea what all the reasons for the lack of info are but its rather easy to speculate what some of them are.

OK I'm worn out and give up. Enjoy all your negativity.

Chivas, c'mon mate, piracy is not the reason behind the lack of communication here.

WAKE UP - YOU SELL GAMES RIGHT? Let us know if you are still going to resease the game and give us a loose time frame. Example....we are here in production and hope to release in the second half of 09.

Get a web site with a forum and update screen shots and movies every week or so. Generate some buzz and guess what you may sell more games and maybe attract new players. I check this site every few days and everytime ....NOTHING

Lol...

@ Mods/Admins, Do you see? More and more ppl are leaving, its not the fact that ppl want to be rude or be impatient or insult anyone at all. As i said in a previous post, ppl who have passion for flight simming get excited about what SoW has to offer, then nothing happens and all info stops.
Then guess what after almost 3 years, blind faith they are supposed to have in ppl who say dont be impatient, grow up get a life and, oh, the crowning turd in the water pipe.. be a man ! ppl loose that faith in ppl like that because the reality dawns that they know nothing more than the people they are telling to be a man, and the insults are just to try to cover up that fact.

And as piracy goes, not the wisest idea to post a texture grid without atleast right click "save as" being disabled? me thinks not.

I do feel sorry for you admins etc, because you stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one, but I've never seen admins/mods snub a community this way and not even be willing to take the communities plea to the management, I thought that was part of your role to interact between the community and the developers, so ..... guess that they are not talking to you guys either?
I hope you can see that I'm trying to help not only you, but this sim and its community too, by speaking honestly and trying to give some logical advice.

Well im signing out from here, lets be honest there is really no point being on this forum, its not even a SOW forum. There Isn't an SOW forum :) i suppose that says it all. Anyway i hope i have not offended anyone by any of my posts here.

Take care all :):) S!

+1 I'll be back when the time comes.Have fun talking amongst yourselves :)

We all know you won't go. ;)

The most dramatic ending.... :D

Lol...

:lol:

Pretty funny stuff.

Always remember, the ones who really leave never announce their intention to do so.

;)

this is so right but it is also a truth that Ill be playing KOTS and not SOW hehe...not only because i think it will be more fun but because I think SOW would happen in 2012. I can bet with u guys.

I'll be playing them both sir, and in 2009.

Be sure.

There isn't much in the way of moderation on these forums.

If you think there is put up something really bad, and tell everyone that sees it what you're doing.

Then ask them not to report the bad posting. Just wait and see how long it takes for any moderation. LOL

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Oleg should learn one important thing from the AAA site.
There are plenty of competent map builders that would love to tackle IL2/SOW map projects.

If Oleg enlisted a little help no one would hold it against him.

In fact, I think it would endear him more to fans.

There are some darned excellent addons at AAA.

It is a shame to overlook that kind of willing and competent people that want to do things to improve the CFS experience.

Oleg needs to get into the mindset of allowing 3rd party help.

Then he could deal with harder issues that are required at the core programming level

If such were the case, there is no doubt there would already be a released SOW.

That old stinking thinking about "NO one can do it better than I and my people" has been shown to be bunk.

We only have one map available with IL2 "Slovakia" that equals anything available at AAA.

The funny part is Slovakin map can't be used ONLINE on IL2 legitimized servers as the 4.09 still isn't finished.

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There is something wrong.

Do we have to smell the dead horse to know it's dead

Nearmiss you make a good point. Even if the 3rd party modders only received just exclusive credit shown in the sim I'm sure some would be happy and proud of their work for all to see. Think of the time and money Oleg could save as well as what you mentioned, more endearment within the eyes of the community and might even restore many fans faith. Still have faith that the sim will be finished but I'll admit it gets hard at times.

PM again.

I ask myself: Would Oleg laugh about this thread or cry?
Cry, because the users don't read his answers and
laugh because of the stupidity of this thread

hmmm maybe he doesn't read this thread

nearmiss, you're STILL here?


