thx for the update.
its good to be in touch with the devs.
i dont understand why so many people are moaning about the 3d implementation?
im sure the devs are well aware of the other problems, which are obviously more important than this feature.but i dont think that the 3d feature somehow disturbes the developement in the other areas.
will this 3d thing work with every 3d monitor, regardless of the graphix card?

Monitor must have a 120hz refresh rate.....standard monitors are 60hz, and the gfx card must support 3d.....as far as I am aware.

Thanks Luthier!
Game runs OK now so you can hold the updates. No more needed!

Regards

Viking

Wow...no wonder Luthier doesn't post more often.

means that the only things we should post is how good the game runs? no critics are allowed or what? how can you make something better without pointing at the problems? you never did a beta test right?

It's not about the critics that there was a difference, its about the presentation, i believe.
So stop stirring, albx.

I think the critics of the game do help but that the critics voicing their concerns on these forums could do a better job at voicing them politely. Many of these critics tend to be insulting. Give the team time, I am sure that this game will be unlike anything else out there after the kinks are worked out. Everyone needs to be patient. There are a lot of other things people can be doing that is more productive than trolling these forums.

Wow, another 'wow' post...Thats really helpful that is..well done

Read between the lines and your see why i posted that... I thankyou

(tut)

Its not about the message but about the way its delivered.

Thanks for the update, luthier!

To be honest I agree withe party thats not really intrested in the 3-D stuff right now, but maby it`ll come LATER!

I hope also that "Thor" is right in posting that its only a side-product in the development of the game and that you and your team are turning all the attention on the really important issues on the game! `cause all we know is, that those visual candies only last for a short time but they`re not making a game better!

Aloha from Hell!

Could we have at least the pilot in cockpit throwing a shadow? I feel a bit like a sort of vampyre that cannot see himself when looking into a mirror when I look to my wing where the shadow of the cockpit is casted but the cockpit is very apparently empty (no shadow of the pilot).

Nice to hear that there is some 3D future with IL2:CoD. I have been playing with 3D couple years now and can't go back 2D anymore. This is not just some eye candy we are talking here it's added immersion and i as simmer like to get more immersion when ever it's possible. I think most of the movies it's just a gimmick to be honest but for games/simulations it's another story. Sony's soon to be released HMD+TiR+IL2:CoD in S3D could be a dream come true :D

Finally all serious bugs have been fixed so we can talk about such stuff, hehe ;)

Don't worry we will know when this happens as attention will also be directed to flight and damage model whining/bugs.





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In all honesty I only have real performance issues close to the ground and sometimes pauses when I hit the fire button but the fm and dm are slowly creeping towards the top of my list, seriously how hard would it be to just look over the fm at least.

Pretty much the way i see it. If they have a couple of graphics programmers with spare time and can't use them on something else what are they supposed to do, sit in the office doing nothing? :-P

I don't care much about 3D at this point in time, but as long as it's not to the detriment of everything else i don't mind at all, good for them that they are using some spare work-hours on bonus features.

On a side note, i've been out of town and away from the PC for a couple of days, seems some of us missed the moderating red text :-P
Everyone please play nice and stop attacking people simply for not agreeing with you, or offending posts will start to get moved around to the off-topic section. Nothing personal, just keeping the thread tidy and free of inte-user, 1 on 1 arguments ;)

they can bring coffee to Luthier.........:-P

What Monitor & glasses
 

So for 3D what kind of monitor and glasses will be needed?

I noticed that since the recent Beta patch was applied the British fighters markings have altered and not for the best.

The serial numbers on the Brit fighters are now grey and the tactical markings,ie,squadron markings are now a bright white these are both wrong historically.

I would'nt have brought this to light had the marking colours not been so correct previously,but they were almost perfect,now it seems on this alone the devs have gone backward.

One appreciates this is only a Beta version and that the correct marking colours will be restored on Friday,should we be lucky enough to get the live update.

The correct colours are,all serial numbers in black and majority of tactical markings in a very light grey or off white.

Try to find as much information you can, take your time. Worst to Best cap is huge and every tech have their + and -. If you chose wrong you will end up at "it's a gimmick" camp chose right and you will not go back to 2D. I would go DLP projector + 3D vision set at the moment or wait new Sony HMD.

