It might help if you actually read what BlackSix wrote.. allow me to quote him below

note the word 'alpha' in the first line AND second line

Does this help clear up your confusion of the state/status of this patch?

Hope so! But if you forget anytime in the near future, I updated my sig for you and yours

The devs. In the patch thread it says it is a DX10 ALPHA

Sorry, I still don't get what losing keys has to do with me purchasing a game and it still been broken a year on. I don't see anything in the key analogy to compare.

I think he understands what an analogy is. He's saying your analogy is not apt.

Well I tried.. Sorry you don't get it

It's just losing something through your own fault and purchasing something and finding out it is broken through no fault of your own are two different things to me. Anyways, I will reserve any final thoughts until the steam release.

Well you might get it if you stick to one thing at a time..

Note my analogy was not in responce to your question of 'fault'..

My analogy was in resonce to you 'wondering why' the devs can NOT give us a specific date and time that the patch will be done.

Two very different things!

But seeing how you jump around topic wise I can understand now why you didn't get it.

No one knows if the game will be good enough to suit everyones needs one day or it will be shut down next month. But we can hope and help the devs if we want or switch to other things if we do not want to help.

There are no better developers in Russia (or too few of them). You may try to persuade Activision or EA to create a WWII flightsim if you think it is a very profitable business.

Tree..

you can spin it any way you want to but it will not change the fact that you did not read BS post to note that he refered to the patch TWICE as a ALPHA patch

Which speaks volumns about all your post wrt to the patch

Oh god.... could you imagine how awful an Activision or EA flight sim would be?

Base game: $59.99

On launch day, DLC comes out for $19.99 and features the Spitfire Mk.IIa and the Bf-109E-4. Of course, those aircraft are already in the game, and the 20 dollar fee is just to unlock them.

The game will have a draconian DRM restriction, meaning you can only install the game 3 times before it locks you out. Also, it won't work for a lot of people, and they will get locked out of their game for no reason.

Then, 2 years later, they shut down the game because it's "too expensive to support" and you'll just have to fork out another 60 dollars for Cliffs of Dover 2, with the same aircraft and same map, but slightly better graphics.

Hardly

On that note, please don't get mad at me for pointing out to you where 1C stated the patch is an 'alpha' patch

Remember

YOU ASKED US WHERE IT STATED THAT

You got your answer, now your upset? Please

Regardless of what you want to call it, it is pretty obvious that it is not a release candidate version.

Alpha usually means there is stuff not yet incorporated (seems fitting), beta usually means all the stuff (or almost all of it) is there, but lacks polishing/testing. There is no standard convention for these terms, so everone uses them a bit differently.

Most importantly, they can name it whatever they want, it doesn't change the fact that it is not ready for prime time yet, as they stated in the post.

Also they are Russian so jumping on their every little word as truth is a little bit disingenuous, but that has never bothered you.

Isn't it the best way to stay in game business, get AAA-rated magazine reviews and happy customers nowadays? Maybe they buy UBI together with 1C one day when the next wave of economic crisis strikes.

The part where its called an Alpha by B6, isnt that so hard to understand?

I might be a d*** and put it in my sig too... :rolleyes:

Is that good enough for you?

Tree, I saw B6's post very shortly after it went up as well. It always said alpha patch in the message body even though the title says beta.

I'd say the mis-match is one of two things: Either simply down to B6 not being a native English speaker or they left the title as beta patch since that's how it's been referred to for months.

The edits in that post are the added download mirrors. In this instance, I'm afraid you're reading too much into this.

gtfo seriously beta or alpha or WHATEVER YOU PANZ want to call it, THE MATTER OF FACT IS we all know its a work in progress and will come with warts....get outside some, my gosh, come back later when it's "better"...sigh

Exactly

But that truth does not fit into Tree's story line thus he has to 'spin' it to make it fit..