:grin:


Anyway, just picking up one point from your post:

"Oleg should learn one important thing from the AAA site."

He did.

Infact he did that several years ago, even before AAA was born.

Infact that is why BoB will be partially open structured. ;)


But "The funny part" is, that the maps in 4.09 ARE 3rd Party and they're still not finished. ;)

On april 22. Jurinko said "Maps are ready for final release for more than two months. I asked Oleg at least two times wen the final version will be released. AFAIK we all are waiting for some programmer to put it together."
And later, in another thread: "AFAIK it takes maybe one afternoon to compile all the map stuff into 4.09 so the time exactly can not be the issue"
I suppose noone at Maddox Games has the time to implement them into the final 4.09 patch.

Skarphol

Nobody has the time indeed.

But do you have a link to that statement?

AFAIK he stated that HIS part of the job was done. After all, that was barely 4 month after the release of 4.09m beta and there were still problems reported with screenshots and all, before the UBI-Forums were cleaned up. And in the ORR there were several statements, that the maps had to be finetuned, to be able to run them on low-end systems, too, just as Oleg had put the standard on all maps.

Yes;
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...?t=3614&page=2 for the first one, and
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=3153 for the second one.

Skarphol

But both are only related to the versions of the Slovakia map. Do you have similar statements for the other maps, too?

No, and I haven't searched either. According to Jurinko they are waiting for a programmer to put it all together. Don't you think that Jurinko would have been told if there was another reason for not implementing his finished maps into 4.09? It seems very clear to me that they are not going to work on finalising 4.09 until they have reached a certain stage in development of SOW. Until then there is no time or programmers available to IL-2. Fair enough. Working on 4.09 is work that doesn't create any income.

The lack of communication is still the weird thing here. It seems from Olegs earlier posts on this forum that he has intention of keeping in touch with the community. But the communication is turning for the worse. If he pops in and says "Hello" then everybody cheers. Luthiers post from Olegs home on june 6th ( http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ht=Ilya&page=4 ) was very welcome. Not much news, but a look into how things are going. I really would like a few more of those posts.

Skarphol

Were you born in a bunker?

I mean, you can't start involving random people into your projects and company's. Seriously would you start hiring random people if you were running a business.

Just some simple factors:

# You can't hire random people across the world
# You need to know them , know their skill , know their dedication
# You need serious communication
# You need them to live were you run your company
# Risk of leeks, security reasons etc etc ffs


This is just a few arguments but good enough to not hire random people for serious projects within company's. Let's not forget about the fact that the game industry is a billion business and is nothing you play around with like mods.. Serious amount of money and effort is put into this.

A good example of third party stuff is BoB goes Railway

Seriously, if you were Oleg would you read this thread ?

I am sure he has far better things to do.

See thats where the problem lays, damn you guys think this sim is gonna blow the world away? how is it gonna meet any expectations of the community if the man himself isnt even asking the community what they expect.

And i think nearmiss's point is not what he wrote but the Actual words he wrote like AAA IL2 mods etc etc, these are supposed to be taboo'd words in here lol, everytime some uses those words or #Quotes nearmiss you are making his point clearer that, moderation or Admin in this forum is non existant. Hence why ppl are being insulted for there views.

I mean come one, seriously this debate could be ended with-in a week maybe. All the mods have to do is put a bit of pressure on the management to say throw us a bone, but thats not gonna happen cos they know they wont get a reply or even an answer themselves.

Go on guys prove all the peeps in here wrong about SoW, you all seem to say you know way more about SoW and have 110% faith, share the faith without becoming martyrs.

I too think that taking 5 minutes every month to write 2 or 3 lines in this forum, even without replying to all of our requests / questions would be good.

Last time he just bothered to give a life sign just because the community was all upset looking at this BoP video that came and looked soo much like BoB. Without this, I'm sure he wouldn't have even put a line since march.

He could also delegate this power of reply to somebody in his team if he dislike doing it by himself.

5 minutes a month can't be counted as "lost time for SoW development", especially when it's just to calm down a bit the eagerness of his fans.

