Wow, you are quite a nut. Is it only online you demonstrate such odd behaviors? Stalking? Envy? Are you unaware you project you're suffering from a massive inferiority complex? I get an image of you pounding away on your keyboard in your double wide in your underoos ;). It's simply a flight sim section on a game forum. If you reply to this, I'll have to assume you're stalking me! :cool:

You came into to take a jab at me on a forum and you're saying I have an inferiority complex? Better look in the mirror chump.

As I said, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong and will do so when proven as such. I'm sorry of your personal problems. I suggest taking them out on someone else.

Sturmjaeger why are you always so hostile? :rolleyes:

Hostile? Nah, my real fault is that I'm a bit cynical.. It never fails to amaze me how some people live in a proper deluded state..

Did you know you can tell the HP of a car by looking at the engine?! And that a stock 90s Mustang can be tweaked up to 3000HP? It's the power two Merlin engines! Amazing stuff! :rolleyes:

A stock 90's mustang with 3000HP? I'd say you're just a bit more delusional than I thought.

oh yeah, it's me the delusional folk :rolleyes:

Enough of this thread, gotta go fill up my tank with tiger blood ;)

Thinking a "stock" mustang makes 3000HP is very delusional. Maybe it's because you don't know what a stock mustang is?

Here's a small block ford (super street oulaw car) pegging the dyno with a single turbo. Dyno pegged at 2000HP.

Just so you can see a video and just so you know. This is not a "stock" mustang. Hope this helps.

Edit: Since you'll probably fail to the make the connection. My car is a super street outlaw car with 2 turbos. It's not a stock mustang. Again just trying to help you out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7pc6...eature=related

sarcasm |ˈsärˌkazəm|
noun
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt: his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French sarcasme, or via late Latin from late Greek sarkasmos, from Greek sarkazein ‘tear flesh,’ in late Greek‘gnash the teeth, speak bitterly’ (from sarx, sark- ‘flesh’).

Yep, your post to Farber looked pretty sarcastic to me.

Well at least it seems like you're starting to learn something. Good job man!

Edit: had to add all that sarcasm in a quote.

dude, can you read?! I said, you can tweak a stock Mustang to..... it was sarcastic anyway, got it? lol

Once again, it's all very cool, let us know when your dyno test results are available, ok? :cool:

I read exactly what you said. You tried to make a jab at something you clearly don't know anything about it.

I will not be putting my car on a chassis dyno. 2000HP cars are hard pressed to not light up the rollers. Please take this information in. Again, you may learn something.

And that's what you don't seem to get yet. You don't tweak a stock mustang at all. The only thing left on the car that's mustang is parts of the unibody.

That's like saying you tweak John Force's NHRA mustang funny car and say it's a mustang. The only thing mustang about it is a word that says mustang. Clearly you're are unable to comprehend much of anything.

I'm sorry, but talking to someone like you is a complete waste of time. I do hope that you gain some sort of automotive knowledge some day. Maybe you can get away with stuff you type here because most people on this forum aren't gear heads/know much about cars and/or racing. But to say some of the stuff you say here on a car enthusiast site, you would get laughed out of the room by every body there.

oh it's 2000HP now? It was 2500HP some posts ago! Man that Mustang of yours is crazy! ;)

So now it's so powerful we can't actually measure that bad boy uh? :rolleyes:

Seriously now, I'm sure your car is a beastie on a drag race, but claiming HP which in reality are just a guess is kinda hard to take for good, no matter how experienced you are, don't you think? ;)

hey I'm no engineer but I figured as much thank you, I was just pulling your leg (again, please do refer to the definition of sarcasm I provided you with some posts ago). So your Mustang is in fact not a Mustang, it's... what is it exactly? Ah yes, it's a car you've built yourself!

I'm sure that if we went on an automotive forum and you claimed you need no dyno test to know how many HP your car produces, because you know by looking at the engine, the one that gets laughed out of the room will be you, Charlie.. in fact you know what? I'll show this convo to a couple of automotive forums I'm subscribed to, we often share the sort of comedy you produced for us here today, thank you!