Make sure that TV/monitor/projector that you chose have minimal amount of ghosting, some off it come from glasses but over 95% is from display device. This is number one issue for sure, over time it will start to bother(there are many angry TV set owners for this reason), it will give you headaches, it will make your eyes to fatigue + it just look bad. So look for ghost free.

http://3dvision-blog.com/ this site have many reviews of LCD monitors.

This beta is an important step forward, but do you guys have any news about clouds? I'm not talking about dynamic weather, but properly clouds that are the same from IL2 (placeholders?).

Is there a time line for the sky update?

One thing after the other, i'd say.

Don't put more pressure at the devs, they're working on their own accord, let them fix it right.

Hummm ... 7 days ? :rolleyes::cool:

hmmm - same ol' same ol'

Hello Ilya - looks like you have your hands full again...

I have held off purchasing CoD after reading the early reviews and now it looks like a carbon copy of the original Il2's teething pains.

Like that one this sim was rushed, Il2 was too strong for current hardware, patches were needed to dumb it down, some effects had to be removed or reduced, no one was really happy - or rather - each patch angered some and pleased others, until finally the hardware began to catch up and you could begin to unlock and update and make Il2 the way it was supposed to be. This stuff isn't new to anyone who was around when the original was released.

And just like back when, your priorities are never the same as the 'fanbois' priorities. You talk about 3d and they want to know where their Caproni is at already....yikes

This looks identical to that situation, so you have my sincerest sympathy.

I will keep looking in on these boards though - I do plan on buying CoD someday...the screenshots look terrific

You might support the cause NOW and buy a copy, btw it is already tons of fun to play on some servers.

Im guessing you play Il2 or have played Il2? and have soon forgot about said problems when it was first released because it tuned into a masterpiece?

Be nice if you supported the game now if you intend to play it... as said above game runs fine for most of us..i said 'most' and is enjoyable now even in its current state

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Talk is cheap. Buy the game. Join the team and get in on The Big Win. Be a player, not a tire-kicker. "I do plan on....." Yeah, OK. :rolleyes:

The live version of the patch is tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 23rd. Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

I hope a release of an official patch, with significant content is released in the very near future. I beleive it would help stimulate on line interest,at present not a very robust following online.

Let's hope for true dedicated server files or some sort of SDK's/manuals. Would help online tremendously.

Well, if they really mean that what we got two weeks ago was a beta, then we can not expect the release version to contain more features than the beta (albeit with bugs fixed that where found in the beta) ? Otherwise it was an alpha we got ;)

Mazex

it was always an alpha until now: each "beta" version release we've got was never re-released then as an official release, but was followed up by another version official release (and not only containing fixes, but also new features which were not present in the "beta" release).

which, by the book definition means that all releases we've got are in fact beta ones :)

Based upon the various forums, the majority, myself included beleive the sim in it's present state is a Beta release. I am not certain what your point was?

Agreed..holding off on upgrading my video card until I see what the new releases/patches etc holds..I love the game...its just (still) seems to be early in development.

Exactly. If something extra comes along it will probably be some small features or bug corrections that weren't initially mentioned for this patch, but not something radical.

The way it usually goes is:

1. dev update after an official patch saying what they are working on for the next patch
2. one or more extra dev updates depending on how long it takes to get a beta ready
3. beta release and testing
4. beta bug reporting
5. correcting beta bugs
6. official patch release
7. rinse and repeat

No reason guessing what the patch is going to include, it's mainly what the beta included or was supposed to include (in case of features that needed more work).

Sorry to be a killjoy for some, but let's maintain reasonable expectations to avoid disappointment later on ;)

P.S. SDKs and the like are scheduled for after the main phase of graphics/sound/performance changes are finished, maybe the FM/DM corrections as well, at least that's what Luthier said some time ago.