WHy does he write : "I will give regular updates" then ? Or is for him regular meaning one post every 4 - 6 months ?

BigPickle and Octoberfest, you are either not getting it or just dont want to get use to idea that THIS IS PUBLISHERS job to do all THAT. And Pickle, i got reality check for you... game development is whole alot more then listening to what you want.


And guys...please, when you talk, talk from YOUR point of view and dont represent the community. It happens very often lately, some people, for some reason think that they are appointed to speak as a whole community.

1.I don't know who the publisher is,so I can't ask them for updates can I?

2.Oleg said he would give regular updates,did he say that without knowing it was the publishers job?

I'm not even asking for regular updates ! Just a sign of life.... Like, : Hello, this is Oleg, and the work is progressing here. I can't tell you, but it will look good ! " Or something like that. Plus about me speaking for the community... If I start a poll in this forum with the following questions :

Would you like to get regular updates ?

"Yes, I would greatly appreciate that Oleg give us a proof of life regularly as promised."

Or

"No, I prefer beeing kept in the dark."

What would be the reply ? I bet I know it.

Who's the publisher now ?

All this speculation and demanding information is just insane. Why don't people just let the development team get on with what they're best at - developing what is sure to be a very complexly coded sim? It comes as no surprise that they're not paying heed to the clamouring mob.

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This forum is sadly turning into UbiZoo MKII with paranoid and uninformed rantings by a bunch of drama queens.

I agree,people should not post acting like they speak for Oleg.

Get a hold of yourself.

It's gonna meet the expectations alright, first of their trying to make a new benchmark sim/engine which means that it will last after it's been released.
(This means that other titles can be released on the same engine, like the Korean War Sim or maybe modern combat)

Making this takes time, they've already said that the development of IL2 took about 4 years, and look we still play it.. and yes it's STILL the best combat flight simulator ever released.

*Il2 had very very impressive damage models, even back in the days and I've to say Sturmovik was actually way more ahead than a lot of other games when it came down to technology (by the time of release).*

I am sure they've listened a`lot to the community and besides, things will be improved such as a`lot more realism, damage physics , weather , graphics , aerodynamics etc etc.

I guess community features that could be wished for is things like, Dedicated Servers and support for today's type of on line requirements but im sure Oleg and his team already know this.

When it comes down to planes, and stuff like aerial realism then there's really no point in asking him for features.. he and his team will know alot more about historical aircrafts than most of you here ever will.

IMO...its about a feeling of "power and influence". A lot of people who are asking for up-dates are doing so just because its difficult (bored people looking for a challenge)...they are looking for an angle that "works". And even if they get an answer they will just bitch about what they hear... "I don't believe this..." and "why do they say that?" Just look at the record...

When people have no information, it's natural they speculate..... And imagination and rumors is really easy to start or to follow. When no official news comes or there's not even any denial or confirmation about imortant things such as a distributor for western countries.

Nice deflection... I don't think that that's what is happening here.

Yes I'm quite proud of that one! :)

Actually I do think that is what is happening here to an extent.There are a bunch of people asking for info about SoW,and a bunch of people acting as though they know whats going on.The only ones that do are Oleg and Ilya.I agree wholeheartedly with Ivans comment about using the royal 'we' when posting,and I think everyone should use 'I' on both sides.
I don't know whats going on,and neither do they.Look at this forum called 'IL2-Sturmovik'.
1C do not even have a SoW forum!
Now after all this time of 'ubi won't let us post updates' news breaks that ubi are probably not even the publisher!

Ok, seriously, I had hoped that my points of view would be taken seriously but hey so what, I think that you will misunderstand any points try that I make cos you are blinded by a Mort-Equus-caballus and its flagellation.

What perhaps you should try is not to Disambiguation the situation.

So long fellas, take care you all, see you on the darkside.

You are wrong there on that point, he has read all the request from the community, and has replied to the better questions/suggestions. He is also a pilot, and knows better than most of us what is needed for completion of a sim dealing with that historic period:)