At which point you have to ask yourself which is more believable

That BlackSix edited his initial post today to include updated info and new download links.. Or Tree's conspiracy theory that BlackSix edited his post today to include the words 'alpha' just to stick it to Tree in this separate thread

I think most will agree that BlackSix has better things to do than worry about discrediting Tree's post, Especially in light of Tree doing a find job all by himself ;)

Post was edited for adding links, as when i downloaded there was only 2 to choose from.

Not that it really matters tbh.
People who want to help out as much possible to get our sim up and running ASAP will do so.
For those who only want to troll and trow crap at it there will only be a reason, bug or feature not to their liking to get hung up on.

I can also confirm that at the time I posted BS post refered to the patch as 'alpha' twice

Or in his case reading too little ;)

I have no reason to lie to you, Tree. I usually don't get involved with these pissing matches because I think they are fruitless and forge bad feelings. BUT, the body of the original post by Black Six has always said Alpha. In the original post there was only two DL links for the international patch, now there are three.

seriously even if it had said Alpha no one can say they wouldn't have downloaded it would they? I sure would have.

I dont see the fuss anyone can roll back to the last release if they want...or they could play a few games of the 'alpha' and send in a crashdump or observations. After all this is why they released the patch in the first place.

I also read 'alpha' in BS's initial post, very soon after it went up.

I could change it to read Alpha instead of Beta

But where's the fun in that............ watching the usual suspects struggling to find some leg room to swing thier boot and give the devs a kicking is funny.

Keep it up the entertainments great and I'm sure the rest of the community appreciates it too.

:grin:



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Nobody cares if you're bad at reading or not.

It's an alpha patch.

S!

I just posted bugs in bugtracker in hope to assist in finalizing the patch in some way :) It brought some new good things, broke some but such it is with alpha/beta.

Very well said on points 2 & 3..after a year being patience i'm feed up. Personally I've never really had bad fps, but all the other bugs and problems and missing features have left me exasperated.

Progress feels like they have one over worked novice working on it in a basement without ventilation.

On point 1, i kept on hearing 'we won't release a patch until its right' type rhetoric, and what do we get.. an alpha patch.. all i can say to that is FFS!

I uninstalled the game yesterday.. if i had a disk of CloD i'd snap it. I'll return in 6 months.. but i won't expect anything.

Bye.

I don't think you understand what this patch is for Tree, that or your just being an awkward g**.

Tree_UK, it is not the fault of the dev team that you don't understand the purpose of a public beta test.

Works pretty good for me...

Goodbye ... but:
 

Firstly, you know what? Over the last year I've seen Tree_UK do little but state the facts, accurate facts, he's nearly always proved correct eventually and yet nonetheless there's a high number of forum members who consistently attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Secondly, I'm almost certainly about to get banned and I really don't care because for once I'M about to tell it how it really is.

I've been a passionate devotee of the IL-2 series since the beginning over a decade ago. I've purchased every iteration, run the software on 3 different PCs, bought Track-IR, CH-Products rudder pedals and throttle and cherish my original MS Sidewinder FF stick that has been with me all that time and flown all my simulated aircraft. I've been fully committed! I watched the progress of COD (or Battle Of Britain as it was originally known) from the earliest hints of it being worked on, I valued the DVD clips in the IL-2 1946 package, I trawled the web to find updates, I had an order in place with Play.com (UK) for YEARS (literally). When the sim was finally announced I placed an order for 2 Collector's Editions at once with UBISHOP and, despite the curious lack of revealing demo clips available on the web (odd that eh?) I still couldn't wait. I bought 2 GTX-580 gpus to run COD in the promised SLI and the promised DX-11. I was a full on fan and supporter of Oleg Maddox and his astonishing project that after so many years of development was PROMISED by 1C to be a new era in personal combat flight simulation. Then the game was released and immediately there was trouble. The epilepsy filter, the defects, the lack of SLI, the lack of DX-11, the lack of campaign mode, the appalling frame rate ... as has since been fully acknowledged by the development team the application was pushed out unfinished and in a terrible state. It was nowhere near a saleable commodity, they HAD to release it to recoup funds to continue and (as they promised) quickly fix all the issues.