Textures at original..forests low..no grass...and some other items at low...it still look nice..however..when I shoot down a bomber and fly through its smoke trail...the fps goes to 12 or so..not good...my system should run this game smoothly....however...as we know..its still being "optimized"..if the patches dont help..I'll sell my card (three months new) and get a gtx 580 with 3 gigs of vram....Zotec makes one..around 540. I dont know whats new on the horizon for Nvidea.

scratchy motion and wot happened to the colour??... it looks worse than before, almost as though a cheap mask (tawny coloured veil) has been introduced over the whole thing.
Cockpit shadows seem to appear to be sharper though :)

Tbh that seems very low for a 570. i think you must have a bottleneck somewhere else. I run a 570 that is overclocked (not overvolted) and it runs the game sweet on mostly max settings. In all fairness i have to say that i think the game is progressing well, granted it should not have been released as it was or still is but its heading in the right direction.

Keep your card, drop your textures from original to high and you might even be able to bump something else up. I'm running aa Ati 4890 with 1GB of vRAM (that's 1-2 generations back, equivalent to the GTX 28x series nVidia cards) and i don't have to turn off grass, trees, roads or vsync.

Dropping the texture setting is the first thing to do in case you have problems, it gives the biggest performance boost and there's not much difference between original and high, especially if you consider that with the performance gained you can probably enable a couple of other things that make it look better and still be running higher FPS than before. ;)

Thanks all, will give it a try...I cant see where I would have a bottleneck.I Oc'd my cpu to 3.5..thats just a hair above stock 3.3..got plenty of fast ram...and a decent hard drive I believe..if anyone can think of anything else should be doing...that could be creating a bottleneck..let me know please, I'll drop the textures down to high and see how that plays out for a while...thanks again..I agree..the 570 should be enough to run this game with my cpu/ram etc. I mean...heck, what kind of platform was the system originally built on anyway?

I would love to help but i know little about amd cpu's as i have always used intel. I looked at the specs on it and i cant see how it would bottleneck, plenty of cache, six cores..... hmm. try what blackdog was saying first otherwise when i had my Q8200 which i had clocked to 3.15ghz it still bottlenecked my 570. granted you have a better cpu, but use afterburner to check how the gpu usage fluctuates; when i had my bottleneck it would fluctuate between 70-99% like crazy, now with my i-5 it's pretty much a smooth line at 99%. good luck

Blimey mate,can't believe you think the latest patch has made the colour worse!it's superb,I live in the UK and I can assure you the colours are much more authentic now than the 'Telly Tubby' colours that addorned it before.

But hey,all to their own opinion eh?:confused:

yes JRB, each to their own opinion... its gone from "Telly Tubby" to "Telly Tubby" with a tawny veil (sepia) over the whole thing (the darkened trees are better though, as well, the new water/ shoreline treatment and with the brownier water, instead of the bright blue)

Actually, my colours are much worse too, water used to look like water, now it looks like a blue sheet, and all my fields look like they are on lowest and are just brown and greenish smudges.

=(

Thanks,,is AFTERBURNER an application? and if so..where do I find it? My other games..Crysis 2 with dx11...Red Orchestra heros of stalingrad..all play with all setting fully maxed beautifully...somehow I think its the game itself..but always like checking apps and seeing if there is a problem..thanks much

Found Afterburner...so its basically an overclocking feature for gpus...butI really dont want to "manually" adjust my gpu settings etc...does this program have a "self tune" for the various cards that adjusts the settings..core clock/shader/voltage/fan to a reasonable boost that is safe for the gpu? Just dont want to fry it..thanks..looks like a cool app...just always a bit skittish on overclocking where I fiddle with all the settings the my asus mobo has a nice tool that allows one to manually adjust everything..OR as I have done..I simply dial in the increased cpu from 3.3 to 3.5, and it adjusts everything itself..which..I prefer..as Im just not knowledgable to do it all manually.

Wow!
 

I got to admit I just leaved cliffs of dover alone for over 1 year now. I bought a new computer a few days ago and tried the latest patch (from this forum), and WOW I got say this is getting somewhere. The sound is awesome and the graphics and gameplay have improved a lot! Now it feels like it should.
The only thing remains is when you get close to the ground the micro stuttering is appearing. Its like lagging and "time-warping". But after a while it gets better. It seems like the problems start when you get closer to the ground and the graphic-engine struggels to get all that information fast out without stuttering.
Well keep up the good work. I am enjoying dogfights now high in the air :)

[QUOTE] I got to admit I just leaved cliffs of dover alone for over 1 year now.

