Can't wait till they're finnish ..

Thanks for the update. Beautiful work!

My experience is eerily similar Gunny, and I can't wait to get back to the snow covered wastes to do some serious hurting to those beautifully modeled German vehicles.

I guess everybody remembers where the IL-2's soft spot is? That's right, keep your revi's on those oil coolers.;) One 15mm hit should do the trick.

Thanks B6 Really Thanks for the Update....please continue them...is there any chance of patch readme anytime soon?

Congrats to you guys on the little ones... Ahhh The miracle of life is a precious thing!
We truly are Stardust....

they are russian! I don't think that will change... :grin:

As I remember it from the previous "BoM" shots they said they where done in the "current" engine that we use too... It makes sense as the guys doing new objects and landscapes have been working on their stuff for quite a while - and in the mean time the 3D engine guys try to fix the engine so every other build is probably rather shaky and incomplete. They would naturally like to have the old engine that is "stable" in single player at least ;)

Re. the washed out effect of white winter paint, I guess that the "weathering" effect is tuned to wash out progressively the light white overpaint, isn't it?

Blacksix, will the team be on holidays the next two weeks?

thanks for sharing airplanes and not tanks this time ;)

Looking at the IL2 flying over the Autumn landscape in the second set of shots there is what appears to be a bright spot of light in front of the left wing and something similar in the gun flash on the right wing. Are these nothing in particular or are they a new style of tracer round?

Definitely gun fire, you can see the puffs of smoke trailing....

It starts............................................ .............

Interesting find... I actually thought they used the old engine for the BoM tests, but this definitely does not look like the CloD engine in that aspect!

Are they on holidays again? Jesus do they ever work in Russia?

nice pics, and thnx for the update :) B6 are the DLL's still in .NET or have they been rewritten in C++?

S!

Hi BlackSix. We all look forward to the patch, but I agree with this.

screenshots don't look better than in old IL-2 game. What are these strange reflections in the IL-2 cockpit? Overall, not very convincing and a lame try to calm down the customers.

Do you realise how early these pictures are? This release is a long way off.

These sorts of comments are pointless negativity.

It's the same engine as cliffs of dover , so.....

Game engine and model detail are two different things:rolleyes:

Well most people have a hard time understanding this, so give him a break.

Hope the new patch is out soon.

Your right, hope the patch comes soon also

Beautiful Cementer, true tank of the skies.

nice to see some damage models .. just how German pilots would have seen it, shot to bits but still flying home! :grin:

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Thanks for the screenshots BlackSix!

Everyone said amen when these images are worthy graphics IL-2 1946. Excuse me but the screen can be ugly.

sorry for all people here, but when i see this pics first time i said to me : It's il2 1946 screenshots!!! And it's looks like really!! It's not a joke! Sorry for the team dev but i think you can do better!!!

I'm little bit disapointed about this game as well a lot of pilot here, the minimum you can do for the moment it's a good way of communication with a better friday update!!!! It's not a titan work to show us YOUR JOB!

The end of the tunnel looks very very far!


Wake up dev team!:!:

txs Blacksix i hope after this explanation we not have to read every day a new post asking when the patch comes out 8)

you sir are an ungreatfull little @#%% !!!!!!! if you know better show us what you can then? produce a nice skin or so. this community can do without people like you. At least this kind of attitude says something about your age, but then again that makes me gloomy about the future of mankind.

Just ignore the ungrateful and slightly mental members here. Evenutally they will die out and everybody will be loving the updates. ;)

hahaha yeah and slightly is an understatement :):-P

Woooww, go slowly man!!! I say what i think about the friday update ok!

You are a mega fan about this pics and the game?? ok i'm happy for you, i respect your choice!

All i said in this post is'nt injurious! Take you pills rowddy:grin:

Don't be worried about the future of mankind!!! But you can learn about democratic debate on a forum!!!

And unlike you i don't insult you behind "@#%%" caracters!!! and you critic my age......

LMAO so people should be greatfull for a product they will be paying for, money they worked hard to earn :confused: Greatfull dont come into it mate, its supply and demand, do you get greatfull on the Colgate website for the toothpaste you buy or the tiolet roll you wipe your butt with?
Next time just show your true colours call him an ingreat cos you want to insult him dont dress it up with pompus superiority because you believe he is younger than you.

