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again i'm not claiming anything as you always want to believe. I just want to give the hint not to be too sure that most of the people who bought this game are satisfied the way it develops. You seem to know that most of them do because of 2 or 3 posts.
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You seem to have me confused with someone that cares about what you have to say.. Know that I don't! And I haven't for some time now! I know your still upset with me for how you got set straight wrt trying to lock my posts back in the AAA forums.. But let it go bud! And if you have anything you want to talk about, feel free to PM me instead of posting tangent topics in this thread. S! |
Mate, I have no personal issues with you at all.
that is completely childish. I don't even post in the modding forums any-more because I haven't played Il-2 1946 for ages. I'm quite bemused by that, as I always thought you were a fairly mature individual. Tangent topics? I have stayed on topic, and have no wish to appear hypocritical, unlike yourself. Irrelevent personal issues aside, it is quite clear why you don't wish to challenge my argument; because it quite clearly embodies the idea of a 'Beta' 'patch' in a rather more fluid, eloquent way than what has been posted previously. But it is a debate, and I'm happy for someone to disagree. At the end of the day, it is just my opinion. So no hard feelings on my part, but I'm sorry that I have upset you. EDIT-to save further posting, the PM part which I misunderstood was that I have no wish to regurgiate past activities and have personal discussions. I only posted here to have my opinion voiced; I didn't expect personal challenge. Moderator, feel free to delete these irrelevent posts if you wish. Thank you. :) |
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i'm very sorry about having disturbed this wonderful thread. i will keep my dumb feedback to holy beta patches for me in future. very sorry again just to talk about this.
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C'mon fub.. PM me and lets get at it.. and yes, I remember you from AAA, you were just the same then, and the whole forum went downhill as soon as the likes of you started berating people who didn't agree with you.. C'mon big boy, lets go! |
that's the way life is... no light without shadow. there will always be dumb people like me.
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Its not the betas what bothers me. In fact we are all using betas on our own. It helps fixing bugs. Its the fact that the game was released in alpha stage and was sold and advertised as complete and working product. Why they dont have dedicated beta team like in ROF? Why the sim wasnt beta tested (obviously wasnt) with help of dedicated beta team before release? This way we could avoid all the mess, hate and BAD ad for this sim.
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Your opinion As I asked someone else in an earlier post Can you point to something advertised on the side of the box that is NOT provided? Something real like "15 FLYABLE AIRCRAFT" when there is only 10 flyable, and not something subjective/debatable like "MOST REALISTIC FLIGHT MODEL" Because I have looked and I don't see anything missing And if you were expecting a 'bug free' software product on DAY ONE Well that is another thread in and of itself that would be along the same lines of not understanding what 'beta' means, but more along the lines of 'unrealistic expectations' Quote:
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But since you brought it up, I would call you ignorant to what 'beta' means, not stupid In that ignorant means your capable of understanding once it is explained to you, where as stupid means you will never get it Thus far you are on the stupid road.. but not so far down that road that you could not turn back to the ignorant fork in the road All it take is for you to muster up enough energy to over come your ego such that you can admit you were wrong about what 'beta' means |
Dunno bout you lot, but i didnt pay, and in no way was led to believe that i was paying, £35 for a beta, and that 6 months on would be only a fraction of the game that was and still is advertised on release.
Away you cut it, we all got ripped. Just because its sort of playable now doesnt make it worth it. Personally I think it all hinges on the next offical patch, because no matter how many fanbois there are here, they cant save it unless they all do something like buy 5 copies a week for the next few months :-P |
The problem is'nt the beta patches, obviously they aren't perfect, they are beta after all.
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There is that 'claim' again.. That we did not receive something that was advertised on the box So, maybe I am missing something that was listed on the box (or STEAM download site) So please.. can anyone point me to something 'REAL' that we did not receive that was advertised? Anyone? Quote:
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I hope im wrong but hey this team isnt the 1C team from the past are far as i know, Not that it should make any difference.
I dont like getting getting into this naming crap but i'll give you one point. The rest, well if your happy with no multi-core ,AA, fullscreen etc etc then cool. But also there were lots of features talked about for years on these forums before release. It guts me that so much was cut also because of this epifilter. Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe. |
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A lot of features were talked about over the past 6+ years of CoD development Most of which did not make it into the initial release But to be fair, a lot of those features were myths that got talked about so much by so many other than 1C that a lot of people think 1C said it Combined that with human nature where we tend to have higher expectations than it is understandable why so many 'feel' let down.. But understanding why people 'feel' let down does not equate to an excuse to act like spoiled brats either! Quote:
Thus the offer still stands Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE? I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back |
Join a 128-player jump-in/jump-out multiplayer mode where battles can last hours, days or even weeks.
Show me to the server plz Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support DX11 support? Be involved in strategic cooperative missions Coops? All flyable aircraft have been painstakingly researched, resulting in incredibly accurate cockpit interiors. Inversed controls, etc, etc And I'd like to meet the guy who got the minimum specs wothout micro- and macrostutters. Minimum: Pentium® Dual-Core 2.0GHz 2GB RAM DirectX® 9.0c compliant, 512Mb Video Card |
Many if not most of the original development team are still working on the development and the development has basically the same business model of supporting this sim and adding new content for years.
Yes many of the features are delayed due to technical and other difficulties, but haven't been dropped. It is what it is, but you have the choice of either throwing the development under the bus, and losing your investment, or support them with a good possibility of many years of top combat flight sim enjoyment. It appears that the development has so far weathered the huge challenge of releasing an unfinished product, hopefully the sales are strong enough to get them through the finishing of this first installment and the release of their next theater. If they make it that far then the development will be secure. Hoping the sim will survive and trashing it every chance you get is totally counter productive. I'm not talking about constructive criticism here. |
Before I reply.. Vengeanze.. Please tell me you are NOT serious? And that you just so upset that you felt the need to try something.. That or you didn't understand the question and the examples I gave showing the difference between 'REAL' vs. 'SUBJECTIVE' features.
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So out of the 5 examples you gave, only 1 comes close, but as noted I would like to know what make you think CoD is not compliant? |
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I'll continue bitching about the missing AI Comms cause that's one example of things that should have been in the 31 march release. Now, anyone seen a Community manager lately? |
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I won't bite cause you always got a nasty bullying undertone. No offense but I prefer debating with others. It's not you, it's me. ;-) |
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I think not Now if your really that un-happy.. Be adult about it and 'let it die' for you! It's easy! There is this option that allows you to un-install the game! I highly recomend that you make use of it! |
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In light of Vengeanze epic fail in an attempt to list missing features..
The offer still stands! Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE? Anyone? I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back |
Ace of shi*es....damn how many posts you did (in a short time) just to show how f**ing si*k you are.....ahaha
I thought your just another hypnotised die hard fan with too much of free time....but ur si*k you dont exist dude....fluushhh!! |
what else should you do while the game's not working ;-)
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I showed you how wrong you were.. But instead of admitting your wrong, or providing an argument to the contrary You decided to take the adult path and attack me personally And to try and imply that the number of post I have in response to those who replied to me some how diminishes the information provided in my posts That might work on the but hurt temper tantrum crowd that expects perfection from a patch with 'beta' in the title But not the rest! So a big gold star for effort But no sale |
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you are a retard....you see when you pay for something maybe you expect to be taken advantage of and to not get a product you paid for....maybe you do not have any dignity and dont care about your self and the stuff you buy (your property) to work....but some people still feel that when they buy something it should work as advertised....generally when companies have their customers test their products they get paid...and sometimes they get paid QUITE WELL....That is why people are mad....they feel that they didnt buy a game that could be considered in a beta state...i could care less as i am patient and know that they WILL get the game in order, and until then i would save alot of heartache by simply playing other games i enjoy and participating in other activities that i enjoy....its that easy... |
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The offer still stands! Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE? Anyone? I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back And can someone take the time to explain to Tvr that most machines is not all machines, and if you have time tell him how unrealistic it is to expect prefection in any software release these days.. On only has to take a look at all the service packs for each windows OS to get a clue.. And maybe even point out that for every one game he can find that never had a patch I can point to hundreds that did |
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Thanks AoA!!!