1 whole year huh?

is him a sloth? :grin:

Finally I've got my new PC last friday, and I must say that I'm very impressed. You must know that this is the first time ever I was running CloD since my old rig didn't even start the sim. And believe me, it was a real pain since I own two copies of CloD since march...

Same situation here, and I don't have the Kneten to buy a new rig in the foreseeable future. :( Ah well, by the time I will be able to play CoD, it will be running bug free surely :D

Maybe this deserves it's own thread but have you been following the pro/anti debates that have been going on? How does your initial experience with COD match up to with all the hype/sledging that the sims been received since release?

Cheers!

Good news Foo'bar
 

I am very glad you have updated your PC Foobar, now you can really see your fantastic steam engines and rolling stock properly in COD. We are all looking forward to see some of your German steam engines and perhaps a few French ones very soon.

DFLion

PS I am still waiting to see the LNER A4?

Hi Skoshi Tiger,

well, I think my situation is quite different to any other's here around. When I was starting to play the sim for the first time last friday all errors and bugs already have been wiped out so far and I cannot say that playing the sim was a pain. I know that more things will be fixed within the next days (think about the beta patch wich is out since some days).

My feeling is quite good but I know this is what others have been expected since the very first day.

@dflion: perhaps you've been visiting my blog in the last days. I've made a major update to the A4 class and even a new wartime black skin is enroute, more information is available at Foo'blog and Foo'rum. Unfortunately I've no information at the moment about MG's further agenda, so I cannot say when the SNCF (ex prussian G8 ) steamer will face the game.

@A.Fokker: SoW will have a estimated lifetime of about 6 to 7 years ;) so I think you will have a new pc before its end, for shure.

Maybe when we have a proper network to run them hé hé hé...and some place to put coal into them...so not yet, I do not believe the time is right...Within some months when we may have a look at the map with MG agreement, who knows?

JV

Jean-Valéry, I think we need to wait for the SDK.

Indeed...you are absolutely right Peter!

Call me daft but has there been a patch since the last beta one?

No! We are all waiting.

Beta patches do not appear on Steam, only completed patches is my understanding next release is supposed to be a patch release (not beta) so it should be available on steam.

When will the new patch is expected?
Friday 23th - already over.
At least you would say that I'm sorry guys, the patch is delayed. (say this I found myself too) :)

You should read Luthier's post once again...

It would not take much effort to change the" tenative " date.

It will stay tenative until they know the date it will be released.

Tentatively pencilled in date, replaced by another tentatively pencilled in date?

It will be released when its done. Its BETA for a reason, they need to find issues and fix them. Sometimes when you fix something you find that you broke other things. Patience is a virtue.. just be thankful they didn't give you the "Two Weeks" kiss of death..

Lol..your right there

The Sim itself is a" Beta "release, as most who own it will atest to.

Virtually no effort is expended to prognosticate another" tenative" target date.However, it does require some managerial input and finess. If you do not assign a drop dead date for any task to be completed ,it is human nature to procrastinate.

I doubt there is very much procrastination going on the development. What they are doing now will make a huge difference on whether or not they stay in business. Staying in business will mean atleast another ten years of addons and paychecks.

With no evidence to the contray, I doubt they are working very efficiently. Staying in business has more to do with getting the " on line " population increased signifiantly. The folks on the fence in the game. Thre is no where near the interest in COD at this stage in the development vs. IL-2 1946.

Yet it is light years ahead in every meaningful measurement, Damage model, landscape, aircraft modeling , cockpit modeling etc.. From what I can discern an enormous amount of "unimplemented" potential. This is a marketing/public relations function.

Agree on that, obviously Ilya has gotten tired of spending 5 minutes to update this forum once a week as there has been so much whining here whatever he says. I think ditching the Friday updates in a situation like this is a bad business move even though I can understand he's tired of the bunch here. There are just a couple of hundred flight sim nerds here that already bought the game so I guess he has made a decision that weekly updates is not worth it. What they need to survive is the customers that don't know what a forum is - and/or don't care...