It's like saying: "Hey I'm the finest dancer...in my mind".. I mean don't you really really see how ludicrous your claim is? :rolleyes:

uh and to wrap this up, I'm done with this for real, you made your point, I made mine, happy with the "agree to disagree" finale here..

For the love of god please read this for the final time.

A 2000HP car is hard pressed to go on the rollers of a chassis dyno. So one can conclude from there a similar car built for the same series of drag racing pegs a dyno with a single turbo that a car with a very similar build but with 2 turbos instead will easily make an additional 500 HP. So to recap. At 2000HP you're lucky to get any sort of accurate chassis dyno run. About the only thing you can do is set A/F and timing. HP numbers will be skewed. But I use a dual wideband setup and a FAST acq setup to tune my own car with. Meaning I don't need to spend money on a chassis dyno for the only thing I need it for. I'm not in the least bit worried about the HP. Combinations like mine have been running around for well over 5 years now. IE - HP numbers will be similar without a shed of doubt.

I understand. And you drive that everyday right? Like to go get milk, medicines etc... boy that must draw SO much attention!

Here's a SSO car going to the drive through at burger king with snow on the ground. I will drive it on the street when everything is setup. These are very tame cars until you step on it.

Edit: forgot to mention this was in Detroit. Not exactly a small city.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD65zFt6IiY

you're also getting a wheelchair strapped to the back of yours? ;)

"They don't" and "different" are mutually exclusive.

Regardless, feel free to explain how the engineering R&D of the racing programs of Ford, GM, Toyota, etc. that then gets applied to production cars is different from Ferrari's operation?

No you didn't. You haven't said ANYTHING of substance to support your delusion that Ferraris are "engineering marvels". Show me ANYWHERE on the net that says Ferraris are not riddled with maintenance issues and are stupidly expensive to own.

Show me ANYTHING that contradicts what I've said. All you have posted is your opinion.

Yes I have. Pretty sweet I must say. Nearly every major manufacturer can say the same thing about technology licenses. So what.

And apparently there is a need to say, once again, I have never dissed Ferrari's performance engineering in ANY of my posts.

You do realize that the "newest" Ford GT is a 2006 model right?

Feel free to explain where I have provided insufficient detail to support my position. I'm all ears.

I should not reiterate but I will. You have failed to respond specifically to a single question I have posted. You have not rebutted a single point of mine with, as I said before, anything other than an opinion.

No, it's not an "alleged" bitch, it's a bonafide bitch. Why do you think the, "if you have to ask how much the maintenance costs...", joke is repeated about a zillion times in every Ferrari owner's forum?

--Outlaw.

Outlaw, you're doing a game of semantics here, which is pretty much trolling..

But hey, in order to satisfy your curiosity (so you will have something to talk about when you buy your Ferrari):

Ferrari was the inventor of the F1 gearbox, of carbon-ceramic brakes, F1-derived traction control, the e-diff.. and let's not even go in the field of aerodynamics..

They're cars of exquisite craftsmanship, and although not all of them are 100% perfect, apart for some faulty components that have been enhanced, the reliability issue is also due to the way owners drive these cars. These are no "turn the key and go" Prius, these cars need to be warmed up properly and driven with a different attitude.

If you're really getting yourself a 328 make sure you have a thorough understanding of how the old Ferrari gearboxes work, or you'd be in for some bad surprises and costly bills for sure.

The main thing I've noticed with Ferrari owners is that the "newcomers" always look at the fact they bought a Ferrari and are very hyped about it, but don't understand that they also need to get themselves a huge load of experience in driving a sports car together with it. Every car will get damaged or will suffer breakdowns if it's manhandled, and cars like older Ferraris, with no rev limiters, stability control and all the new gizmos they come with, are particularly prone because of the fact that they can be easily taken over the limits.

Doesn’t matter how skilled you are, or how good your car is. You drive you car according road conditions that prevail at the time. If you do anything else you’re just a bloody idiot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv8RS...eature=related

This video just goes to show that having access to lots of money does not make you any more skillful or intelligent.