Many of us felt cheated by that approach because it was obviously a con. They insisted prior to release that all was well, even after release they kept quiet about the problems until forced into a corner. It's no coincidence that the only real admission of the truth of the situation was AFTER the USA release when a lot more people had been conned and a lot more money brought into the 1C (and their backers') account.

Then they made a clean start, admitted what had happened, promised to fix it fast and asked us to please stick around and let them justify our trust and our investment. That, for the moment, appealed to me and I did indeed stick around but I didn't contribute to this forum because I wanted to wait and see what happened. Please bear in mind that in the good old days of 2001 to 2005 I was very active on the IL-2 forum and you can still see my posts there. I never courted controversy and I was never banned or warned by the moderators.

So ... in the last year what has happened?
Well, this forum is now effectively a fascist state. The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here. This does noone any good. In that time we've also had several patches, I've applied them all, that have made minor incremental changes to aspects of the sim and virtually no improvements to the underlying issues that matter, that actually affect the immersive experience of flying an aircraft in combat. Then we got to the beyond surreal point where having not even vaguely completed the application that we've all paid a considerable amount of money for and which a year ago we got a solemn promise from the team that they wouldn't rest until our investment was justified and they'd finished the game, we're told that they're working on a SEQUEL, that we'll be expected to pay for and we'd have to wait for the engine being used for that to be completed so it can be plugged into COD. The smell of rat was getting strong now.
Even then I was patient, I believed them still, I awaited the uber-patch with great interest, I genuinely believed that they could do it. Then they kept us waiting and waiting. Weeks went into months. Then there was the propoganda of it being nearly finished and producing AMAZING results that would TRANSFORM the game's playability and quality ... oh, but then that code turned out to be full of defects and actually not quite ready for release after all despite being only hours away when last they mentioned it. THEN they released the latest patch, the one that we'd been told would only be released when it was actually going to REALLY improve the application, REALLY improve the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, the framerate ... Well it didin't did it ... it made things worse mostly and that's after they'd turned OFF some graphic features to save resource.

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software? That you only release it because you're certain it's the finished product BUT you want one last mass test under real world conditions to check before GUARANTEEING it's worth? I don't think that you DO understand that and I'm CERTAIN that's not what happened here. This was mid development software released under duress and it's nowhere near ready for use by the end users.

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!

I fully expect to be banned for offering this truthful and non-troll opinion. As I said, I care passionately about the IL-2 series, and I've waited a LONG time before speaking my mind but this has now got patently obviously RIDICULOUS!

Goodbye all and good luck. See you in the ROF skies I hope.

Best wishes
Phil

We are in Alpha of the Beta Patch for the graphics engine...

Alpha Test - A trial of machinery, software, or other products carried out by a developer before a product is made available for beta testing

Beta Test - A trial of machinery, software, or other products, in the final stages of its development, carried out by a party unconnected with its development

If they thought it was a finished bullet proof product they would have released the patch. A public beta test is released so that the community can help find bugs. If you don't want to help find bugs you should not install a beta patch.

Bye!

@Lensman_1: Asking for freedom of speech and democracy on a privately owned Internet-forum is like taking a piss in your pants during winter to stay warm. I.e. completely idiotic. It's their rules, their way, ALL the way. Technically you do have freedom of speech here, but then again, what you don't have here as in the real world is freedom from consequence.

Apart from that, you're not alone in supporting the company with procurements. You're not alone in being a fan. However, some of us have infinite amounts of patience, while others have not. And even those of us that doesn't have an infinite amount of patience (and there's a few of them), quite a few of those still at least try to contribute in a meaningful manner. The rest of the rabble are merely posting the same whines and rants over and over again. And some of the denizens of this plane of existence has taken to refuting those rants and whines as best as they can.

