As long as there is MONEY coming in there is a future for this game. All the whining is not going to make a difference one way or the other about if this sim stays in development......MONEY...... it is all about the MONEY. That is why they released a sim that was in no way ready to fly..........MONEY. When the MONEY drys up so will the game development. So quit whining about treating the developer with kid gloves...

Yeah but you will be the one bent over with your arms around your ankles... ;)

i dont care about what the games sites tells
i really ENJOY the sim from the first day and every patch is like i have a new expansion:-)

LOL we'll all be bent over if the game does flop, what a waste of money it would be. But, it wont, as i keep saying the regularity of communication is getting better, people will learn to trust again and stop the naggin.

and we have an unfinished released game because of what exactly ? i do not suggest anyones money has run out. but there greed sure has caused the release in the state it has. ubisoft.

ubisoft dont care, they are quite happy to lay ruin here. they seek the 1 game thats capable of generating funds in the billions. and they are more interested in producing that title over and over, year after year with no real technological advancements. Spending money in this realm is simply a futile expereince given what there aspirations are. OM didnt leave by throwing his toys out the pram. he left because of the bastereds at ubisoft laying ruin to everything he stands for and that what we appreciate so much.

Apparently not.

Now Les:

I can, and I will, especially as this is the only game I've ever had trouble with from Steam. The publishers knew the sorry state of the game and released it through channels that prevent customer returns. This is probably going to piss some people off.

I must have missed the bit on the website that says Maddox Games are allowed to release shoddy half-arsed products w/o comeback. Can you point me to the link? I mean if it doesn't exist then new customers who aren't aware of a glorious 10 year legacy of releasing broken games might be concerned. This is probably going to piss some people off.

Having a game that runs like it's on a 286 when you have a PC far in advance of recommended system specs may, just perchance, piss some people off. Rumours that the real beta testers were ignored may also lead to some people being pissed off. Gaming is a business, Maddox Games are not personal friends and have wittingly or unwittingly pulled a bait-and-switch on their loyal customers. I think this may count as 'disrespectful', possibly even 'inconsiderate'. When the bad reviews and bad rep spread over the internet it may even fall into the category of 'pointless'.

There seems to be a not insignificant number of people who share that experience, and swatting their concerns away with some blithe BS about how some other game from a million years ago needed a patch too is probably going to piss those people off.

The latter, they're probably nearer the mark and in this case are proving helpful to a lot of people who've spared themselves the bother of fighting Oleg's army of fawning morons...

What a goofball.

Its upto the devs to take from this thread what they want. i believe they know were not stupid by now. and that we are all aware of the problems. this is not 1C's fault folks. when you read comments that ubsioft brought this to our software and killed it and theres nothing we can do about it. it should tell you who is at fault here. its honestly not 1C , as luthier has said today hes running around with his hair on fire. i feel for them at 1C i really do my heart goes out to them.

Epic, harsh, but Epic :-P

I've read a lot of the bitching whine-fests, and they don't seem to be very helpful. The game clearly has some problems. I get it. But, someone whining about how poorly coded it is does not seem particularly helpful to me. How does it help you?

hey, another patch is coming up!

Cheers!

Yes, absolutely this sim is doomed...:mrgreen:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21944

I paid for the UBI download a 2 months ago. I can't wait for my copy Tuesday! :grin:

I remember IL-2 1.0 had some stutters and other issues.

It sound like 1C is working fast to improve CoD. :cool:

Sorry, to you and the spectators who seem to enjoy this sort of stuff, but I'm just going to dismiss all that, feel free to see it as proof that you're correct and justified or however you want to see it, but this is the exact reason I don't usually post in these sort of threads. I'm tempted to get into the cut and paste thing, and there are counter-points to what you're saying, but you've just proven, to me anyway, there's nothing I could say that you yourself wouldn't outright dismiss or re-interpret to suit your preferred point of view. Sorry if my opinions offended you in some way and that you feel so hard-done-by, hope it all works out for you in the end.

Wrong.
If MG bets burned no one will try to repeat this experience in the near future.
You're pretty young, so you probably missed the golden times.
There many great studios around - they are all gone.
Origin, Microprose etc.

Plus, sims are expensive and it's only a niche - who would pre-finance such a venture? The banks will tell you to f.u. (If I was a banker I sure would tell you to go somewhere else, from the business pov).


The best you can expect is some shitty mainstream product you can port to PSxy.
Awesome outlook.

Not fer nuthin but when you accept mediocrity that is what you will get.

I do custom finish work and in these many years I have yet to hear a client say " I suppose I can live with that". When you get it right the first time there is no need for repairs and Be Sure constructive criticism brings about perfection.

You wants a product that some reviewer says is so-so then by all means buy it. You won't hear me complaining it was put off Stateside for release now.