The original series game engine had the luxury of being finished and fine tuned before release. The new series is far more complicated in every way and has taken considerably longer to finish than first imagined. I'm sure there is alot of blame to go around, but when your dealing with something this complicated its very easy to have huge delays with even the most efficient developers.

Well, the past record of meeting "tentative dates" is not spectacular, contrary to the flak Maddox Games got for not meeting those dates. I can understand why Ilya doesn't bother with much setting new dates when it all seems to come down to Murphy's Law every single time.

Yes, but working as a manager in the software development business myself I can tell you that very few companies would accept the constant problems with delivery dates that they have. I guess they really should work on their development methodology, focus on core functionality in iterations where done is done and stop gold plating silly details ;) Easy to say "from the other side of the fence" ;)

Ill never understand people that really act like "forum people" can impact their real life. If you are thinking about what people say on this forum other then when your not on it.. something is wrong

How about a "Friday update " thread that is locked. Show some work in progress a paragragh explaining it and off you go.
No exposure to the goofs on the forum with the untreated or undermedicated personality disorders.

Something to counter balance the prevailing negative aura.

Blackdog, can you extend on what you deem manners? For example, a customer who is unsatisfied with the product, or the patch, may use such a thread as this to express their disapointment. Perhaps they appear rude? Will these posts be removed? And, similarly, are posts from users saying they are unhappy with the 3-D development, in this case,(when there are apparently more tangible issues which need improvement) deemed un-tasteful?

I can't stand the arguments which seem to underpin, and then take-over, every update topic, but then again, one can't help but think it's all part of the natural process of game-development. Some will be satisfied with spit-girl, for example, others may not be.

I think you're doing a great job moderating this board (I don't envy you at all) but I can hold my hands up and say that sometimes, before hitting the submit button, I worry whether I am wasting my time. There will always be a group of people who will react vehemetly to certain peoples' postings, whether it's needlessly destructive, or positively critical.

Sorry, I'm thinking aloud! :-P

I completly understand, thanks for the folow up explanation.

My answer is simply that I'll tell the truth as i see it.
I wont swear and if i have im sorry but i will speak my mind.
I'm Sorry if you dont like it, I'm not saying this to be confrontational of course or to upset the momentum of the thread. I will try to maybe not sound as forceful as i maybe did in my last post.

start an alternative friday update thread to speak your mind in?

Even though it's going against the fundamental principles of a forum I think that would be better than what we have today. As Ilya doesn't have time to read the 30 page thread that every sentence he writes results in, I guess the best thing would be a locked developer update thread like the old one Oleg had, with no stickied comment thread for each update that Ilya will not have time to read anyway (or he should go with train to work like me where tapatalk on my Android phone is actually better than reading the forum in a regular browser) . Then keep heavily moderated bug reporting thread for each beta/release with detailed instructions about how to report a bug or it will be deleted...

Mazex

i would like to see a friday update thread that is locked. Actually i would like to see all information divulged by any developer Locked and treated as the be all and end of all that is to be said on the matter.

The fact of the matter is that what we discuss thereafter is upsetting for some. frustrating for others, pleasing for many all be it temporarily. just stop it and treat the information with the respect it deserves.

locked threads allow the information to be contained and archived and understood by ourselves more efficiently not to mention delivered in a more professional manner.

A " locked Thread " serves two functions , it may encourage more input from the dev. team and it is a time saver for the folks who want to hop on the forum and quickly check for updates and carry on.

+1

Well put.

can someone tell me when we will be getting this so called patch????????????????????????????

Nope.

They haven't tentatively scheduled a "so called patch", but are working on a patch with much improved sound and terrain palette, which may come out soon.

After you'll use less question marks. :rolleyes:

Friday Development Update, maybe drop the Friday so the perception of regular updates is removed, that could save some frustration.

Dont worry, patch will be out today...be sure

I use to think of it as a patch.....?
Now?
More like a blindfold.....:rolleyes:

When you say today do you mean today in the future?

Yea exactly that :)

Il link to this post when it finally comes out

Tic Toc

Lol..forget the clock mate, your better of getting a calendar :cool: