Yeah, I know, thats why BoS is not going to have my money.

Crappy code and limited budget distroyed this Sim...had nothing to do with hate.

It was a combination of factors that caused the end. As in most plane crashes, there is seldom one cause.

But the venom that was spouted by a number of posters on this forum went above and beyond the call of duty.

It was as if Cliffs of Dover had attempted to ravish their mothers...

If I was a developer, there's no way after this experience that I would create a Forum. I would use tried and trusted Beta testers instead.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

I am sure they will be I tears all the way to the bank over that....

Bliss, how is the modding going? tried to have a look in the ATAG forum but it seems to have vanished.

Its getting better everyday.

Those forums aren't public btw ;)

We do have a public discussion section to bring up your concerns/what you want to see fixed 1st.

agreed.

Don´t worry, me neither.

It does, along with a couple of other planes.

It's obvious you've not spend much time with ROF lately.

for only one step above arcade?







or mine...

A link to the thread would help this busy guy :)

And what if it is good...what then? im not saying it defiantly will be good, i have some worries too, but just what if it really good?

and what if it is still one step above arcade?? all indicators thus far are indicating that is exactly where it will end up... (complete with the dodgy FSX distorted external view FoV ;) )

Why then there would be an extra fee :lol:

Its fine and reasonable to have concerns, I know I do.

But to be bitter if it turns out to be great is just plain stupid.

At the end of the day i like flight sims, otherwise i wouldn't be posting here.....

you'ds have to define 'great' though... as some fanbois (of any genre) think a 15 fps slideshow, that is their (pick one, any one) game, is great

yeah that was the attitude i was referring to

my english is not good enough i meant:

this has been a failure FOR us all

do you imagine no more sims?

in fact its odd they didnt vanish after the microsoft failure

Actually that is a good indicator of a strong and versatile engine...built for some longevity as hardware advance in near future.

lol yes, so they say (and FSX did :) )

i noticed pay per play game can be run in any system while retail needs high end pcs

as a matter of fact when i see the loading screen takes so long i visualize just actually running a back counter underneath which is set on higher the older your system ;)

Good observation and deduction...and I think Steam was doing that in the early days of the release

yeah scarry stuff i could be right about a conspiracy, ponder this:

why games dont offer to chop off graphic stuff till you can run a brand new game in a 10 year old system at 60 fps?

software and hardware industry are in collusion

Because is not that simple. You can´t chop off graphics without made graphics and tech for that chopping. Games would need x4 working time and cost x4 if devs prepare all the games for that.

well apraently many people say the fps improvement in clod was by chopping off things

how much people spent on clod on software and how much on hardware

hell soon someone will realize and offer games for free , anohter kind of pay per win

[Mod Edit] No.

Oh raaaid....

You are really fond of using all inclusive terminology...

"the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL"

I didn't do nuffink! Just sat here.... enjoying a cigarette... twiddling my thumbs... nothing to do with me. :D

You're doing ATAG proud Bliss. Keep going.

The game at release was rubbish. It failed solely for that reason as they had all of the income they were likely to get early on (games always reducing in price and after 20 months it would only be on sale for peanuts anyway).

They had to spend too long fixing it to make a sequel to bring in more money. 20 months to get to the stage we're at now which is really a beta. They got exactly what they deserved.

What is more amusing is that the CLOD fanboys have been proven wrong but now blame the critics for the game failing - must make them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

This may be a gross generalisation so apologies to anyone it doesn't apply to, but I'm interested how the CLOD fanboys have morphed into IL2:BOS haters. Interesting, no?

Hood

I never bought ROF solely based on the posts of people, so you should assume that also happen here as well. It did more harm to the game than any other factor.

Hood,

What I find amusing is all the people coming out of the wood work to promote and constantly talk about BoS on this, the clod forum, when they never had anything good to say about clod. Many people posting now are posting more in this forum in the last couple weeks than they have the entire time clod was out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their agenda or what appears to be yours.

I bought ROF the day it was released and suffered through many more horrendous problems than I ever did with cliffs. People always like to compare a game that's been out for years compares to one at release. Clod even in its 1.5 year mark blows ROF away on almost every category that's important to me in a sim. People have only just begun to figure out all what is possible, especially with the coding.

Also, this isn't a popularity contest. I don't understand why people always feel the need to think someone's opinions is those of an entire group. My opinions are based on my experience which is exactly why you'll find that many players that started with ROF are no longer playing it. It runs great, looks decent, and now has many aircraft. But if the sim is never intended to simulate the war around the reasons the planes are there in the 1st place, I like many il2 fans, will lose interest quickly. When I see any of this possible with ROF, I'll believe their BoS might be anything more than just a redskinned ROF.