Well my first impressions of CoD bring back flashbacks of Battle Cruiser 3000.

For those of you who don't remember it, and I'd understand if you didn't, it was a game on the cutting edge of the simulation realm. Hyped up to be the best, most immersive and most dynamic simulation of it's time.

When it hit the shelves, it was filled with bugs. It was due to the fact that the developer was told by the publisher to get it out or loose his funding. He obliged and released a game that was in all respects a "pre-beta". It was so full of bugs that the game was recalled from the shelves after only 3 or so weeks.

He spent the next few months reworking and repairing the game. It was then re-released about 6mos later as Battle Cruiser 3000AD. Unfortunately the damage had already been done and buyers that had flocked to the stores during it's initial release were no where to be seen. The game was a massive flop. Although it had and still has a rather well formed cult following, the game in general has fallen into obscurity.

With all the problems that CoD is having, it is very reminiscent of BC3000.
Just waiting for the fixes or the recall not to mention the actual release here in the states.........

If you were the only person on the planet doing custom finish work I suspect your customers would learn to live with a lower quality product, and would be more willing to wait for repairs.

Bull Pies!!! This sim will be around for long while. The only reason they pushed it out the door in not yet ready condition was because someone said, 'now or never.' UBI no doubt.

I've bought two copies, one Russian and one English to support the developers. Heck! I might even buy the US release just to piss-off the nay-sayers. :)

But you see that is not the truth, specially when the stock leaves the mill @ $15 per lin ft. They pays for a service and expect to get their monies worth and Be Sure if they are not satisified I wasted my time there as work is mostly done thru referrals in certain circles.

If the dev's have thin skin mebbe they should be doin sumthin else ... writin reviews might pay their bills.

Yes, it is the truth. There is no one else producing WW2 flight sims. We have no where else to go (picture Richard Gere). That is why people are willing to accept less than ideal releases. If there was no one else doing custom finish work, then your customers would be more willing to live with poor service.

It's OK for you to lose an argument Les but there's no need to be such a fanny about it, especially considering how arrogant and condescending you were when you thought you had the upper hand. Never mind though. In summary:

http://www.gameinformer.com/cfs-file...2D00_550x0.png

Congratulations.

Hi all,

The OP has a very valid point to make.

There are far too many here who take it personally if the sim doesn't meet all their expectations. They wail and cry as if they had been atacked in the street and had their wallet and watch stolen. And had a punch on the nose.

Grow up. See the bigger picture.

Have faith.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

I am buying a second copy and will give it to a random person just because I'm that kind of guy.

And I hope the guys developing this become so filthy rich from it they have others carrying their luggage whenever they travel and chicks every where.

I hope they are like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHT6b7u1_Y

what a complete load of bollocks.

no, we support what DESERVES support, not blindly. BLIND support does not help Us, and it definitely does not help the developer.

I am happy to laud the things that are good, but i will most definitely also apply equal attention to what is bad.

Creating a false cloud of positive PR is dishonest.

The good things of this flight sim are not false, nobody has said that we should make propaganda. Just try to look on the bright side of this sim, report issues constructively if you have to and as you might have noticed it is working out ( FFB, yes! ), and I am a happy panda.

Kano, when is the victory parade?

If you release a bad game, why should you not suffer the consequances? IL2 CoD is a bad bad game. Released MONTHS before it was finished, and took way too long to develop. Why should jo-public pay to have it fixed?

The thing is, bad games are released all the time. Reviews can tank them, and should. Never reward a bad game, or it will encourage MORE bad games. Oleg and his team are NOT new to this flight sim gig. They have released 5? sims. Whats there excuse this time? Its not like they didnt know better. Its not like they didnt have enough time. So why was this game so amazingly bad at launch?

Also, your forgetting supply and demand. If IL2 CoD tanks, someone will move in to make a supply for the demand. Its happened over and over, and will happen again. SWOTL? Dynamix? Air Warrior? Janes? All have gone, with new comers to replace them. Im sure when the Air Warrior servers were shut down, similar cry's were heard of "support the team or we all dies!!!". But look what we have now? Someone saw a demand, and supplied it.

Just like any company, product, or whatever, I will buy it AFTER its finished, NOT before. If I buy a new car and its not working, I take it back. If I buy a new computer and its not working, I take it back. If I buy a new computer game, and its not working, why would I not take it back? If I know in advanced that something is not working as advertised, why should I buy it?

Gibbage, you should not buy the game. You also should not expect anyone in here to give a crap that you're not buying the game.

ROFLMAO!

I should sig that.

Like PR was ever honest, lol.




Because there is no one else who will.
Understood? No?

I could draw it for you if it helps you understand the situation.

Now, please leave, buy the sims or so and register on their forum too - just to keep yourself busy.

No suffering here, I canceled both my preorders …

Suffering “Mentally”, not “Monetarily” (at least for some) ….

Smink where did you see/hear this?
If this is true I will order a Collectors Edition and 4 Regular Editions for some friends.

I'm amazed at how many games these days are bug city! S2TW, COD etc .. 5-10 years ago you'd never be allowed to release a game unless it was past Beta! is it because of game complexity? hardware complexity? buggy engines??

If this continues then noone should buy any game on release, wait a year until the game's stable and 1/2 price! ?? or is this the final straw for PC gaming?

Needless to say COD is my only WWII sim ATM and I await each update! :)

He111.

Too much reading pal. Game is supported well enough, no need of apocaliptic posts like yours either.

Amen...............hasnt this thread gone on long enough.

No there's room for a few more head cases to turn up yet with a arm full of axes to grind !!!!





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Sig worthy that! ;)
Actually if thats the same Gibbage from ubi forum he must have forgot he already bought CoD...

I dont think WOP gameplay is comparable, but WOP graphics are in many cirumstances better and completely smooth unlike COD. Overall as a holistic package taking performance into account I think WOP has the edge, because when you fly over berlin - is actually a city and buildings to teleport themselves into position.

This title has all the problems that beset the Sub-sim Silent Hunter V. Again the publisher Ubisoft forced that title out before a lot of functions were completed, and I am afraid to say in doing so has now destroyed any chance of what was a great series ever continuing in the future.
The moding community has done a great deal to fix that game but at its core it has a broken campaign that I fear will never be fixed. And without that it will never get to reach its full potential. Yes we now have most functions working and mods that completely change and improve the user interface but the overall gameplay remain a shadow of its former self and COD's campaign will in all probability also remain a very poor example of what could have been.

Hell of a first post. You obviously don't know what this development team has done over the last 12 years, have you?

i think we should put this post to rest please

Given how we and the game have been treated. its coming together nicely. lets get on the positive tip please. nobody deserves any insults. what was is no longer. a mess to start with, and now a blossoming rose of sorts. a whole garden of them. The patches are rolling along nicely. its going to get better by the week. I plan on just only presenting praise for the project in future simply because it really deserves praise now its actually functional with some quibles.

Suggest we all at the very least try similar.

Realise how great this actually is. Ok so the game isnt complete. We get the opportunity to watch it grow and provide feedback. thats just great imo. i look forward to the coming months with baited breath at just what goodies may be in store for us. woohoo !

Extremely very good post indeed Mr. AliFish.

I now have it working superbly with all graphics features maxed out.

It's awesome, lke the dictionary definition. It fills me with awe.

It can only get better from here.:grin::grin:

Has anyone looked at YouTube and seen all the videos made of this sim in the last few days?
I think the devs read threads like this and :roll:.

This is a good sim and its getting better.

There are thing happening in this sim that has never happened in flight sims before.

Just the detail to do this sim, with a small group working on CoD would take years.

Just set back and enjoy the sim.


flyer01:grin:

I think you have lost your mind. That or you have some kind of interest at stake here. Or you have been drinking.

Go take a walk around the block and meet the human race, Youv been staring at screens to long. Even in my drinking days I would never hold customers responsable for a product the manufacturer loused up.

We get a lot of 'em here mate.:grin:

Warning! We have been through this before!
 

I wonder if the haters remember Il2 when it was released some 10 years ago? If my memory serves me right, my $2k PC at the time did not play the sim very smoothly. I surmise they compare CoD to a sim that has had more then a decade of tweaks and modifications (or worse yet to an fps with a mega budget) and for that reason they were enraged by the new sims teething issues.

Wanting perfection from a complex combat sim day one is ludicrous! I doubt the haters are really true (or at least seasoned) combat flight sim enthusiasts or else they would already expect bugs and incompleteness early on.

What these posters don’t understand is the immense amount of control they have over a new sims success, Rise of Flight (as of now an utterly fantastic sim) had to be sold off to 777 studios(go Jason) after getting mauled in its early reviews that included erroneous(yet seemingly expert) posts that included as much misinformation as truths. This led to poor sales and the sim had a very shaky start.

We as a community need to help build combat flight sims not tear them down(day 1 at that) as last I checked Cliffs of Dover is the only WW2 flight sim we might see worth mentioning in possibly the next decade.

In short my advise to those who don’t know better would be to:

1) Describe your most important issue (not a grocery list) with your pc specs and settings in detail. [BE FACTUAL NOT EMOTIONAL]

2) Think of truly important improvements that will enhance the sims realism.

3) Don’t tell the world you want your $ back and the sim is rubbish after such a short time. UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU’RE A HATER!

Thanks all for listening to a mad simmers rant and above all, enjoy the future of combat flight sims, you have waited impatiently for six years after all lol.