I don't know if I should laugh or cry.. guess I'll do both at the same time!

These kind of thing purely a no-sens, The statistics are that there's about 40 millions in the WHOLE WORLD !!!!

Ubisoft will perhaps have few hundred (very optimist) more epileptic customers, but will lose Thousands of long time customers due to the obviously growing of the PC performance needed.

If it seems like,

"- Ok looks at the nice little green label on this car, it respect the environment
- Oh ! Great ! I want to buy one !!!

- Ah, but to drive it, you have to buy this and this and this and this ..."

You'll totally wrong, players don't need labels, they need to have efficient publishers, who know of what they're talking about ,what their decisions will make them appreciated or not.

Actually, Ubisoft is one of the most gaped publishers with communities, always looking for something "new" but they don't understand, that if their technology are new, our isn't, and people won't follow them because they simply can't .(K, ubi give me €Billion, and i could install my personal high speed internet)

As Oleg told us, it's the new standarts of the simulations, but did they(ubi) ever see what an aerial simulator require, to work ? This not a classic platform game for casual players, neither a burnout-like game, it requires an comp with complete good equipments.

Well that's a part of i wan't to tell for money brewers at ubisoft.

PS: don't forget the Guide dog with the collector edition, You never can tell:cool:....

This whole thing is silly and I'm not buying that I can't be made optional. This is the first time I've heard these types of measures are being implemented.

Retarded:rolleyes:

Ilya said that Ubisoft changed their policy on epilepsy 1 year ago. The change impacted on everything that was graphics in CoD. THe last 3 months of CoD's development were spent on matching the sim to the Ubisoft epilepsy spec.

Its all in this thread:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1571060

and a link to your proof would be greatly appreciated.

Should've gone with a different publisher. I mean really. And not stating it before release even though they knew there would be a problem? Did they think nobody would notice? I'm disapointed. I'll stick with buying the game (I'd call it a sim but I think having being played, I'll stick with game) even if I won't be able to play it if only to support development, but this is pathetic and it's not just Ubi who're implicated.

THey didn't state before release because theyr were working on it non stop, there is a 500mb patch launched already. They were hoping to sort things out before, or immediately after the launch of the sim. It didnt work out, the problem is here and its big.

There is hope that Russian publisher 1C will back down on this epilepsy crap. Where that would leave western gamers- do not know.

Here you go from 2008. The dev's screwed up, Im sure in time they will work it out.

http://spong.com/article/15691/Ubiso...s-for-Epilepsy

Infact...

Explains why Oleg and Luthier disapearred four weeks ago. Good luck to them sorting it out. I wonder how their Russian customers feel having had their sim release screwed by a western publisher? It's clear that Ubi require this filter to be ON in any game sold in its sphere. That should solve the epilepsy problem as given its current state nobody will be playing it.

And I'd just like to add that making the game safe for epileptics is and admirable and righteous thing that should be an industry wide aspiration.

Cannot 1C re-release it themselves to the Western market? after all they are a publisher right? in a new fully patched up boxed version and do whatever they need to do graphically? we wanted the realistic flight experience, that is ruined with this propellor crap that Ubisoft want.

""Where it is not reasonably practicable to follow the Ofcom guidance, and where broadcasters can demonstrate that the broadcasting of flashing lights and/or patterns is editorially justified, viewers should be given an adequate verbal and also, if appropriate, text warning at the start of the programme or programme item."

Quite simply, IL2 is a realistic flight simulator and therefore as it is representing realistic flying of aircraft which will involved flickerring images as experienced by real WW2 pilots, this game is not suitable for viewing by people with epilepsy.

End of story, that warning would be legal!! there was no need to mess up the sim.

Ubisoft are not the publishers in Russia, well that my understanding so why they have put the filter on is very strange?

thnx i found it aswell :) but this can all be laid at the feet of UBI soft, some kid with a nintendo DS has a seizure and UBI "voluntarily" goes overboard, even though there was no ....

Yeah but even so, the dev's dropped the ball big time on this one, blaming UBi is a bit lame.

+1 however this kind of thing takes time to implement. And UBI wouldve known that to enforce this on Ilya and Co. would cause a lot of problems particularily so late in development.

Also, no imagery on TV and PC can prevent Epilepsy, im sure that scientists can prove that, that is a total myth, and totally irresponsible claim. Just switching on a Nintendo couldve given that boy a seizure. Perhaps they should recall all TVs, PC Monitors, and Consoles aswell to make sure that the screens light up slowly... food for thought, i wonder how much that would cost them. no i doubt they would open that can of worms. Until someone sues over it.

This sucks ass... so many years for this flight sim to be done and Ubisoft had to screw it up like this... I am not so sure now I will be getting this sim, I have preordered it last week and now I'll just ask for refund... this is not the way to go...