Thanks for the update B6, hanging in there for the beta.

I love the updates, does that mean one cannot be honest with his opinions? I also thought at first glance it was IL-2 1946 winter landscape but of course it looks a little rough, it's WIP and there's probably a looooong way to go before it's finished, CloD terrain didn't look as fantastic as it does now in the beginning. Some people have short memory. This is not the German Reichstag circa 1942 is it? it's an internet forum...about a game, chillax! :)

I must admit this game had a future but what has been seen the dev, they'll kill him. And stop sucking luthier, take control of ground objects, real simers,
is of no use. Debug the game and after we talk.

I believe that from a technical point of view your are wrong. If you put side by side that pic and the equivalent from Il2:1946 you will notice a huge amount of improvements, e.g. the more detailed winter terrain textures, the denser and more detailed ground objects, the quality of lighting and shadows not to speak about the detail of models and skins.

One could suspect that you just wanted to throw some of your mud at the developers, on that respect. but I'm sure that you didn't have that idea.

Cheers,
Insuber

Do yourself a favor. Play some 1946, do some screens equivalent to this update. Then compare.Or maybe you could show all of us how this is 1946.

Thanks for the update, I imagine it will be fun tankbusting especially considering the level of detail the ground objects have.

I am a little concerned that we still can't see any evidence of anti-aliasing however. This game would look 100x better with an anti-aliasing solution, it doesn't even have to be a complex method. Simply adding an AA method such as FXAA which is incredibly easy to implement (so easy that it has already been done via third-parties) would do wonders to the game and give a real sense of advancement for the graphics engine when the beta graphics patch rolls around.

MG is a victim of their own quality. Today we see that 46's quality was far ahead. What they've done is to keep all positive aspects from FB/46 and put more details into it.

That's why today's screenshots look very similar to old ones. But if you'd take a closer look you'll see the difference. And if you'd think twice you'd realize that there's much more work required to make a very good product even better.

My best pleasure it will be to PLAY with this game and encourage dev team (i respect all the work they are do for us : simmers)

I just say that this lasts pics are not a quality of COD but seems to be il2 1946 (specialy winters pics).

The game itself, in its roots, is very imperfect....that's why devs make a patch... no?

Finally i think the friday updates pics must be in relation with the patch and not for other add-on (refer to the friday update with the only tank, ok it was beautyful)

Thank's for the next patch,

That is exactly right. Visually the differences appear quite superficial at first glance but on closer inspection they are in a different league. Just look at a cannon barrel and compare it with ones in IL2 1946. The latter is quite 2D, flat and crude in comparison. The cockpits speak for themselves. The landscape is also limited by the computer resources needed to render it. You just cannot have 100% real landscape and still play the game. The biggest advances will be the ones you cannot see under the hood.

Thanks for the update - good luck with the particle stutters...
:grin:

Good Luck !!

I did buy the orirganl IL2 because the name was IL2 and I coud hope to fly a ..IL and other Soviet planes. I shall wait and hope thank's a lot.:-P

Just noticed


THE AA IS WORKING

in those Screenshots!

Is it? To me it still looks jaggy

Dont be silly...of course you can have %100 real....it just requirres a Xeon12 a 4 way SLI (7950 3 GB) and 32 GB or ram:shock::mrgreen:

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=24140

Now that picture should be on the "recommended system requirement" on the DVD case.:grin:

Thanks for the honest update.

No that still won't do it although upping the ram to 64 Gb might be getting close. :-)

And lets not forget that as additions to FB/1946 we got an improved flight model that was designed for Clod and new clouds too (improved quality clouds, and an overcast cloud cover). If the Maddox team hadn't given away all that free stuff we would have been totally overwhelmed by the detail in CloD.


Many thanks to all involved with the update, it is much appreciated. Carry on the good work!

Love the screenshots,Thanks very much for your Honesty,I'm sure when the patch is released it will be Brilliant!
Cheers!

Going to have to release the Beta patch at some time fellas. It's not a BETA patch if everything works.

Yes, but for me the micro-stutters caused by particles are the game shagger. No solution to that and it's all a bit pointless from my perspective, but if there's a solution for the CTDs and some other issues why not stagger the patch? Why not a patch that generally improves FPS, deals with the CTDs that so irritate on-line players etc, but I'll have to wait for the solution to the micro-stutters that plague my off-line play? That seems less ambitious perhaps but would incrementally improve player's experience.

The micro stutters are in the game as it is , if you have other improvements then why not release what they have like when they first brought out this beta product. What is the difference.

I'm a beta tester for 'Project Cars' and they have updates every week.

Anyone know if or why the windscreen is divided up?

I'm assuming you mean the sections in the new Il2 model's windscreen?

I'm suspecting that is an early type of Russian armored glass.

Fire up original IL2 and look through the front pane of the cockpit glass, you will see a diamond shape line. Same thing, just not modeled in the fidelity of the CloD engine.

If the current issue is particle effects, then what good would releasing a beta do now? Each round produces a bullit's particle effect at the end of the weapon. If you're in a pattern of four Hurricanes that's potentially 24 guns. Flying against a squadron of He111's adds up to a whole lot of particle effects rendering at the same time. IDK about you, but I plan on bringing down a lot of those big boys down - which will cause even more particle effect and stutter/freezes. Add in varying taxi dust, AA fire and what not, you can see how much the effect is involved in the game. I'd imagine on many PC's this would amount to a veritable slide show.

I didn't catch (and probably should look to confirm) but if correcting the REVI/tracer effect potentially caused or is linked to the particle effect, then what could possibly be next in the potential chain of issues - reflections, lighting effects, grass? If that's the potential problem that could compound week after week, I think they are right to not release it.

I've heard it said here that tracking down errors and perfecting an engine takes 90% of developement time. (someone could probably quote this more accurately quote than I, but you get the idea)

While I'm disappointed the patch isn't on my hard drive yet, I think this is the most prudent position for the team to take. To them I say good luck.

THAT'S what that is? IDK why, but I assumed it was some strange gunsight or markers. I didn't fly the Sturmo often so I never gave it thought. Learn something new every day. Ha!

Your screens of clodo 1946 take a monumental slap by wop...

The systems modelling and DM alone are nowhere near CloD in any of those arcade games. They don't want to be a sim so don't judge them as a sim. But CloD (or BoM) don't want to be an arcade game with a pretty face but no particular systems depth so don't judge it by those standards.

I am not a developer but I do not think there is a direct link between a graphic or graphics engine and simulation. With all bugs sorry but CLODO is arcade...

Exactly so keep your uneducated opinions to yourself, or else you just look like a fool. :rolleyes:

While details on the ground, its quality, texture, clouds, colors, have a role in a game arcade or simulator. And marmot covers the chocolate ...

So gentlemen make me realize that a simulator will necessarily graphics rotten and not the arcade.

I stop and talk to you ... Continue to say Amen.

Graphics are very important, but I hope that you realize that most people here still prefers Il2:1946 over Birds of Prey, despite the latter has stunning graphics, better effects, plenty of colors etc.

Not at all ... WOP pic looks cartoonish, unrealistic, very far from a picture and made to please the eye of FPS players ... what it will be imo.

Not releasing a patch with broken particle system absolutely makes sense, even if the patch is already months overdue.

I really like the screenshots of BoM although they would certainly look even better with AA working :) I can already see myself flying over the Eastern front again. (last time was 2002-2003, and back then IL2 almost cost me my diploma thesis).

In the last years I have played mostly turn based strategy and tactical games (like JA2). But since that genre is dead as a doornail I feel my interest in flight sims is rising again to the old levels. The possibility of a finally working Battle of Britain sim and new Eastern front sim is an absolute dream.

Currently, I still don't own COD, last week I almost succumbed, but without the patch that would be anticlimatic at best. Once the patch is out, I will reconsider. Ah, and Steam has to go too, but I could resign myself to that. Perhaps, probably ..

