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Stanger 05-04-2011 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Avala (Post 278057)
DAMN!!

Bloody Mercedes needs four (4) wheel to be able to drive!


You know, in the normal game world, games runs in full screen for ages now. And that is normal.

So, I will not say nice "bravooo". I will say "what, your game can't run in full screen in the year of 2011!?"



http://www.cosgan.de/smiliegenerator/ablage/768/218.png


That is an interesting perspective about no fullscreen. It does sound a little screwey all those years making this and no fullscreen.

esmiol 05-04-2011 12:47 AM

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-1
-1000000 for avala :)

but finaly no...i won't feed the troll :)

+10 for the futur patch and SLI support coming :)

Tiger27 05-04-2011 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ocococ (Post 277835)
Guys calm down. Don't you know MaddoxGames after all these years?

In the old days we had Oleg crying all the time (no time, no money, no rest etc), now we have Luthier crying the same way. The difference is that back then, IL2 was an awesome game trying to be even more awesome.

Don't you find it strange that from the whole game developers in the world, they are the only ones crying? And guess what, they are the only ones that released a "really" unfinished game.

I guess it is a common strategy of MG, so you can feel guilty that you ask so much (a working game) or something.

What are you on about, I cant remember Oleg crying about Il2 and Luthier is just explaining that they scrapped there holidays to try and solve some issues.

Only person that sounds like they are crying (whinging) is you.

Malk 05-04-2011 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ploughman (Post 277999)
Hey thanks for taking time from your vacations. What is the issue with full screen? I thought I'd been playing it full screen for the last few weeks anyway.

Yeah i dont get it either, i also been playing in fullscreen without any problems, or am i missing something?

On a sidenote: What does "!S" mean?
I see alot of people starting or ending their posts with it?

Tiger27 05-04-2011 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avala (Post 278057)
DAMN!!

Bloody Mercedes needs four (4) wheel to be able to drive!


You know, in the normal game world, games runs in full screen for ages now. And that is normal.

So, I will not say nice "bravooo". I will say "what, your game can't run in full screen in the year of 2011!?"



http://www.cosgan.de/smiliegenerator/ablage/768/218.png

Im not sure about that, some things are not as simple as they seem.

Mercedes-Benz Life-Jet
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BadAim 05-04-2011 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Malk (Post 278079)
Yeah i dont get it either, i also been playing in fullscreen without any problems, or am i missing something?

On a sidenote: What does "!S" mean?
I see alot of people starting or ending their posts with it?

Of course you can play in full screen, the issue is that CloD performs better in windowed mode and there seems to be some other issues with full screen, but I don't have the patience to wade through all the sniveling to find them. The real problem is all the arrogant know it all twits who have to constantly bitch about every freaking bug like it's the end of the world instead of saying their piece and being done with it like a man.

/rant Sorry mate, just venting. !S or ~S~ or any of several variants thereof, is forum/chat shorthand for "Salute"

Tiger27 05-04-2011 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ocococ (Post 277863)
Every job has it's difficulties, but what are you trying to say anyway? Did I say that this job is easy or something?

My point is that you don't have to cry to the customers themselves. He can go cry about how exhausted he is, to his wife/parents/friends/boss/whatever. Not us.

We are here for the game itself, not for the "the-making-of-an-unfinished-game documentary".

Still whinging? do you ever stop, why not take your own suggestion and cry to your wife/parents/friends/boss/whatever. Not us.

You do realise that you are not obliged to read these posts or even visit this forum, there is something about your posting style that is quite annoying, I do agree that every job has it's difficulties but I cant see anywhere that Ilya is crying, all he is doing is letting us know that they are still working on some issues and there is a possibility of a patch in the next few days, it's called keeping your customers up to date.

Thee_oddball 05-04-2011 02:17 AM

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The biggest one by far is garbage. the .net garbage collector on windows does a fantastic job, and you can get away without baby sitting it for the most part. On the xbox/winPhone7 thats a different matter. If you get stalls every few frames, garbage collection might be causing you problems. At the moment it triggers after every 1mb allocation.