So you made a bad call in buying a game unseen and without knowing how it was beforehand like so many of us. Sorry, but the cake is still on your face much like it is on ours. You, like the rest of us, might have quacked up on that one, but stuff like that happens when we're blind to the dangers and blinded by both the hype and our own expectations.

Many of us will buy the sequel for the same reason as why we bought CLoD. We want a good WW2-flight/combatSIM, and this is the best shot at actually getting one. Sure, there's other WW2-flightgames out there, but none of those are even remotely worth calling a simulator in any way, shape or form.

By the way, Lensman_1's meltdown is an excellent example of why public beta testing is a risky proposition for a dev team.

+1 Phil. Look at that everybody a community member that's been around for while and doesn't trash post all the time, offering his opinion of the state of CloD, this my friend is one of the "silent majority" that people like to talk about.

Don't worry Phil, if they release BoM it will totally bomb because nobody except a handful of deluded fanatics will buy it. If you'd asked me 6 months ago or so if I cared about the success of this new series I would've said "YES" hesitantly, ask me today I would simply answer I DON'T REALLY CARE ANYMORE. The devs are full of it and 1c is full of it. I will care again if some other developer takes over or start a new flight combat series (highly unlikely but I can live with those odds).

The devs actually reminds me of a certain type of firecrackers that we had when where kids. These "special" firecrackers were cheap but they didn't go off sometimes, sometimes the fuse would burn all the way down but they still wouldn't explode. Sometimes the fuse would burn out so quickly we didn't have time to throw them away and they'd go off in our hands, ouch! Some of them had fuses that wouldn't even burn. We called these firecrackers "Russians"......

Epic meltdown. If he's speaking for you, I assume you're also leaving?

.....+1



I'm sure others could

And yet you're still here...

Apparently he doesn't speak for you after all...

This is my favorite part of his meltdown. Does he seriously think that anyone in here will buy the sequel if they can't get CoD working?

I actually would, but ONLY after the sequel had proven that it works and is a far more complete product that CLoD. Unless I got such a confirmation, I won't touch it.

Everybody is certain that you will David

Yeah, no doubt. I wonder how many of them pre-ordered CoD?

PS. I did NOT pre-order CoD.

To be honest, Tree, I don't really care all that much. If it's fixed, well, then it's fixed. Cool, swell, spiffy, awesome and whatnots. If not, I'll rack CLoD up in the column specially annotated for bad purchases/bad choices, and move on from there. Just like I've done with a few other things that turned out disappointing in my life.

While that will probably seem like a completely alien thought to you and some other fellows here, that's how I deal with these things. I'll wipe my shoe clean and walk happily off into the sunset.

Besides, Tree, I have nearly limitless amounts of patience. I work as a Server-admin for a major telecommunications-company here in Scandinavia, and dealing with this is extremely insignificant in comparison to the patience I have to exhibit at work when dealing with people at work.

Why are you here if you think they'll never fix it?

addman, he killed the horse long ago. It's time to move on.

I'm certainly not planning to hang around here if I decide the game can't be saved.

Well as for myself, my wait has not been quite as long as many of you.
I was heavily into IL2, first with FB, then with the AEP followed by PF. Then eventually I got 1946 to make it easier to have it all together. Most of my flying was done offline, but man did I ever have many, many enjoyable hours with it. I remember quite well, it was the reason I purchased Track IR - never will forget that first flight in IL2 with my new Track IR device...

I followed the development of the sequeal with great anticipation. Then time kept going by and going by, and nothing. Then a change of my position at work took me away from simming much for a while. Then I got more back into it, and started checking out what then was knows as CLOD. This was after the Russian release but before the release in the states.

After reading up on the forums, I decided to hold off. Then after the release here in the states, and reading up some more, I decided to hold off longer. Then about 7-8 weeks ago, reading about this new patch, I decided to go ahead and pull the trigger and purchased it through Steam. The first couple of weeks I spent off and on mapping my controls, building a joystick file for it , for my Cougar HOTAS. I have only flown about 3 hours in it, mainly in the quick missions, then I decided to hold off and wait for this new patch. Performance was "ok", but I decided to just wait and see what the patch brings before really getting into it heavily.

I can certainly understand the frustration many must be feeling. I have to admit, after seeing an update a couple of weeks ago, I fully expected the patch that would be released , to be much further along than apparently what it is now, based on what I have read here. I myself, just do not have the time to spare to go through the efforts of testing this alpha patch release and providing the feedback to help, if I did I certainly would. But it will remain in a holding pattern for me, until probably it is an official patch updated through Steam.

I really don't view it as I have anything to lose. I would love to have the glory of the sim available to me that most hope CLOD will be. Yes, I paid full price on Steam, but it is not really that much money - I have certainly spent more and gotten far less. I do hope they get it to where the majority would like to see it, and if the sequel proves to be very good I will not hesistate to get it as well, but I will wait like I did with CLOD to be sure it is.

In the meantime I have other good flight sims to entertain me while I wait, granted not a good WWII sim like I want more than anything, but I will patiently wait to see the end result of this latest patching process, and hope for good things for all...

Is it just me, or does the misspelled title of this post seem somewhat ironic? :) The actual truth, if this poll is anything to go by, is that the vast majority of users have seen a performance increase, which was the purpose of this update. I also believe that a lot of those that voted ‘Similar performance’ had good frame rates to start with, and haven’t noticed that increasing graphic settings has a minimal impact on performance (which would result in them voting ‘Better performance’ if they had a chance to vote again).

B6 stated that there were some known errors in the patch that they were working on, and hopefully they will be addressed soon, but for most users the promised performance increase is a reality.

Perhaps, but if they can pinpoint the issues they can update those features and optimize them.

Well it looks like the penny finally dropped? ;)

I guess your statement above is as close as you can come to admitting you were wrong?

That being BS post referred to the patch as 'alpha' from the start and that you just 'missed' it when you read it.

So with that said everyone should take note that all your posts prior to this moment stemmed from you having the wrong impression of the 'purpose' of this patch..

That is to say people should now be able to understand why you were so upset, because you didn't realize the purpose of this patch.

For those that are still confused see my sig.

For some yes and for some no..

That is the nature of dev provided public alpha patch testing..

Which was explained clearly in BS initial post!

Based on your responce it appears you are still a little confused as to the purpose of this patch!

Thus people should STILL disregard your comments on this patch

Feel free to read my sig again..

Because we all know now how you tend to 'miss' things the first time you read them.

That would be the impression someone would get if they didn't understand the purpose of a dev provided public alpha test patch..

But that is not the impression someone would get if they understood the purpose of a dev provided public alpha test patch..

Uh...anybody know the

1.06.17582

No. I’ve run the ‘Black Death’ track a number of times in both versions, and haven’t noticed anything missing. There are some minor graphic differences (the explosion’s concussion for eg.), and one or two errors (bomb craters seen through the BF109), but the engine’s rendering speed has been greatly enhanced, for me anyway. I am one of the lucky few (?) who have experienced a huge improvement in frame rates, 70% in terms of the BD track at the same settings. I have been able to increase the detail level since with almost no reduction in performance .

I also test by flying around at low altitude over Dover, blowing up the fuel depot and checking frame rates with the effect in view and not. With VSYNC enabled the frame rate stays almost constantly at my screen’s refresh rate, only dipping to the low 30’s when getting very close to the fire.

I am currently flying the ‘Operation Sealion’ missions with all graphic settings on ‘High’, and it runs flawlessly. I do have to put up with the ‘blue lines’ error (due to my particular gfx card, which is annoying), but I notice them less when involved in the game.

I must admit to being very surprised and impressed with the performance improvement, if not by some of the more irritating errors, but have hope that these will be addressed soon. All things considered, a large step forward in my opinion. (Although I have wondered whether one of AMD’s recently ‘released’ staff members has ended up at 1c, and slipped some Bulldozer optimisations into the code :grin: )

Uh..