Given they have a year to completely make a WWII sim from scratch, one would expect the game engine will be almost identical (which the Devs already stated). It's not about the terms people like yourself like to label people, its about what people like myself want to see. If you think I'm gonna spend another $300 for the empty limited world of the ROF engine, I'm not.

If its free, ill download it and take one like at the mission builder and if there's only 30 objects in it (compared to 1000's in IL2) without the ability to place then where ever you want, without the ability to code, without the ability to populate a map with more than 300 static objects, etc, I will uninstall it. People are allowed to have opinions. Mine just so happen to be supported with facts.

Bliss,

that's all well and good. I bought ROF on release also but have only played it in the last 6 months or so. Mainly because it was initially unplayable but then for personal reasons.

I also bought the CLOD collectors edition by pre-order but have only played it properly in the last two months because every time I have tried it before it has been dire.

I don't have an agenda, just opinions. These are that CLOD had so much promise but it ended up being half-baked. ROF started off rubbish but is now a good game in its own right. It isn't perfect for various reasons.

My opinion about BoS is that we won't really know what we'll get until we get it. Any comparisons to any other game is pointless and on that basis your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts.

Coming back to the OP Raaid's jumping on the bandwagon of blaming the critics is funny.

Hood

Edit: You cannot compare any game to IL2, a game with continued official and mod development for 12 years.

Hood, I'd love to know your system spec's :grin:

From memory as it was bought for CLODs release and that was 20
months ago.

I7 3.06 oc to 4.50
Sabertooth mobo
6gb über RAM
Asus Xonar D2X sound card
120gb SSD
1tb 2nd drive
Gigabyte 580GTX 3Gb Black Edition - might be Gainward and can't check as I'm away from home at the mo.
Dell 24" Ultrasharp monitor.
Win 7 64
Corsair modular PSU 1000w

The graphics card was an upgrade about a year ago to try and get CLOD playable at more than cartoon graphics.

Dont forget that there's more to a games playability and enjoyability than fps alone.

Hood

^
very doable

A Lot of RoF folks did their best to discredit Clod and still do. Sadly they a lot of they ae the people with **** computers, which sadly we have here as well. The devs had to downgrade this sim to work on **** pc,s instead of fixing it to work on new high end pc,s. It does not hold well for the future of flight sims if we keep lowering the developement of hardware/software to suit the few crap
pc owners who play these games

unfortunately, the noisy minority (by their sheer harrasment factor, and use of plants/ sock-puppets) appear to be the majority

I think you will be pleasantly surprised if you go in the editor and check out the channel map, a fair bit more than 300 hundred objects to be sure.

Not trying to rag on you, we have already had our discussions about this but I think that many here are basing their opinion on ROF on how it was when it was released, the fact of the matter is that it runs very well now, the proper airplanes have trim, we have a couple of really good maps (I know, I know, it looks "cartoon" but it serves it's purpose to me I suppose), it is far from arcade, in fact, it probably has a better flight model and engine model than many here are willing to give it credit for, just because the airplanes are simple does not mean the game engine is.

This thread is just going to continue down the road of hate on both sides, regardless, I would love it if some of the ROF haters on here would just take a few steps back and give the sim a try, not saying you have to, but it might help clear up a few misconceptions that I see on here (not saying they are from you, just, in general).




I joined this forum a couple of months before the announcement of BoS but as a not only a avid CloD fan but also a ROF fan, I don't think that ROF fans are orchestrating some sort of smear campaign against CloD, to be perfectly honest, I think CloD speaks for itself in that regard very well.

You see, I am of mixed feeling about CloD, when I am flying a mission, I generally love it, I like how the cockpit looks, I like the clickable components of it (though I wish it was more complete, like DCS in that regard) and I like the ground textures but when I am not in the pilots seat, dealing with CloD is far from fun.

CloD suffers because it's features are stuck behind a barely functional menu system that heavily restricts quick battle (you need to drag those files into the editor just to change your loadout and set the AI so it does not barrel roll into the ocean so much), a weather system that was removed (a real immersion breaker for me), clouds that don't really do much at all (again, immersion breaker) occasional but severe stuttering that seems to be more about the game engine than my system (only happens in specific spots on the map) and finally, it suffers because it was largely broken when it shipped, it has gotten much better now but it might have been too little, too late.