See what I mean... Hostile.

You may not be able to tell the horsepower of the engine by it's looks but you can make an engine to a specification.

Plenty of we sites offering 2500HP Ford kits delivered to your door! If you can get it in a kit you can put it together yourself to the specification.

Makes my 300HP E49 265ci straight six Valiant motor seam quite inadequate :(

Oh dear! The things you sacrifice by having kids!

I know that well, you can use any kit that gives you a theoretical HP output, but it varies according to many factors. We're still talking about a lot of power of course, but it's the way it's put down that makes the difference, hence the importance of a dyno test, which can be accurate indeed if done with the adequate systems. You might be losing some HP here and there, so that's the added value of a measuring as accurate as possible.. but when someone who has one wants to sell me that it's actually a car that is good also for cornering or to use daily you can appreciate that one can only laugh at the delusion..

Kit cars are another interesting subject: before deciding to get me a Mustang I toyed with the idea of getting a Cobra kit, nowadays you can pretty much buy anything you want off the internet. A good mate of mine just got himself a Lancia Stratos replica kit and fitted a Busso 3.2 V6 to it, but the producers said they could virtually build him any engine mounts he wanted.

Anyways...

lol ok then, hostile it is!

Ilove American V8s, I like everything about them, theyre unbustable, lazy poweerful, but most of all I love the sound.

I also love small engined revy light cars, a winding country road and a responsive little car is great, nearly as good as a bike.

Over here gas is ten dollars a gallon so the V8 is a non option if you do any mileage.

Toying with the idea of getting a kit car should remain just what it is, a vague dream.

Kit cars are deceptivly easy to make arnt they afterall you can buy anything on the internet right.

Wrong.

They require lots of things that are in short supply

MONEY, they can be a hideous money pit

TIME, Once started you must devote lots of time to them, otherwise that project will drag on and on until you become rather fed up with it and it remains an unfinished project.

SPACE, You need lots of space for this type of work, The kit, the donor and its suprising how much "stuff" goes into making a car !

SKILLS, Sure you may have all the equipment you need to build that kit,You totally understand the technical issues. You may be pretty good on the spanners, Welding and metal fabrications hold no fears Car electrics are a doddle for you, Bodywork and paint you can obviously do in your well equipped workspace, and the legal requirements to get that finished kit on the road hold no fears.

FRIENDS. real friends, not that facebook type. People who can help you maybe encourage you and will perhaps devote some of their time to occasionally helping you.

And finally the bit where most kits fall down.

Finishing and trim. Endless hours of shaping fabricating cutting pleating glueing sewing and attaching trim and finish, trust me it takes ages and by then most builders are so inpatient to see there car finished they make a hashed up balls up of it. The excuse being they will sort it out next year.

My advise, go buy a kit, it may keep you away from the internet for a while.

Or at least till the next patch.

If I went for a kit car I'd get one of these:

http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/htm...roadsport.html

Hood

Can't we turn this into a general automotive thread without the endless arguing, as it seems there's plenty of carlovers here.

101 year old lady and her awesome 1930 Packard Straight Eight.
Killer car and the way she even puts a cloth on the doorstep to get in says alot about her love for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwww...layer_embedded


And one of my favorite classics. Mostly because it looks good, is reasonably sporty and still attainable. Aim to own a '72 model in broken white, dark green or deep red someday...
There are sexier classics, but they won't ever be in my pricerange unless I win euromillions.

Correct if you get the wrong kit. Mostly incorrect if you get the right one.

I say mostly because you do have some very good points, but, with the right kit things are manageable. I got this one...

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/type-65-coupe/

I bought the complete kit (b/c I didn't have a donor Mustang), wheels, rear brakes, and the Moser rear end from Factory Five. It includes EVERYTHING I will need except tires, engine, transmission, paint and little consumables like silicone sealer, etc. The body is 2 piece fiberglass ready to bolt on. It will require a LOT of finish work before painting though.

No significantly special tools are required.

You are dead on about the time. At my current rate the completion date is 1st quarter 3945!

The finish work and paint job will be the most expensive part not included with the kit. I hope I can get a decent one for $6k. Total driveout will hopefully be < $37k USD.

--Outlaw.

a decent what?
The finished car is quite a beauty tho.
Would go all out racing(but A/C etc) when building it, but then again it's yours.:cool:

A decent paint job!

I wanted to go with the fully independent rear end, but, the price and the fact that I will never even be able to get the most from the solid rear axle made it a no-go.

Other than that, there's no real difference between "all out" racing and not (in the kit itself). I did get the A/C. The heat index was 109°F here in Houston yesterday and it will likely be almost that much today!

I almost went with the vintage wheels and tires but tires that small are very expensive today so I went with the modern wheels.

--Outlaw.

so you gonna do this AND get yourself a 328?

Factory Five makes some good stuff. I put a shelby together around 10 years ago.

I'm assuming you're going with an EEC-IV setup since you were talking about a mustang? Anyhow that's the best route - engine harness / PCM completely seperate from any other harness. Obviously very easy to make go-fast stuff with as well.

I don't know if you've gotten the drivetrain yet, but I deal mainly on the corral (http://forums.corral.net/forums/ - sorry if you're already there) But it's about the best place to find anything EEC-IV and EEC-V (fuel system, drivetrain, electronics, blowers, turbos, foggers, etc.)

I've been dealing with mustangs for quite a while now. So if you have any questions just ask / PM me. There's a whole lot of tricks out there today.

Geez your whining about everyone being a troll is getting old.

Regardless, post some substance and respond to actual points made and the nitpicking won't be necessary.

SERIOUSLY, raaaid can argue better than you.

So what, every major manufacturer has their list.

But that's not the point. Your continued blathering about Ferrari technology is such a wasted effort as my ONLY point regarding Ferraris...

That's it. Agree or disagree but posting pointless and blatantly obvious fact after fact DOES NOT CHANGE the above. If that's your definition, then fine, just say so.


Even in the best of hands and treatment the MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDED maintenance requirements are just pathetic. For such craftsmanship, you should get something better.

Your insufferable pandering is just plain sad. Now you're just trying to point fingers and blame their issues on everything BUT the cars.

Oh please, stop trying to back off from the total a$$hat you've been up to this point.

--Outlaw.

And another Vette.

And I would also like to get a Lotus somewhere along the way.

--Outlaw.

White with red leather interior for me. They did a pale blue that I also liked.

Hood

Oh I love the old BX. My Dad had a silver 1400 with grey bumpers and black mirrors, being a 1400 it didn't have the spoiler on the back though. I don't think i've ever been in a car that rode over bumps so well, it was so smooth. Rolled quite a bit in turns though lol.

Before his BX he had a gigantic gold Citroen CX estate which had a 2.4l engine which did about 7mpg and had a 0-60mph of about 2 weeks. I remember the dashboard was very strange, the dials were not dials but horizontal wheels behind a glass lense with the numbers on the outside like a rolled up tape measure.:-?

Here you go, pity it's the 60's model with the old engine and brakes but I agree that's one awesome colourcombination. :)
I call it broken white, since it's not really snow white and not beige either.

http://www.nettiauto.com/volvo/p1800/4701558

Eat my dust, SUCKERS!!!!!! :grin:

http://www.pbase.com/daverilstone/image/144374713.jpg


QUICK EDIT: not my car! Just a pic I googled off the Internet. But unless I'm mistaken, is that someone actually JUDGING that Gremlin in a car show??? LOL

Jaguar could have made good use of the sweet reliable inline 6 the Gremlin had.

That's the one. Also, see this story about the P1800 going to do about 3,000,000 miles. I guess he's done it by now.

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...illion-miles/1


This is the light blue version that I think is quite elegant:

http://volvop1800s.com/images/volvop...bigimage_1.jpg

Hood

I have a P1800



in 1:24 scale :grin:

Beautiful car!