Heres some tips for dealing with garbage. You shouldn't have to worry about most of these in reality, but they may come in handy one day.

* Draw the contents of GC.GetTotalMemory() to the screen. This gives you an approximation of the ammount of allocated bytes your game uses. If it hardly moves, your doing ok. If its going up fast, you have issues.
* try to allocate all your heap objects up front. If you do allocate eveything before the game starts, everytime you hit a meg of allocations, your going to stall. No allocations, no collections. as simple as that.
* After loading, call GC.Collect(). If you know most of your big allocations are out the way, its only nice to let the system know.
* DO NOT CALL GC.Collect() every frame. It might seem like a good idea, keeping on top of your garbage and all that, but remember the only with worse than a garbage collection is over garbage collection.
* Look for where your garbage is coming from. There are some common causes like concatnating strings instead of useing StringBuilder (bewhere, StringBuilder isnt a magic bullet, and can still cause allocations!. This means simple operations like adding a number to the end of a string can create surprising amounts of garbage.) or using foreach loops over collections that use the IEnumerable interface can also create garbage without you knowing (for eaxmple, foreach (EffectPass pass in effect.CurrentTechnique.Passes) is a common one)
* Use tools like the CLR memory profiler to figure out where memory is being allocated. There are loads of tutorials out there on how to use this tool.
* When you know where your allocating during gameplay, see if you can use tricks like pooling objects to lower that allocation count.
* If all else fails, make your collections run faster! The GC on the compact framework follows evey reference in your code to figure out what objects are not in use anymore. Refactor your code use less references!
* Remember to use IDisposable on classes that contain unmanaged resources. You can use these to clean up memory the GC cannot free up itself.
Am i close Luthier? :) is this game programed in C# entirely?

Thee_oddball 05-04-2011 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malk (Post 278079)
Yeah i dont get it either, i also been playing in fullscreen without any problems, or am i missing something?

On a sidenote: What does "!S" mean?
I see alot of people starting or ending their posts with it?

S!=Salute

Robert 05-04-2011 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ocococ (Post 277835)
Guys calm down. Don't you know MaddoxGames after all these years?

In the old days we had Oleg crying all the time (no time, no money, no rest etc), now we have Luthier crying the same way. The difference is that back then, IL2 was an awesome game trying to be even more awesome.

Don't you find it strange that from the whole game developers in the world, they are the only ones crying? And guess what, they are the only ones that released a "really" unfinished game.

I guess it is a common strategy of MG, so you can feel guilty that you ask so much (a working game) or something.

Yeah. I do know Maddox Games. They're the developers that made a sim that many many people enjoyed and still are enjoying going on ten years. Now what have you done to be recognized..... beside whine?

That' will be enough outta you little boy. You're embarrassing yourself but you're just to dull to know it.

Winger 05-04-2011 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avala (Post 278057)
DAMN!!

Bloody Mercedes needs four (4) wheel to be able to drive!


You know, in the normal game world, games runs in full screen for ages now. And that is normal.

So, I will not say nice "bravooo". I will say "what, your game can't run in full screen in the year of 2011!?"



http://www.cosgan.de/smiliegenerator/ablage/768/218.png

Then why dont you just go away and play one of this games instead of trolling around here talking crap?

Winger

Volture 05-04-2011 07:09 AM

Thank you luthier and all team,

Courage to all of you
we appreciate your hard working to make us happy

Always by your side......wherever you need


A huge thanks again

mcdaniels 05-04-2011 07:13 AM

Hello,
I can understand, that someone is angry about buying a game (sim) that didn't work til you patch it, or it get patched.

But the big difference is, that 1C is really working hard to resolve issues AND they are in tight contact with the customers. So support is very good. I know other situations where games were left for dead. (thinking of SH5... and also SH4)

I ve bought CoD on initial release and paid 59,- (Euro) for it. Nowadays it is sold for 29,- (Euro) @ Amazon. I don't bother about it, because the sim is great and the support too!

On the other handside, think about how many developers/companies spent time to realize a real good flightsim today? I think you can count these devs on one hand?

So stop whining and keep cool, luthier and his team are on the 'six o' clock' of CoD doing a great job!

carguy_ 05-04-2011 08:17 AM

Luthier and team, thanks for the update.
I`m sorry to hear you postponed your free from work days but I respect the decision. I think it all boils down to the US premiere in the end. As you surely know, the most important thing now is consistency and the end result, not intensity. It really doesn`t make a difference for me if you get it done in two days, two weeks or two months. I would simply like to know that those patches are coming as I am willing to wait another few months to get a polished game.

Anyways, the Steam client seems not to have the features that promote good multiplayer. I`d think we need Jiri and others to build the multiplayer scene for this game, as coop missions are the core of it. But for now, lets just make sure the game plays fine at medium settings, on a PC fit with the recommended system specs.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 278083)
The real problem is all the arrogant know it all twits who have to constantly bitch about every freaking bug like it's the end of the world instead of saying their piece and being done with it like a man.

I disagree in part. It is not worth getting all worked about those idiots. One shouldn`t have any good words for people who don`t show any respect for the hard working hence there really should be no such posts here on the forum as they are worthless. Such a person presents no personal value but always tries to dominish others` and as such deserves only to be ignored or banned.

krawallhippie 05-04-2011 08:30 AM

I bought that game immediately after the release and - although I have a decent computer (coreI7 980x, quadro 4000, 12GB ram, SSD) I still have trouble playing it fluently, even in lower resolutions. Thus I decided to wait for further patches.

I have to say I was a bit disappointed in the beginning BUT I still do not regret buying this game and supporting you guys.
I see the efforts and dedication that is put into this game - from someone who's loving this as much as we do. I am confident that we will receive a brilliant game that will keep us happy for the next years to come:)

This has soooo much potential so it's worth waiting a while.
Thanks for the support, thumbs up!

F19_lacrits 05-04-2011 08:54 AM

Thanks for the update info Luthier! Much appriciated!

I'm sorry you didn't take leave though, I think re-charging and taking mental time off is good for the individual.. So, don't forget the value of RnR!

GopherStibble 05-04-2011 10:51 AM

All those who love the game and want the support to continue should buy it again.
Some of you have children so sell them and buy lots of copies.
After all, you can always make more children but there will be no more complex WW2 simulators if this fails.
Seriously, some of you have pets. Sell them to cosmetic companies to test their products on.
And buy more copies of the game.
They will be more puppies/kitties/bunny-wuns but no more good simulators.
You think I'm trolling or kidding but I'm not.
I want this game to reach its potential but that is going to take money.
Kind words are like summer flowers... here one day but gone the next, whereas cold, hard cash is like, well.... there is nothing like cold, hard cash so quit the arse kissing and get buying.

Granny has her 90th birthday coming up?
Buy her the game! Going to a funeral?
What better consolation for the loss of a loved one than COD!! (Or at least the potential game we all know it can be).
Your nephew's Bris?
A death of Bin Laden commemorative gift?
Come on! The possibilities are endless!
Just effing buy copies and copies.
Luthier and Co. are essential decent chaps, aka vetches, even if Luthier never produced the special plankton simulator version of Pacific Fighters that he promised me, and will continue to provide support.
They have a track record, even if Oleg has gone all Trotsky... They just need money to feed the monkey, man! You know it makes sense.

As does drinking lots of rum. Yum.

:cool:

Malk 05-04-2011 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 278083)
Of course you can play in full screen, the issue is that CloD performs better in windowed mode and there seems to be some other issues with full screen, but I don't have the patience to wade through all the sniveling to find them. The real problem is all the arrogant know it all twits who have to constantly bitch about every freaking bug like it's the end of the world instead of saying their piece and being done with it like a man.

/rant Sorry mate, just venting. !S or ~S~ or any of several variants thereof, is forum/chat shorthand for "Salute"

Ahh i see :)
Thanks for explaining this to a newbie on this forum and in non arcade flight sim´s in general :)

I totally agree with your viewpoint, allthough CloD propably has a bit more bugs than other games shortly after release i dont get how people seem to forget that any game (especially in this genre) is a work in progress, didnt IL-2 1946 have issues at the beginning?
Didnt they fix and improve the game vastly during the next many years?

Give them a break guys, they WILL fix the issues that are haunting this otherwise EXCELLENT game, i simply flat out refuse to believe that they will abandon this title and continue making new content and improving the existing content just as theyve done with IL-2 1946.

Rattlehead 05-04-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GopherStibble (Post 278186)
All those who love the game and want the support to continue should buy it again. Some of you have children so sell them and buy lots of copies. After all, you can always make more children but there will be no more complex WW2 simulators if this fails. Seriously, some of you have pets. Sell them to cosmetic companies to test their products on. And buy more copies of the game. They will be more puppies/kitties/bunny-wuns but no more good simulators. You think I'm trolling or kidding but I'm not. I want this game to reach its potential but that is going to take money. Kind words are like summer flowers... here one day but gone the next, whereas cold, hard cash is like, well.... there is nothing like cold, hard cash so quit the arse kissing and get buying. Granny has her 90th birthday coming up? Buy her the game! Going to a funeral? What better consolation for the loss of a loved one than COD!! (Or at least the potential game we all know it can be). Your nephew's Bris? A death of Bin Laden commemorative gift? Come on! The possibilities are endless! Just effing buy copies and copies. Luthier and Co. are essential decent chaps, aka vetches, even if Luthier never produced the special plankton simulator version of Pacific Fighters that he promised me, and will continue to provide support. They have a track record, even if Oleg has gone all Trotsky... They just need money to feed the monkey, man! You know it makes sense.

As does drinking lots of rum. Yum.

:cool:

Well, I don't have kids and nobody would want my old mutt, but I have been considering selling myself on street corners and buying copies of CoD with the proceeds, to distribute to the needy.
Fair enough?

Komrad 05-04-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Malk (Post 278198)
Ahh i see :)
Thanks for explaining this to a newbie on this forum and in non arcade flight sim´s in general :)

I totally agree with your viewpoint, allthough CloD propably has a bit more bugs than other games shortly after release i dont get how people seem to forget that any game (especially in this genre) is a work in progress, didnt IL-2 1946 have issues at the beginning?
Didnt they fix and improve the game vastly during the next many years?

Give them a break guys, they WILL fix the issues that are haunting this otherwise EXCELLENT game, i simply flat out refuse to believe that they will abandon this title and continue making new content and improving the existing content just as theyve done with IL-2 1946.

The reason people are doubting the eventual outcome of this sim is the way it was released. When you deceive people in the fashion that good honest buyers were deceived then you need to regain trust before people will start believing in you again.

In other words show some respect and you get some in return. Asking people to buy a game at full price before it was ready is not showing respect, it's as simple as that.


Komrad.

JumpingHubert 05-04-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Winger (Post 278112)
Then why dont you just go away and play one of this games instead of trolling around here talking crap?

Winger

i think avala isn´t a troll or something like that. He made great mods for IL2. ;)

FG28_Kodiak 05-04-2011 12:40 PM

And who makes the game he makes mods for?

HurricaneDriver 05-04-2011 01:01 PM

I reckon this is just a question of respect and a need for patience. The devil is in the detail and there's always something new and intriguing I find every time I play this sim. There are many issues but they'll be worked out. I hate the whingeing too, but let's keep the community friendly.

kakkola 05-04-2011 01:21 PM

After 4-5?patches the game still performing like my old fiat 500:)
I bought the russian version for 14 dollars and I`ll buy the other version in maybe 6 months,no beta testing,i just want to fly it
Oh well,i`m sure is going to be better,for now back to il2 1946;)

Phenom2 x4 3.4 ghz 8 gig ram
Gtx 570 1280 MB
win 7 64(performs a little bit better)
win xp sp3(kinda messy)

HurricaneDriver 05-04-2011 01:35 PM

Well I bought the Collectors' Edition here in Australia for $120, and I still think it's money well spent to support the devs. It's so bloody silly that it's been released at such an unfinished stage, but what can you do? ROF is a good distraction....

kakkola 05-04-2011 01:38 PM

Money well spent for a playable game for a beta!!

HurricaneDriver 05-04-2011 01:43 PM

Well it works well on the i7 rig I built just for COD.

kakkola 05-04-2011 01:47 PM

ROF is a good distraction....
+10

KG26_Alpha 05-04-2011 01:49 PM

Ok you were warned back on page 4-5

You cant stop yourselves from constantly moaning and arguing so a short holiday will help.

BigPickle 05-04-2011 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GopherStibble (Post 278186)
All those who love the game and want the support to continue should buy it again.
Some of you have children so sell them and buy lots of copies.
After all, you can always make more children but there will be no more complex WW2 simulators if this fails.

:grin: Legendary :grin:

You've just earned yourself number 1 spot on bigpickle's first Quote sig :grin:

HurricaneDriver 05-04-2011 02:12 PM

...Or you could invest in the hardware needed to run this sim?

Lololopoulos 05-04-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPickle (Post 278251)
:grin: Legendary :grin:

You've just earned yourself number 1 spot on bigpickle's first Quote sig :grin:

will WOP2 take over the stage for realistic wwii flight sim?

HurricaneDriver 05-04-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lololopoulos (Post 278264)
will WOP2 take over the stage for realistic wwii flight sim?

Yes, if you like flying from local 2011 airfields with no actual 1940 air combat.

gflinch 05-04-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPickle (Post 278251)
:grin: Legendary :grin:

You've just earned yourself number 1 spot on bigpickle's first Quote sig :grin:

This reminds me of a Wherner Von Braun Quote:

“Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor”

Love it.

Bpdslayer 05-04-2011 04:31 PM

Thanks Luthier and gang for the hardwork!

Kankkis 05-04-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bpdslayer (Post 278313)
Thanks Luthier and gang for the hardwork!

Yeah, but looks like D-day is not today, maybe tomorrow then?

mcdaniels 05-04-2011 05:09 PM

Just installed Win764Bit and bought another 4 Gig of Ram to have all in all 8 Gig for the game, because it ran out auf memory on my 32 Bit Win7 :-)

Waiting to enjoy the patch, ähm pardon, the game with the new patch ;)

15JG52_Brauer 05-04-2011 05:46 PM

It's here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=22505

dgeorge04 05-04-2011 05:47 PM

Thank you..keep up the good work!!

danjama 05-04-2011 10:45 PM

Cheers Luthier.

CherokeeFreedom 05-05-2011 12:48 AM

It encourages me to read of the steady string of fixes either in development or released in beta patches. I'm looking forward to the North American release!! Thanks, 1C team! Hang in there.

Theshark888 05-05-2011 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by drive-by-pilot (Post 277882)
too much money at stake with the pending western release. there will be time to rest later

+1

Tiger27 05-05-2011 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kakkola (Post 278242)
ROF is a good distraction....
+10

It sure is, which is why I am confident that in time we will be just as happy with CoD, ROF at release was just about as big a disaster as CoD at release, no MP, game barely worked on my PC etc etc. A year or so later it works smoothly MP is not too bad, although more online would be nice and overall it has improved immensly.

Eckhart 05-05-2011 04:05 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Black Death trk test:

Frames Time (ms) Min Max Avg
3341 150000 3 46 22.273



Improved compared with IL2COD_14305 but still below what I got with IL2COD_14214 or the official patch.

All three GPUs fire but are not as fully loaded as before (around 40 percent each).

Most annoying problem: huge stutter with a stall every three seconds. This ends up with a complete stall during the Black Death track (consistently a few seconds after the ackack starts to fire ...)

video settings: see attached picture (except texture which was put to medium)

Conclusion: some progress but unfortunately not playable because of frame stall problem (memory overload?)



Cheers,

Eckhart


Ps: there should be a sticky black death testing thread for beta patches in order to help devs with constructive posts and not the usual rants


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