ROF is not getting this (by the general public at least) because it works out of the box, you download the software and everything is pretty quick and easy to deal with, the aircraft feel diverse and satisfying (as do CloD's), the menu systems provide all the functionality that you would expect (you can set up your quickbattles with the ability to edit your loadout in the process!), the physics feel very satisfying, no other sim gives me such a convincing sensation of flight (though CloD and DCS are close seconds in that regard), and the weapons, CEM and damage model all do a great job and are far more realistic than many on this board are willing to admit.

Look, I am a fan of both but there are two things I hate about this whole situation more than any other, I hate the misinformation and I hate the petty bickering that I would expect on the little league baseball field between two parents that berate each other and the players due to blind pride.

So, lets get some facts straight once and for all, keep in mind, I am a big fan of both CloD and ROF and I play both a great deal.

1.) Both are simulations, neither are arcade, lets just get that stupid myth out of this discussion once and for all, makes me sad to see so many leveling the "arcade" accusation at ROF when it is clearly not, both are sims.

2.) Both ROF and CloD had rough releases, ROF had the benefit of changing management and CloD did not, as a result, ROF is still being supported and CloD is not, neither fan base can change how things went down, all we can do is move on and support whatever sim we like.

3.) CloD's clickable cockpits are not the amazing element that tips the scales in terms of simulation, coming from playing DCS A-10C, CloD's cockpits are pretty but don't really feel that much more functional than ROF's, sure, you can flip a switch or two and move some levers but many of those functions are only really used on the ground, not in combat, ROF can't really do clickables because everything in the cockpit is a lever (aside from the mag switches) and it just would not make much sense to make them clickable when that would just make the sim more clunky, get yourself a throttle quadrant and it would feel just as realistic.

4.) ROF runs well because it is geared to a lower end system, that is not a bad thing and does not limit it in the way that many here seem to think, all this DX9 vs DX10/11 is nonsense and not founded on any facts, still, the fact remains that I have a modest system and I run both CloD and ROF pretty well, suffice it to say, ROF does run smoother 100% of the time whereas CloD tends to chug a bit over cities (not bad, but noticeable). Personally, I don't think ROF looks bad at all considering the spec's they are shooting for, heck, the specs even went up a bit with the release of the channel, object counts went up and they made the water more realistic, the fact is, ROF runs well on a variety of systems, that should always be the goal in software development because if you don't do that and you just cater to the noisy minority that need to justify a $1000+ PC, well, you software will fail because nobody else will want to play it at such reduced visual settings that it looks like a 15 year old game because they don't meet absurd system requirements.

Not every flight sim fan on this board or the ROF board has a heavy duty gaming PC, some of us can't afford them and would still like to enjoy the hobby, ROF scales well and looks good on multiple system configurations, if we are going to act like that is bad, I don't know what to tell you all.

Now, before you all sit here and pick my post apart and say "that sounds antagonistic to the CloD community, I am offended personally!" Keep in mind that I have said it before, I am a big fan of both but I am damn tired of feeling like a second class citizen here just because I like both, you guys are making it seem like you have to pledge your loyalty to one or the other, that is false and everybody knows it.

This kind of infighting only hurts the flight sim community at large, both ROF fans and CloD fans seem to be guilty of it and it should really stop because it solves nothing at all.

So, lets just play what we like, and act like adults.

I'm not talking about the static textures that make up a game map. I'm talking about the amount of static objects you can additionally add to a mission.

If the channel map has more than 300 of those, then imagine the 10's of 1000's the clod map does let alone London.

To build scenarios you need to be able to add, create, modify the existing map. And only being able to add 300 objects doesn't cut the mustard for me. And it definitely won't for a WWII sim with a major focus on ground pounding.

I am not talking about objects that are already placed on the map, I am talking about the 3000 plus that you can add, move, modify and change around at well.

I know you probably should not buy the channel map just to check it in the editor but I think you should probably talk to some the mission builders (or those that have messed with the channel map in the editor) before you make such claims.

I don't want this to turn into another fight, I am just saying that you can add 3000+ objects into the editor now and manipulate them at will.

Please note, I only say 3000+ because I don't know the actual limit, it could be more but that is what I saw in the editor myself.

you left out that RoF was a shocker when it first came out and it came out, many, many years ago now... you're ball


That's right... a clickable cockpit sets the bar at what a sim should be


yep RoF has been out for years and CoD hasn't and CoD was still in the optimisation stage and with a six month old graphics engine...
if it "geared for a low end system", it should run exceptionally well on a high ender. Why doesn't it?

(When you're writing copy, you have to remember what you wrote previously, so you don't get up in your own vibe ;) how is that sound bug, which has been there for ages and excacerbated by the new map?

There is a sticky with the limitations for mission building right on the ROF website. There's noone adding 3000 objects to a ROF mission in the MP world. Its only a few hundred to give you an idea. I take it you've never built a ROF mission?

Also you can not manipulate objects at will. You can't even raise an object off the ground in ROF (no Z axis). Objects are also coded to certain areas where u can place them in ROF.

For instance if I wanted to draw my name with mine ship destroyers in clod right over the top of an airfield, I can do it. I can bury them in the ground (any object) or have them float like a balloon in clod. The ROF ME doesn't come close to anything in the FMB.

Actually, I have, I have been nice to you and yet you still go straight to insults with the "I take it you have never built a ROF mission" crap, jeeze, I have no idea where your hate is coming from.

Anyway, after downloading the latest update, I was able to place "templates" of objects (buildings, things like that) that numbered more than 3000, now, I would not try to make all of them a "linked object" with AI and such but that is hardly needed in a mission anyway.

Still, the fact remains that I have seen with my own eyes and by my own hands more than 3000 objects on the channel map, I am not sure how many "linked objects" I can add out of that but I am sure that I will find the time to do so and report to you what I find.

Again, no need to get testy, I have not slung any insults at you, no need to sling them at me.

Oh, by the way, that sticky is a bit outdated now, if you had checked the date you would know that.

Mike,

I don't think you are getting it. I've added 100,000 trenches in a mission for clod just as a test. The limitation comes in when players come in, hence me talking about MP. I have no doubt that u can sit there and make a template with countless objects in the mission builder, but I know for a fact it won't work for a MP mission (full server). Hopefully you understand now.

Edit: And no reason to take the question I asked personally. Every mission builder in ROF is fully aware of the limitations I talk about. The only reason I asked was because it was quite clear you didn't know about them. So please calm down.

Perhaps you are right, I don't make large scale MP missions (at the most 10 players) so I don't worry about limits that others might.

Also, perhaps I am too used to reddit where "I take it you" generally means a insulting tone, forgive the confusion.

So, I stand corrected, at least on this.

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod was...I'm doing a complete youtube exposé on the release vershion :evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G6G8dlmnKU

Don't sell your bearskin before the cub is even born :P

Will we see anything as good as CLoD again? Most likely, yes.
Will we see anything as good as CLoD for quite a few years yet? No, not very likely.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

An attractive and fun pig, but a pig nonetheless.

Hood

Good thing I like pork :P

Wow Hood...you just destroyed any credibility I had for you

Well, I would agree but with a slight modification to your statement :

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod if CLOD was working and looking as good as expected...

I personnaly think that in its actual state, CLOD is to buggy and limited to be considered to be the "best"...We tend to forgive its flaws and only see its good points when we compare with others sims...And forget the fact that it was never completed because of to many issues with its fondamental design...

Salute !

Why?

Salute

CLIFFS OF DOVER has not yet failed.

The Publishers have given up on it, but us, the community, have not.

Wait and see. ;)

I thought you meant the spit girl :-P

A-hah

:grin:

Before I do anything else in this tread or on these boards first off let me apologize to the mods here and the readers of my inappropriate post that has since been edited by the staff. While my ire was justified and still is, my manner of expressing it was totally out of line and for that I do apologize.

Now as far as the original incident which sparked my indignation I will say this..

That was un called for. First of all, this is a public forum and I will post here as often as I please. As long as I am not breaking the rules it really should be no concern of yours. Hopefully some sense of common courtesy will be extended to me which you seem to find so difficult to do, not only to me but to others as well from what I have seen. I may not have posted here much but I have been reading these specific boards since they were opened as an owner of a sim that I could not run at the time of purchase, but that was purchased mainly to support the development of the product and I have been posting on the IL2 boards all along. I just didn't post here much because up until I upgraded to my current rig in September I could not run CoD well enough to even be able to have anything but a negative opinion of it. Now I am in a better position to actually comment on it and so I do.

Perhaps it is because I am not as heavily invested in it timewise as some of you may be that I don't think the end of the world is near but I am entitled to an opinion regardless to whether or not it lines up with yours and should be able to post it without being insulted, and unlike you, there was nothing that I said in this thread prior to my outburst that warranted the knee pads crack, which could be construed any number of ways, some more vulgar than others but all of them insulting and condescending.Some of you talk about the critics who contributed to the demise of CoD through forum rants.. if that were at all possible.. which I doubt.. then some of you should look in the mirror because that shoddy behavior that you guys speak of went both ways.

You are wrong. Get your facts straight before you speak on things you know nothing about. I never said that or anything near it, at least not prior to Cliffs of Dover's release. I may have said that I preferred a different theater for starters, like many others, but I was just as psyched and in anticipation of the release of SoW:BoB as everyone else was and as I said I would all along, even when some were calling it "vaporware" and saying that it was not going to happen, I supported Cliffs of Dover from day one, before it was even released. I bought it as a DD from UBI within the first week or so after it was released even after the bad initial reviews. I also stated on more than one occasion, on more than one forum that I had no doubts that Oleg & 1C would deliver. I was just as disappointed as everyone else when that did not happen. After the release of Cliffs of Dover and in light of the negativity I continually, up until the time that it just didn't matter to me anymore, which was when Oleg split which was also well before the current state of affairs as far as 1C777 goes, stated on more than one occasion and in more than one place that I was confident that Oleg & 1C would fix things.. but I did not speak much on the sim itself much because even though I owned it.. I couldn't fly it. Now that I can actually fly it I can comment more on it and give opinions based on my own experiences and not hearsay... The behavior by some folks on this board in particular I can comment on.. because I can read. I may not have posted here much for the reasons stated above .. but I have lurked here just to keep an eye on the progress for the day when I could run CoD and I have seen the same rudeness projected at me projected at others who were less than satisfied with Cliffs of Dover and I also read some of the nasty comments made by some of it's critics as well and both are two sides of the same coin ugly from where I sit.

Acting like I am a moderator here? Riiiight... I am not a moderator here.. so that makes little sense.

As for my moderating on the IL2 boards.. That has nothing to do with anything over here and the two people that I did ban are both in this thread.. go figure...

Lastly.. One thing you can rest assured of... if/when you do come back over to the IL2 boards in the future.. you won't have any issues from me concerning anything that happens over here. I am just a poster here and have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Similar rules apply across town.

I can't speak for others but my reasons for posting here now have already been stated aboveand it did not start with the demise of 1C just coincidentally coincided with it.. Like you I also had issues with RoF in the beginning and did not delve into it much at all until it became available as an offline sim as well but I did not come here specifically to promote RoF on this forum but under the circumstances comparisons will be made along with speculations on IL2BoS.. It is my hope that they do not have to make this from scratch.. I suspect t6hat there will be as much cross pollination as possible and I also think that the developers are being prudent in not giving away too much. I think that these guys will learn from the mistakes made with CoD, WoP and even IL2.. I have the same level of hope and expectation that I had before CoD was released.

No.. you were wrong.. I was just out of town and did not want to respond to this on my tablet. When posting on the internet I use bold to make emphasis on points that get lost in translation yet would be obvious were we face to face so as to minimize the possibility of misinterpretation of my meaning.. nothing more. You make these disparaging remarks about knee pads and other such condescending remarks, as if that makes your opinion more valid. It doesn't. .. and what gives you the right to treat people that way even if you don't like what they post about Cliffs of Dover? Nothing. I don't care who you are, if you are a developer or a moderator or whatever.. that does not give you the right to treat people that way just as I had no right to use the language that I used in my initial response to your (plural) posts. As I stated above, my reasons for posting here are what they are.. and frankly .. in reality they are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.. You, Avro and anyone else here can think what you want to about me.. but I will not let you slander me, lie about me or treat me in a way that I would not treat you. Not here.. not face to face.. not now .. not yesterday.. not tomorrow ... not ever.

I just call it like I see it. You are 777's new minion. Have fun with that.

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!

Whatever.. if that idea makes you feel good then go for it..

I intend to have a lot of fun with BoS .. RoF and every other sim that I have bought and paid for that is still valid in some way , including Cliffs of Dover .. but I am no one's "minion" and nothing that comes out of your head will change that.

I suggest you re-read what I said. You come to this forum puffing your chest, talking in bold about how you will ban others on another forum. I'm gonna guess most people see that and laugh. You talk about your moderation here and yet pull the same stunts you say you will ban for on another forum. You are not only a minion, but a hypocrite as well. You are the perfect candidate. Again, sorry for calling you out. You should stick to your own advice next time.

OK enough with the personal issues please.If you need to have it out do it via pm.

This illustrates the mindset very well, a complete inability to think beyond themself and not include themselves in a collective, and the very small attempt to mention a collective was wholly innacurate, here there was NO SUCH THING as a supportive community here, there was an element of people willing to be patient but don't go mistaking paying money as complete support, once some people parted with that cash they though they bought a licence to kick Luthier in the face, it was going to take some years of sales to recoup development cost of something like COD, but once 1C saw the whining they knew the return was unlikely, because no matter what they tried to fix there was some other a'hole ready to lay the boot in over another issue, mainly over features people wanted but ironically these same people can live quite happily without those things now 777 are developing a sim.....go figure.

I would really like to see hard evidence of this alleged 'broken code' that could not be repaired, obviously the initial release was a mes but the subsequent engine fix gave us (most of us) a pretty stable sim that still looked better than anything else, certainly more than we can expect with the new BOS (yet people are practically crapping themselves with excitement over the lack of features being promised by BOS).....

'we are going to build a new sim with absolutely no fancy features based on an old DX9 engine but it will work out of the box'

'yayyy!!! were getting a featureless blandfest with nothing fancy but satisfies our entitlement to instant gratification'

Well it better bloody work out of the box, theres absolutely NO excuse for bugs on an engine released in 2009.....oh wait!

If all of that balls is true Bongo then...

why are there 10x more people still playing IL2?

why did Luthier say himself they couldn't fix it?

Why has it been cancelled?

I mean, Luthier must of shown the years work on the sequel to the people who pay his wages, if that work was great and the fixes he said were coming were done, why did they fire him?

Was there a agenda from every country where COD was released, Germany, Russia, France, the US?

No YOU need to reread what you said.. and then reread what I said and then get your facts straight.

I registered at this forum in October of 2007. I have been posting on the IL2 boards since then so don't talk to me about coming here now that CoD is dead... which was already addressed anyway.

Since you said:
I can only surmise that you are referring to my posts in this thread since you comment on my speaking of "how I will ban others" and that it is the only thread on these boards that I have said that. You need to read that entire thread instead of knee jerk reacting to my first post in that same thread before you go shooting off at the mouth AGAIN about things yo know nothing about. I stand by every single comment in that thread from start to finish.

I said NOTHING about banning ANYONE in this thread in the context which you mention so you are way off base here by even bringing it into this discussion. If you have an issue with me from a different thread then you need to be man enough or mature enough as others have in this thread to come to me in a PM and address your concerns like a MAN since we will never meet and this is all internet testosterone from you anyway. You are wrong man. Flat out. You have no call to address me in the manner in which you have and I will not stand for it. If we have to go back and forth with this til a moderator comes and locks this or bans us both I will NOT let you slander me here with your comments .. not today not ever.. I am too d@mn old to start taking nonsense from fools and I refuse to start now.

If you have an issue with me you need to either GET OVER IT or try to work through it but sitting here calling me names will do nothing but give me more stuff to type. I tell you what though.. if you were on the IL2 boards spouting this tripe about someone else you would be GONE BABY GONE for sure. So you can sit here, where you seem to have a license to Ill till the cows come home.. You bring this nonsense to the other side of town and yes.. it will not be tolerated. Do you want that in bold? You will not be allowed to treat people with such disdain on the IL2 boards. That is not the atmosphere that we want over there and it will not be tolerated.

You really can't figure it out? 10 years worth of time as a released game opposed to just 1.5

I'm sure you'll find the quote and I'm equally sure it was probably taken out of context if it happened

Did you read all that balls I wrote?

1c's fingers were on the trigger and getting itchy, ultimately the work Luthier needed to do was going to cost more money and thats why they fired him.

BC,

Are u trying to threaten me now? Wow, get a life.

Everything I said is obviously true. And now you call me a fool? Grab a tissue please

Give it a rest already, muppets. It's getting silly.

IL2 is STILL after 11 years the king of WWII flight sims.. for all the same reasons that a fact 5 years ago. CoD is a thing of beauty in many ways and hope that the best of it can be brought to BoS ... I have nol idea what Bos will be like and now that I can I want to get more into CoD to raise my level of expectation but for me IL2 is still the king and if BoS does everything that IL2 does 15% better with the same possibilities as far as the engine goes I will be happy. If we can get the CoD level of graphics and CEM or close to it.. it doesn't have to be exact.. but if it looks AT LEAST like WoP and flies like a best of IL2/Cod I will be happy.

Yep, and bugger all to do with anything written on this forum or the french, German or Italian or Russian forums.

COD just didn't sell enough.

PM sent.

Not at all Bliss.. and I have a life. a very full one.. I also have no need for a tissue, certainly not over the likes of you, but YOU need to think about how you address people going forward and you should not talk to people the way you do.. and that is all I am saying. You can take it or leave it.

You were wrong to address me the way you did and I will not stand for it. I have done nothing to you or disparaged you and yet you talk to me the way you do? Why? .. .. and I have to take it.. because you are ATAG_Bliss? No man.. This is not that kind of party. I walk as I walk and I walk the same way in the flesh and in cyberspace and I will not let you or anyone else piss on me and call it rain. "I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music and I will not be intimidated", by you or anyone else. ..

Not at all.. You simply, by your own words, admitted everything I said you were and why you were here.

You, yet again, talk about banning people on another forum. I could care less if you registered on 1c's forum in 2007. You didn't start posting in this particular forum until the sim this forum was for is cancelled. All the while talking about BoS and what your moderation will be like for a completely different forum.

You've now done it twice in this thread. With words like "GONE BABY GONE" it makes me believe you are nothing but a mere child crying about his toys being removed.

As I already stated, I call it like I see it. Thanks for proving everything I said was correct. Enjoy the ban hammer and moderation on another forum that has nothing to do with Cliffs of Dover. Again, you seem like the perfect minion. With your essays and bold type, I think you will do well. You might even convince yourself. Congrats.

Take it somewhere else pls guys...embarrassing

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driver... less bongo. i'm not 1C's mother WTF...

This............

well, you seem to be both calling people names and treating them with disdain yourself... perhaps, you should 'get over it' ? To use your words; "man up", and practise what you preach - this carryon you're persuing here, you wouldn't tolerate at your place!









ain't gonna happen... you're boss has already stomped his foot down there. A "dumbed down" version is what will be presented

Please.. Read this thread and tell me where I called someone names.. Who'd I call names? In my deleted post I may have said that someone acted in a certain way as in like a ______ .. and that was true..but I didn't call anyone anything.. as for my boss.. well first off he is not my boss.. I have to get a paycheck to have a boss.. secondly I guarantee you that whatever comes from this venture won't take as long as it took to produce what eventually became Cliffs of Dover and it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was.. but I bet it will work.. and work on a range of PC that goes beyond the top of the line rigs..

have another read...


no, you don't have to have a paycheck to have a boss, it is not a pre-requisite to have a paycheck to have a boss... try pulling the other one :)



well, the channel map doesn't quite seem to work... is that an indication of what the future holds? will the long present sound bug be included for free?
Keep in mind RoF was atrocious at its first release.... never forget that!

I am glad you agree though, that "it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was". So why were you trying to beat it up into something you now suggest it might not be? and again you're right... it won't take as long... that is because a fair amount of the work has already been done ;)

Crikey... if CloD was given another twelve months of interference free grace, what could have come from that?

ROFLMAO!!! You remind me of these guys...
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I hope that modders working for free can do what the sims developers working for a paycheck couldn't ... seriously.. You seem to think that this is some kind of CoD vs RoF thing with me.. it isn't ..

I... just wanna fly.. and I will take the best thing smoking.. I just want Somebody ... from somewhere .. I don't care where.. and I will pay.. to give me a next level WWII sim capable of becoming what IL2 is to me... If that's 1C777 then I am all in if it isn't then I hope whoever it is steps up and delivers.. so far everyone has let me down.. You can do what you want to do .. I really don't care. Just don't hate on me for breathin..

You are the mercenary from another forum, earning your pay ( free maps , planes or ammo maybe ), here, and just stop that !

Yes it will work on dx9 with no fancy graphic , no CEM , no ground units
like devs said , that use resources .... we wil loose money

the expected reaction to being put right ;)





iEDIT

to address your edited post....


that ain't going to be from 777 though

;0 here's a tip for you... if you won't tolerate it, there at your place, please at least maintain a modicum of decorum for yourself and don't carry on with it at other places ;) fair enough?

Put right.. really!! REALLY!! :)

As for a modicum of decorum.. I am responding to posts directed at me.... I guess just being here makes me a target and I am not supposed to say anything right... and you guys keep bringing up the other forum.. I mentioned it in a thread on another forum here.. what.. a week or two ago? .. and you guys just keep at it? I'll tell you what.. I just want to post about whatever I want to post about within the rules of the forum without folks coming out of the woodwork trying to whip me into shape and put me right.. How about that? What you think that because I now work another board I am no longer supposed to post here? I have been here since 2007.. and now because my presence offends you I'm supposed to just fade away right..

Sorry..

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I'll tell you what .. you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.. please.. We wouldn't be having this conversation if you were not trying to bait me..

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Where do you people come from??!!!

Just fade away on your happy campers forums )
gl )

By the way , it seems that you are very young , at least that could be seen
from your writing style and arguments

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Sneak under your 777 rock and disappear please :grin:

No I am not very young at all.. and no I won't go away.. sneaking or otherwise. Get over it bub. Look at your posts.. and you tell me I seem very young based on my writing style and arguments? My oldest child is 36... I have 8 grand children.. I have been married to the same woman for 23 years and another for 8 years before that so you think I am going to be moved by you? :) :D.. Not only that.. I am on vacation so for now I have nothing but time and a fridge full of beer in the mancave and a football game going on to boot .. there is nothing you can tell me or say to me that will shake me or make me back down kid.. so get a grip and move on. I could care less if you like me.. but I am not going to take guff from you or anyone until it gets to the point where I have said what I had to say and you are just flossing with shoelaces..

fyi, the new sim...won't have a bearcat.:-P

you crazy!

That's what she says!! .. and I had to edit the oldest's ages cause I forgot a year..


No worries.. neither did the old one till it got cracked.. besides.. I like Ponies.. ;)

and there goes any last semblance of decorum you had left... threatening to knock peoples' teeth out (what else could you have meant by 'flossing with shoe laces"?




According to you, you don't "draw a paycheck"... so how could you "work" there??



oh, here we go... 'the victim', another of the usual reactions... another is straight out attack. Then again, could you just be trying to get this thread shut down? its an old antic, that one ;)

quite simply, sport, if you won't tolerate there don't do it here.

Don't you have someone else to harass?

Victim? I'm no victim.. but Ray Charles can see what is going on in this thread with you.. and not only is he blind.. he's dead..

lol. sure.;) you are steady as a rock.:!:

'sup sport?...feeling a bit awkward because you're having your embellishments and your hypocrisies pointed out? ... oh, did I mention 'hypocrisies'?

Do YOU even know what you are talking about because I sure don't..

I'm sure you could feign denial in almost any situation you would wish to ;)

@ Bearcat:

You're probably quite an intelligent guy. But you need to realise that there are a number of people who you offend with your style of 'Moderating'. I've had messages of support regarding my initial comment about you.

You take it all far too seriously. You don't actually have military Command status as a moderator, but act as though you do.

If I was a moderator (not a job I'd relish;)), I'd talk softly and carry a big stick!. That's an African proverb!


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

Jesus tap-dancing christ.
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Bearcat, do whatever the frak you need to to keep BoS forums from becoming this place. Please.

You're a RoFite now, Bearcat. If you are wondering why this might be an issue, the situation is something along these lines -

let's say 777 has a milkshake, and 1c has a milkshake, and 777 has a straw, that reaches alllllll the way across the room...
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and they drink 1c's milkshake. Slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllurp. They drink it up!

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They lost. They are losers who lost. They got paddled, and their butts are butthurt like you would not believe. It is impossible to imagine a more complete capitulation unless 777 had literally dropped by personally to announce that they've shacked up with these guys moms as their new stepdad. For all the brave talk, all the forum drama, all the pitched internet battles, it has ended thus - the whole team they had had faith in now works with the enemy, or has left the scene entirely.

Now, it doesn't have to be this way. At the management and staff level - Jason, Loft and the rest are beyond gracious, and refuse to hear a harsh word spoken about Luthier or the 1c team, and get along as professionals just fine. As it should be. But for the vanguard of CloD fans - this is just too much, too soon. They're the last japanese soldiers dug in on the island, mentally unable to process the thought of surrender to the enemy. Think of you dropping by this forum as you helicoptering in with the emperor's surrender on loudspeaker. They just can't hear it. They can't allow themselves to hear it. It has all been... for nothing? This whole time?

What's worse - you, a RoFite, are now the moderator of the new Il-2 boards!

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No... no... no! Devilman ... 666 .... no ... steamy jungle of love.

I tell you, you mix their sweet, hilariously overblown anxiety over a simple piece of games software, combined with a salty, subtle undertone of racism, and you have a delicious recipe for internet drama. I hope you beat them hard over on the new Il-2 forum, Bearcat. They may frolic over here as much as they like, in the dream world of bananaland. But let's leave the real Il-2 forums for people who can deal with the reality of the situation, yeah?

Lol :)

Tree, is that you?

No, its not Tree.
I would of known about it.

then are you tree:confused::-P

Flippin heck!
Now im confused.

Just who the hell am i?