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oh look, how sweet... new ways of putting the same old same old threat

As much as I would like CloD to succeed, it won't be any time soon. I have access to the WoP beta and there are realism setting that make it close to IL-2 1946. Yes, the idea is to make an MMO accessible to anyone so it's more arcade, but the developer are taking serious simmers' preferences into account. It may look how it looks, but at least it runs smooth and you don't need to sell your soul to get a PC that can run it at 30 fps all the time (hell, I get 60 constant)

Whatever anyone thinks, the sad truth is Gaijin has a current-gen graphics engine that takes advantage of all the expensive hardware we have and CloD is still a bug-ridden stutter fest. From a consumer point of view, all the programming issues are none of my concern. With the problem this sim has, it's not worth the money.

Not very promising then for some of us...I keep looking at this weeks shots of Il-2, very good to see them

So you are telling us that a new 2012 game is only able to get up to the level of a game released in 2001 when it comes to FMs? (not to talk about realism in general)
I hope you are aware that those people that actually did switch to CoD from IL2 1946, despite the bugs and issues, did so because the FM in IL2 feels like child play compared to CoD.

Do not get me wrong, I will give WoP a real chance and am actually looking forward to it, but it is a very focused game with no choice in regards to gameplay. Too many limitations in the game mechanics to come even close to the flexebility CoD offers. Apples and Oranges. From a consumer point of view, there is no alternative to CoD.

If you fail to see the differences between those softwares, I fear you are in the wrong community, the focus here is not on airquake.

One has to ask, Insuber, what reality is within sims in terms of graphics? Are the images we see in CloD just artwork? Of course they are: they are the teams representation of what reality is. Now, if I see the CloD terrain and realise just how far it is from how England actually looks, I would take WoP terrain over CloD any day purely because I actually feel that I am flying over my own country. Yes there are filters and what-not, but it's just another artistic representation at the end of the day.

One day CloD could look photorealistic. It's getting there no doubt. I don't think the screens in this update do the sim justice. I too thought it was 1946 at first glance, and no amount of "show me how 1946 looks like this" will change that.

Last pic, can see an il2 spin down, and beind him, can see a big lake... maybe Black SEA???? :o:o:o

CRIMEA MAP MAYBE?:grin:

correction: "minimum system requirements"


:-P

Or Gulf of Finland/Lake Ladoga for Siege of Leningrad/Winter War?? :grin::grin::grin:

WOP Beta? What beta are you talking about? I don't read anything anywhere about a beta for WOP? Are you talking about WOP2? Because all I have read about that is that it will be announced next week that it is being shelved.

WoP
 

WoP was a joke. Played it for an hour then deleted it. Worst buy ever.
Didn't get any feeling of flying and the damage modell is horrible: Same ugly fire and black smoke / explosion every time. An Arcade game for people who suck at flying

I was was just confused as to why the glass would be divided. Wouldn't that create a weak point? In il2 1946 i thought it was just an aiming device (as it looks so). Maybe it is cheaper to replace just sections of the windscreen.

I'm not an expert in FMs and I have no experience in flying airplanes with more then 180hp, but I have a private pilot license and for the first time ever playing a game I feel like I'm actually flying.. :)

In the beginning I cared a lot about the COD graphics and bugs, but not anymore, now it is just a pure pleasure and sometimes the graphics are stunning (flying online over water or near the coast).

Why do you think all these other "simulators" show 90% of there trailers/videos from outside view?

Because it sucks to sit on the inside... ;)

I have a different opinion about it. Fortunately it will be free and everyone will be able to try it.

Good news is it will bring many new players to flight sims as it is more accessible, not as demanding as Il-2:CloD for mainstream gamers.

I know it may be totally unrelated but in the DCS series some types of micro stuttering is cause by intel speedstep tecnology. Only fix for certain systems is to disable it in the BIOS....

Early releases of DCS:WH BETA had the exact same problem of firing the gun causing FPS drop/stuttering(not related to speed step). It could be you guys are dealing with a similar issue.

Anyways thanks for the update. Good luck on squashing the final bugs.

and they still, after solving the gun smoke, have a bit of an issue with signal/ chimney smoke.

Something I look forward to very much so is Russia. I was in a fight with a Yak last night in Spits VS 109s MODS 13 minutes........ 13 MINUTES!!! Talk about hands shaking and every swear word you can think of coming out of your month. We were both terrible. I think he was out of ammo and maybe a little hurt my F4 was fine but do you think I could hit this fellow. NO! I'll post this on my channel and you guys can sit back and laugh. I'll post it in pilots lounge because it's not a COD subject. Well it sort of is because it refers to Russia witch will be coming up in the future. In the F4 I'm most at home. At least I kept airborne. Some of the time we were on the deck trying to stall each other out. The FMs in COD are probably a little heavier but I think the F4 will for sure have more zip to it and auto prop pitch. I will love that.

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to the forums, but have been lurking for some time.
I've joined today, to hopefully receive an intelligent response to my question. This thread seems the most apt place to post it.

I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to certain purchases. The purchase of CoD is one of those times.

From what I've read: there is no disputing some of the issues this game has suffered, I however firmly believe that no game is without bugs. The end user is the best quality assurance any developer could ask for. It's unfortunate, but it's also reality.
The GFX look nice, but I would rather it ran smooth with decent frames, than have all the glorious eye candy in slideshow mode.

If the trade off is turning down options to gain fps elsewhere, then I can live with that. (That's what modern game tweaking is about anyhoo)

I don't feel the need to post my system specs, lets just say my PC won't be an issue.

OK, my questions.

In it's current state (today) how is its performance?
Does it run well?
Does it still suffer from awful FPS I have seen stated so often in these forums?
or on a high end rig is this now negligible?
Does it prefer Nvidia cards, AMD or no preference?
Should I just wait until the update mentioned in this thread, and ask again?

Thanks in advance to all intelligent responses.
Hippy

+1 !

-got prox 15000 hours here..so, yes I`m an "old-timer" but thats the simulated planes to.. ;)

Thx for the honest update!

~S~

WOP = World Of Planes. I'm on the beta and is serious competition , actually far infront of CLOD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNBhHK4VWdE
One thing to remember 'World of Warplanes' is NOT this title. They are seperate and always come up in youtube searches as one and the same.

I don't know what your aspects of comparison are, but WOP is not a simulation, first of all... so what are we talking about here?

Oh wait, I've just read your previous posts in different threads... man, what are you, trying to spread a virus with that WOP infatuation of yours?

Just ignore machoo, he's a troll.

Let's try to keep the update thread clean, it has actually been pretty ok so far compared to previous update threads. Please only litter in the "Crystal Ball" thread.

maybe you will tell that mariokart is a concurrent to Rfactor :D

Do you think they will put AA and new clouds in BoM "simulator" finally?

That video has made me realise how lucky we are with COD. The things that stood out to me ( it could be the compression for youtube but I did watch it in 720 res.) The wall of haze cutting off the view, Crappy water, pathetic fire effects up close make it look like stepping back 10 years.

Give me COD any day.

Why do you people even accept the silly challenge? The troll posting screens of WoP should be deleted or moved to a WoP thread. CloD is soooo much more than graphics! There are so many details about it that, CloD blows WoP out of the sky just thinking about it. Do you even think that it can stand up to it in CEM/FM/DM/realism? As WoP is still in testing , I can`t say for sure, but for 90% it won`t, because it has other product - customer priorities.

But IF you look for graphics only, WoP might be your game.

Hmmm looks pretty good except I think the cockpits in CoD looks more realistic. Does this title have clickable cockpits or is it press one button for start up. I'm sure there's an argument between this title and CoD for FM?
Every time I see a video posted of another title I think that the other title's cockpits look a little cartoony. I do like the imperfections in the glass though.

I'm not a troll. I have both games and I'm telling you World Of Planes is better , you can disagree but you people have to stop going on about 'COD is the king and every other game is crap' . And I'm not an arcade fan , I have spent thousands on simulator hardware.

"Why do you people even accept the silly challenge?"


Umm carguy, what challenge did I accept?

Two different games aiming for totally different types of players, why is anybody comparing the two?! If you want comparisons, compare War Thunder with World of Warplanes, the outcome of that comparison will be very swift though IMO. The only thing you can compare CloD with right now is IL-2 1946 and maybe RoF (because it's a WW1 sim but still on a similar level as CloD).

They are both free to play MMORPG's, that's why they are comparable IMO.