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There you go again. Managing the past again.
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I've been wondering the same thing after having read all 11 (oops 15 pages) pages during my lunch break, and having not been enlighten. In Australia we have a term for things like this, it's usually includes the substance that is found in sewers and the action of mixing it in a bowl ;) |
Same problematic situation as when you buy a car from a friend or family. One tends to overlook the problems so when the car crash down all you're left with is a bad taste in your mouth and an aching behind.
You guys have become "Luthiers best friend" and can't take a step back to see the short-comings. I'm aware that this thread ain't progresing anywhere but I like to b*llsh!t so...! :-D |
what is hilarious is that Im flying this sim every night now and "ACE OF ACES" is nowhere....because he is polluting this board...is he a kid? I hope so...
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this was advertised by steam as a feature, not sure if we got it tbh, and didnt they change it in the recent beta patches, and perhaps i read something about the whole 3d engine being changed??
New Groundbreaking 3D Engine – Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and environments. heres something advertised on the ubisoft webshop, do we have these working yet?? Be involved in strategic cooperative missions |
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But for most I think they expect far TOO MUCH from thier systems! I am using above the recomended specs on a dedicated gaming rig and by no means is it top notch either. My game runs fine on full settings, but maybe I'm one of the lucky ones? I don't know..My specs are at the bottom of post. MY POINT HERE IS: To post as much detail including your crash dump files and system specs as well as your current graphics drivers and even sound drivers etc for the developers to look over and allow them to determine what the issues are....and thus move foward with beta to an official release sooner rather than later.. I myself have had the installer stop working and drop out of game forcing a game restart but have not got any crash dumps at this stage. Folder is empty? MY SYSTEM CPU Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4 Ghz (Quad Core) MB Gygabyte GA-78LMT-S2P GPU Gigabyte 1gb GTX550 ti Nvidea Drive Ver 280.26 RAM G.Skill 8gb DDR3 1333mhz OS Win 7 Home Premium 64Bit OEM PSU A-Power M80 Plus 550W 80+ Certified CASE Antec 300 gaming tower with twin 140mm fans 1x inlet 1x exhaust MONITOR Acer 21.5" V223HQBD 5ms Monitor HDD WD 3.5" 500gb Blue Sata 3 7200rpm JOYSTICK Saitek Cyborg evo |
your game runs "fine" nudge?? im sorry but i think your perception of fine and everyone else's must be out of whack, as looking at your screenshots there, the cpu and gfx card you have, there is no way the game would run "fine" on high settings, especially the settings your using, christ, if its true then we all need to build your system.
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IMHO the composition of textures, lighting and 3d objects provides a much more pleasant result than CloD. Oh, and RoF has working FSAA... ;) Of course, your mileage may vary. http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ellum/rof1.jpg |
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i could show you rise of flight running at a constant 60 fps, during actual game play, not some silly black death benchmark,the old il2 also ran at 60 fps during game play, ya can have a full shaker of salt with this comment, watch you dont get any on ya though, you might melt :) |
Lmao butt hurt rof fanboy I appreciate both games but rof has some flaws it's not my fault that your too blind to see this, but it's nice to have a taste of what bliss went through for simply for stating his opinion when he was with syn.
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BUT THE POINT OF MY POST IS NOT ABOUT MY SYSTEM BUT ABOUT OTHERS...and there crash.dmp files and specs etc so the info can be used to address the short comings of the game....A WELL KNOWN FACT THESE SHORT COMINGS...(The developers already know all this what they need is constructive feedback with supporting evidence that they can use to move forward. But for some reason everyone continues to state the obvious without providing the info the developers have requested. YES post the issues you are having but also POST the info requested or dont be a part of the Beta testing for the patches PLAIN AND SIMPLE thats my point. OK SYN_Repeat I havesearched all 47 of your posts, but alas not once have you provided any details with regards to usable info such as crash.dmp or even your system specs??????? As this is my point exactly, so I ask you this...what are your specs mate? And what game settings are you using with what results? At least from us (All on these forums) doing this we can maybe try each others settings to see if we get the same results or different? My bet is that you are using an ATI GPU? For those having issues if you have a spare HDD try a clean Operating Sytem install and running the game from there. |
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Will better myself and try to do that tonite. Luthier specifically asked us who experienced lowered fps to send him our specs. I'll do that together with a list of things I think they need to address asap. Then I'll come back and b!tch some more. ;-) |
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Black Death is supposed to push a system. What is the ROF equivalent? Oh! And the language! I work with troubled children and I expect the sort of language you have been using at work (I'm paid for putting up with it) But like a lot others, I use this forum as a form of recreation and basically the words you are using are offensive and are against the rules for the forum. I sure you are mature enough to understand it is uncalled for. Have a nice day! |
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@ nudge, check my posts again mate, there are a few where i have stated my system specs, i have discussed ATI crossfire, in the last beta and before then i had the game running fairly well, not satisfied, but better than some of the poor souls on here who are truly dissapointed, and that is with ATI crossfire, my statement to you was that your opinion of fine using those settings and an inferior rig, and my settings which are lower, are different. I7 870 @ 4.2ghz 2x ATI 4890 1GB crossfire (working @ 42% per card, varies with settings (scaling) ) 8GB ram 24" monitor win 7 64 nudge, explain to me what exactly is a dedicated gaming machine?? even an xbox or playstation isnt one of these anymore. |
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In all honesty I haven't seen anything ground breaking in gaming for quite some time, in terms of rof and cod... The damage model visuals in rof and the detail in the cod cockpits are the only things that have left me slightly stunned... But ground breaking... nope, close yes, but I'm sure both games have surprises in store for us.
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Luthier bothers with the forum as he is obviously a masochist. That or his self-esteem is so mighty he feels the need to be brought back down a bit so comes here for a read.
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I can only play with much higher framerates. Games (particularly console ones) locked at 30fps use film-like tricks such as motion blur to achieve the illusion of smooth movement. (This is coincidentally also why crysis was 'playable' for most people with frame rates in the 20s-30s) http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frame...humans_see.htm |
krupi, check back a few pages, ace of aces was asking what was advertised what we havent got, the ground breaking 3d engine was advertised on two websites, the clod official, and ubisoft, you admitted yourself then that we aint got whats advertised in that respect and that its not ground breaking.
why do you keep bringing up RoF? why do you think im comparing ground models in clod to RoF, ive not mentioned that once, never have i said RoF models are superior either in number or quality, your just making that bs up.... lol, lmao, douche......its just a forum dude |
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Once again...YOU HAVE COMPLETLEY MISSED THE POINT OF MY FIRST POST But to answer the question of FPS I am getting an avg of 20fps with fraps on those settings with my system what are you getting with yours? If you are getting this or more then whats your problem are you have game locks/freezes/crashes? If so then I refer to the original reason and topic for my first post and ask why have you not uploaded crash dumps etc? I was under the impression that the game did not support dual cards..so i guess this could be the root of your problem given the following info. Pixel Rate The GeForce GTX 550 Ti will be much (more or less 35%) more effective at FSAA than the Radeon HD 4890 1GB, and able to handle higher resolutions better. (explain) GeForce GTX 550 Ti 21600 Mpixels/sec Radeon HD 4890 1GB 16000 Mpixels/sec Difference: 5600 (35%) SOURCE: hwcompare.com My game runs and is very playable online and off I did also notice that most of your posts are simply digs at others with no real constructive point other than creating conlict and friction amongst those on the forums...and therefore really don't contribute to the forums in a productive way!:evil: |
I cannot believe the use of the language I've been seeing on these forums is beneficial to anyone.
Its the kind of foul mouthed jargon that I use when I'm with my platoon, grown men in a grown up enviroment with no kids present, and yes, children visit this forum. Lets cut it out gents. |
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The insults you keep putting out are going to get you banned. The only reason I make this post is to let others with a similar literary skills to be forewarned. Syn_Repent and JK52Krupi, next time you guys pull these kinds of stunts you'll get a ban for it. Yes, this posting isn't as bad as some, but the point is made. A quote from previous poster - Gerbil Maximus, "We can disagree and discuss without the insults" |
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