Poor pud.. Seems you and Tree have the same reading problems.. Read what BS wrote in his inital post again and I think you will see the word 'alpha' twice.. Note not talking about the 'title' of the thread, the 'content' of the thread

It just says Beta in the title. If you read BlackSix's post, you'll see it's an alpha patch.

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To add links and updates..

But as many have tried to tell you here in this thread (maybe you should go back and read what they said a 2nd time?)

The description that I have in my link, that contains the qualifiers of 'alpha' in relation to the patch was there from the start and never changed

Nice try!

But no sale

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Fixed that for ya

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its funny how some people say 'see you in ROF' not realizing the birthing process of ROF is similar to CLOD's. OR maYBe selective memory or something.

the OP's truth would be true IF if the devs stopped working on clod and said 'new sim working on are we . . .'

but we get updates and they are trying to fix it.


aND TO +1 on people saying its a alpha beta patch. just read B6's post.

nothing else needed. someone said there isn't a number, but B6 has it in the original post.

again, selective memory or selective reading.

lens post is not new. Its the "I am a IL-2 1946 fan, and oleg n devs had enough time to make CLOD, and the devs were supposed to fix the US release, and the fans were conned because its taking too long." type of post

And then upset of the moscow being the working game and CLOD should be it, whine.

that's the standard whine n cheese post, and i WAS surprised it was rehashed like a hollywood blockbuster.


But the truth is devs and B6 are telling us what is going on. WIP, patch not released. They are working on the game.

Also remember the magnitude of what was promised. It's huge. just the code that connects the weather / climate / air currents / propwash affecting your FM is huge. And that's not including the FM code specific to your ship or the code of the weather / propwash / air currents / other ac propwash etc which is probably just as big or probably bigger.

its alot to model and to put it into code . . . its going to take a long time.

This thread,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...nter_01May.jpg

.... Fixed that for you........:twisted: :mrgreen:

For me the game ran and specially looked a lot better last year than it does now. This is the problem. They chopped off everything that made this game look stunning and in the end I'm losing performance. How on earth do you explain that?

Alpha-patch in order to help find and squash the crash-bug that many have been struggeling with?

trolls brought the game down not maddox.
 

this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch is because of all the little fing crybaby trolls that wont shut the hell up until they get what they want when they want it, they forced Maddox to release this patch pre-maturly because of all they're bitching. it was fine the way it was. so don't blaim the company for this blaim the snot nose brats who have no life other than going on fourms and bitching all the live long day. Black Six said this patch was in no way shape or form ready, but everyone's constant qqing forced them to do this now everyone is on bitching again about how bad the patch sux, its like no $%^&*#@ DUH! maybe this time they will learn to wait for them to finish something rather than bitching about it.

So you are telling me they intentionally made an ugly looking and bad running patch specially to help find the bugs this very patch has introduced?:lol:

The crash-bug has been in the game for far longer than this patch has been available, so no :P

I've never had an issue with crashing, however, and I haven't installed this alpha-patch. I'll at least wait until the Beta-patch is ready before I do that.

If the patch is definitely, absolutely, really, really a Alpha why did they call it a BETA in the title?

Not that it makes any difference to the patch contents or to me, they could of called the patch "Clarence" for all i care.

That would be called a feckup, and hey, sometimes it happens.

Great post. I agree on 100pct. Just short note. Some of members have found out this painful truth just few days after first release. They were banned, ridiculed, expelled from this community. The MOST sad thing around this game is how slow death of IL2 game affected IL2 community. There were never ever such intolerance, such hatred. It was in fact IL2 community itself which kept this game for so long, when Oleg and his boys just ignored community. And how this community was rewarded for a decade of support, loyalty, patience and DIY culture?


And to the people who keep saying that critics are to blame... Yeah! When the critics will be silenced everything will be good. Next patch... alpha or beta or just PATCH, will be fine. All critics will come back and will beg you on the knees for forgiveness just to be allowed to be part of this GREAT community again...

Nope, sorry. Just lack of your reading comprehension. You manage to find a new low everytime. Blaming 1C/BlackSix for everything.

How come anti aliasing still does not work in the "new" engine? Any ideas?

incoveniently for some (it seems) what AoA says is correct though....







Actually... constructive criticism is welcomed by all, it is the constant whinging and bitching (combined with thread disruption) which brought the stick out.

How many times to people have to harp on the same 'ol same 'ol?
What, exactly, does anyone think they would achieve by constantly whinging?

Free speech, doesn't mean you can say whatever the heck you feel like...

I cannot imagine what the developers will say in the next update. With half the people on here having all these problems still, I do hope they don't just say the patch is nearly complete but for a few remaining bugs..Well I do hope they say that but only if it's true.

The only thing I want out of this game is a good constant FPS and CTD gone. Can someone please explain how 7 months of fixing has made little difference when I have a computer that is more then capable of running any game. 1 year on and we are still at alpha stage of testing a patch that will bring us better FPS and no crashes? I'm all for that but I cannot help but think we should be a lot further on by now. Specs below.

i7 930 Overclocked 4.0ghz
Gainward phantom Geforce 680GTX 2mb
4Gig Ram
Raptor HD

Works on mine perfectly, so did you install the patch properly?

Although I do +1 Phil's post, I am not at the stage of throwing in the towel just yet.

I do feel aggrieved that so-long after it's initial release we are still at Alpha/Beta patch release to try and fix the release day issues.

It does also grate with me that while players have been waiting to get a stable version of the release day software, 1C proudly talk about/advertise the new software they want us to buy.

The sad thing is most of us are here because of the rose tinted glasses we have for IL2:1946, which is still going strong due to TD, but UP and HSFX Mods have made the online servers a niche place where on occasion, one Mod pack will work on one Server and so people can't be bothered to switch. The old-days where everyone could join any server as the patch numbers were the same has sadly long-gone!

So now the online WW2 playing community is looking for the next great thing and CloD promised/promises to be that.

It seems a lot of the crashes I read about are online though and once-more this means the online community is suffering.

I have posted before that loading up 1946 and taking a flight in a large battle at 10000m, with contrails all around, made me grin like a Cheshire Cat and I hope that one-day I'll fly a P-47 or Mustang in CloD on an escort mission.

My irritation at 1C is the prolonged wait to even get the initial release stable, when we already know it shouldn't have been launched.

If anyone remembers the original IL2, just look at how many missions and options and aircraft came with that. I mean 31 flyable aircraft and 40 non-flyable!

Compare that to CloD. Yes I realise that the detail is much greater but after the development time I would have hoped for a few more aircraft and one of them NOT a G.50!!! So many aircraft that took part in BoB and we get a G.50?

Anyway, as we have sat and waited for the next (if you build it they will come) patch hopes get raised that we can touch the nirvana of IL2 and then once more they are dashed on the concrete runway.

I honestly feel that once the launcher issues have been fixed.....that's it until the BoM. If they can stop the game CTD, then they will say "the players are satisfied and now we can let them have the features we promised in the original.....by paying for the sequel!"

Now hand on heart, I am stupid enough/brave enough to actually buy the sequel as I want to fly the best simulator out there. There isn't a sim (ww2 of-course) that can touch the level of detail. Honestly the first time I hit some Hydraulics on an enemy aircraft and the undercarriage started to lower....and then I burst the tyre, I realised that this was the detail I wanted.

The thing is, if they are spending most of their time creating the 'new' BoM and making sure it includes the dynamic weather, the fixes, the extras, the blah, blah, blah, well I don't think that there is any reason not to give it a 'punt'.

I am concious and aware though, that for me that will be last-chance saloon for 1C in my book. If it doesn't include those features, if it doesn't fix all that they promised, then that will be it. How can you trust a company that takes your money and doesn't provide what it said it will. I think too that there would be recourse as it would surely be a case of obtaining money by deception?

However, it's not done yet, the patch is not complete, the BoM is not complete........nothing is complete?

I will be greatly annoyed though if the main bug fix that really does fix everything, just happens to come along at the right time for it all to work nicely with the BoM update...that would be a stroke of sheer coincidence....surely?

However, for now I can play the waiting game. I have IL2, I am Beta testing War Thunder, I have other games i can play but I also have CloD, installed on my hard drive, waiting for the next patch and although the wait will hurt.....what else can i do? Moaning and winging about it wont make a patch come any quicker, it'll just make me frustrated for longer.

So, I'll wait for the patch and I will buy BoM but I think deep down that is because 1C have me on "The Hook"

http://fliiby.com/file/857807/9dcf8jxqdg.html

I will however be honest (why not) and say that tree and lensman do have my upmost support, because as much as I am a lover of the 1C creation, I do think there is so-much more that could have been done to stop so much animosity.

MP

Yes I did.

Could you kindly post a couple of screen shots of perfectly working AA, and describe your settings (whether set in game or forced via driver).

It is amazing how users can have so varying results with this patch.

I will do that now, give us a minute.

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/54...597571F8AAF6F/

This is on high settings vsync on with AA @4. Of course the forests and buildings are on medium.

Exactly what features have they removed with patches?

Also you seem to have ingored what this alpha patch is for... Namely capturing and reporting crashes that they are trying to find.

Spot on and some people on here wonder why people are moaning. I would just like to know what it is they have supposed to have fixed? It's not the stuttering because it still remains as bad, it's not the clouds or grass and it's not even the FPS or the CTD. So what is it?

I think the issue is they have to sort the engine out to achieve these other things, why fix something in the short term if you are going to have to redo it later because you rewrote the engine. That is my view anyhow.

Maybe not for you but ~50% have had an improvement, I am one of them better fps, only one ctd.

If your having CTD report them.

Can you put up a video with FPS and fly through some clouds and over grass while fighting enemy and I'll start to believe it if I see it. I just cannot see how a rig with my capabilities can not cut it where as yours can, I got 11 FPS through clouds lol. My specs are below. What are yours?

i7 930 overclocked 4.0ghz
Geforce 680GTX
4 gig ram
Raptor HD

See sig and I will get a video later.

I have the same motherboard as you the same CPU the only thing different is I have 4 gigs ram, but that's only because you lose the overclock if you add more ram like you have done. My graphics card beats yours and apart from your card we have more or less the same rig. How then can it be different computers causing the problems if yours is very much like mine? Anyways will be interesting to see if you can get a video up for me to look at and just make sure the FPS are showing if you do.

is that an SSD you're running, Krupi?

What is your Operating System, Potnoodles?

Ah yes, you complained about CTDs. Probably fixed as the alpha patch already fixed it for some users completely. But you found another reason to complain, exactly as expected.

So maybe if you don`t believe them anymore and don`t see anything interesting happening with this sim anytime in the future, then why are you even here? What pushes you to post the same drivel again and again?

That goes to you and others with same posts. I suggest you people read Uther`s thread about trolling.

Yes they have removed them in the ALPHA PATCH as they are still trying to get them working in the new engine....!!!

I have everything on high apart from buildings which is on medium... I have tried original textures but my gpu does not have enough VRAM, shadows roads and grass are also on.

Yes but cod isn't on it yet :D

Windows 7 Ultimate 64

I don't think you have quite grasped what this alpha patch is meant for tree...

Oh hang on let's not bring something ancient up again... How about we try something new ~50% OF THE PPL THAT TRIED THE ALPHA NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT!

You must be really bored with your life if you spend most of your time complaining about this game...

Alright Krupes, steady on mate

We was all playing having a laugh few months ago..lets not get personal

Maybe just maybe it because they have spent the last 7 months redoing the engine...

Redoing what? it is still the same... come on... still CTD, still stutters, still awful textures... how you know it is new engine, when it looks even worse than before, cuz they tuned down texture quality and no-clouds?