Some over stimulated red bull gulping twat has a seizure while playing some ridiculous nintendo DS game called Raving Rabbit and the room temperature I.Q. set over at UBI has a grand maul spastic reaction and cause's an avalanche of overkill and institutes some blanket policy instead of finding out if the game was REALLY the problem to begin with...and this was done even as the UK said that there would be no legislation.....

Well this kills my thoughts on purchasing on release date in the US. Steam was already making me worried due to issues I had with COD MW, but after reading around the forums I thought it may not be as bad in CoD. This new feature kills it for me, I'll wait to see what people experience and make my judgement in December, the game should be in the bargain bin by then anyway. Also this gives me more time to save for a rig upgrade (looks like I'll need one anyway).

Now I am honostly looking forward to IL-2 4.11

Aw stink aye!

A note to people suggesting that the devs wont be sued...thats not the issue. The issue is that UBI fears to be sued. They fear that if they are sued, the company will die.
Thing is, with such a plociy implimented, the lack of sales for the product will likewise cause the company to die.

Remember what happened with GTA 4 SA with the "hot coffee". Even having the ability to mod the game and allow access to that disabled content was enough to have the game either reclassified, or even pulled from shelves.

There is a lot to consider with this, and a simple warning is not enough to stop vultures (sorry...litigation lawyers) from trying to make a name and killing for themselves.

I agree, it sucks, it is stupid, it is grossly over compensatory for the "protection" of a small minority (those who suffer from epilepsy).

Its much safer for a person to discover they have epilepsy when they are sitting at a computer at home rather than when they learn to drive, crash and kill several innocent bystanders.

Some how i can't see that as a good defense in a court room ;), but it would make for a good comedy scene.

So let me ask the stupid question:

Why can't there just be a hazard warning label on the product?

Or a separate product line for epileptics?

S!

Gunny

So I came to see some vids and found out that they released an unplayable game.
Splendid.

Is it just me or this game is one step from a huge fail?

Let's hope this will be like rof. I am going to wait.

Subtext of all this whining is that epileptics should never be allowed to play video games. Any consideration of the less fortunate should be dismissed out of hand. Problem what problem....

2004...

http://ubisoft-en.custhelp.com/app/a...epilepsy-alert

After what Luthier told us, it is clear that COD is a "unfinished product"...
It is about 3 to 6 months short of being fully optimised, wich corresponds to the time they spent " implementing" the filter code that creates all sorts of problems with the playability...
What will happen though , and could be devastating, is that the reviews from all specialised magazines and websites will probably be quite bad if the game runs at 20 FPS at medium settings... And my first reaction to Luthier's comments are probably the same as many fans here, is to wait and see...
And that is also critical....

SAlute !

The problem being that the "solution" to allow people that can go into seizure playing a vid game may ruin it for everyone else?

How very inconsiderate indeed.

(game show buzzer and announcers voice) awwww wroooong answer but thank you for playing...bob tell jameson what a nice parting gift we have for him today....you've won an all inclusive trip to the OPTIONS MENU! where you will bask in the glow of the on/off switch for the epileptic filter.....

We want the option to turn it off Jameson

Luthier said it can't be done...It is a safety guard...So if an epileptic (!!!)
,in a moment of distraction disabled the thing and got sic (!!!) ...Lawsuit !

SAlute

Prince Lev Nikolaevich Myshkin says "yes!" to new feature.

Hopefully this is something the modding community can tackle, as I highly doubt Ubisoft will allow it to be switched off. Or like some have said, to incorporate an option in the graphics menu to turn the filter off. But i'm afraid it would probably resort to using legal actions against Ubisoft which is pointless. It's all wishful thinking. Death to Ubisoft :)

No, the subtext of the complaints is that it's a disproportionate response to a problem that a small minority suffers from. I can totally support efforts to make games more accessible to everyone, but not at the cost of having to degrade the game for the rest of population.


It's the same as removing peanuts from peanut butter because there are people who could go into anaphylactic shock after eating peanuts, because they're allergic to peanuts, and then telling the rest of population that they need to also eat their butter without peanuts because they might spontaneously develop peanut allergy, suffer an allergic reaction of some strength, and subsequently sue the peanut butter company for gold.

Flashes, fast contrast changes and the like are going to happen in a flight sim. Removing that will remove essential parts of realistic graphical depiction of the simulator. Propellers, muzzle flashes, sun being obscured by cockpit structures, other airplanes or clouds, flying near buildings... there is simply no way to remove this without severly degrading the game itself.

Even worse, the filter is also affecting the gameplay performance of the game.

There is no logic in ubisoft's decision. Warning labels would be sufficient. Anti-epileptic filter would be laudable if it were possible to disable or if it didn't cause drop in performance or graphical quality. Since that is not the case, I'm not going to sit and calmly eat the manure that Ubisoft is shoveling to us. I'll be actively seeking ways to disable said filter, and if it's not possible to do by myself, I'll leave the game in my book shelf waiting for a solution to the problem, and if it never materializes I'll just play IL-2 instead - assuming the problems really are as severe as they sound like. Will have to wait and see for myself in-game.


At any rate, I am really sorry for 1C and Maddox Games, and I hope they will find some other publisher for outside Russia releases, as Ubisoft is clearly not at all interested or motivated in actually investing anything in your work. Between the lines, I can read immense frustration regarding the situation, and I really hope the situation can be remedied via later patches and releases.

Even releasing directly via Steam exclusively would be preferable to this sort of travesty, and I would never have thought I'd say this since physical copy of the game still has value for me over digital purchase, but Ubisoft's actions are simply deplorable, and I feel bad for giving any money at all for them at all - but I do want the game, and I want to support the devs.


Well, at least there's one bright spot in the end of the tunnel aside from the freight train approaching me at 120 km/h, and that's the fact that no one can take IL-2 1946 away from us. I am in fact almost certain that IL-2 will hold its own for quite a while, especially if the performance of CoD is significantly crippled by the anti-apocalyptic filtering system.

Gentlemen,

I urge all of you to cancel your pre-orders as soon as possible.

Money is all that UBI and 1C understand, so the only way to drive home our dissatisfaction is to cut off the money tap.

I have canceled both my pre orders.

Sorry Oleg, I truly am, but it's my money and I refuse to spend it on a broken product.

i know.. i read that :) but curing the disease by killing the patient doesn't work either :)

Hear hear.

Boycott the game, don't give over any money until a satisfactory solution is found.

+1 Herra Tohtori spot on!

I want to believe that this whole "anti-epilepsy filter" thing is a fake, phony marketing trick meant to lower any unrealistic expectations that guys have developed over the last few years.

Step 1 - Purposely release the game in an un-optimal state.

Step 2 - Make up a story that Ubisoft is responsible. Everyone hates them anyway and an "anti-epilespy filter" certianly sounds plausible.

Step 3 - Let the end user stew in low fps misery for a few weeks until all those unrealistic expectations go by the wayside.

Step 4 - Release a super patch that makes the problems go away.

My stomach is starting to hurt. They better get this fixed.

i'm glad i haven't pre ordered il-2 from ubisoft/steam yet, and i will probably not be buying it.

i will try to get the russian verison instead.

does this rebellion need a theme song? :twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

The only sensible thing to do is wait and see if they can remove the performance penalty or if it's possible to opt out of the silly filter. Extremely disappointed and I feel extremely bad for Oleg and Ilya and the rest of their team to be burdened with this news on what should be a time to celebrate several years of extremely hard work.

Patience must be patient. We can not forget that the best game of its kind and that this study may depend on us, let the river flow. Soon we will enjoy a work of art.

Surely the team has already expressed his displeasure at Ubisoft.

When flying I will think about each aircraft that are members of Ubisot overthrown, That reassures me.

Yes, indeed. Oleg made comments a few days ago regarding his displeasure with dealing with such hard headed imbeciles. It's too bad that Oleg will be walking away from the project after release to take more of a backseat position, but I can't say that I blame him. Hopefully there will be a good replacement that will serve the game justice. I'm not religious, but I pray everyday that this doesn't end up being another ruined game thanks to Ubishit.

Edit - I would like to add that the fact that we all must suffer from this is beyond me. It's a completely idiotic decision. Sorry to anyone who has Epilepsy, but it's ridiculous the way this has been forced upon us. It should be optional. End of story.

Welcome to Cliffs of Dover.... Loading

Warning! Anti-epilepsy filter is disabled. Do you wish to continue Y/N?

Easy.

LOL ok this made me laugh out loud:) well done sir :)

It's a stupid decision.If you have Photosensitive Epilepsy you can have seizures by watching TV or even observe the sunrays passing thru the trees outside of a road when the car do a curve or even celebrating with your friends on a nightclub.
Children can have seizures watching an eletronic car with flashing light...
You cannot be blamed for that,it was not the manufacturer fault,because flashing lights do not CAUSE epilepsy,it only REVEALS a pre-existing clinical condition.
But who knows, maybe in the US legislation is made in a way that the political correct is in fact killing everyone liberty,a unexpected side effect.
Is like prohibiting chocolate cake because the world has diabetics...

On a more positive note, now everyone knows how it feels to have something forced on you without the possibility of an option to turn it off :-P

Yeah, and we're all having fits about it.

+1

My thoughts exactly.

This is what you get when you elect people that feel the government can take better care of you than you can yourself. But I have bought CoD already back in Jan and still look forward to it.

read all 15 pages........
 

Just got done reading all 15 pages worth of posts in here and all i want to do is beat the first epileptic i can find, to death with his own uncontrollably shaking arm :P lol just kidding........sort of :P


before you go all nerd rage on me :P
its a joke people...:)
they do have those in your country I am sure of it :)

Any way after seeing all of what has been done to IL2 over the years by private owners with missions, skins e.t.c I am confident that one of you super nerds will come out shortly with some form of magic that i can perform to take the whammy off of this wonderful new game:) i hope.....

Just to finish my argumentation: people who has epilepsy are so normal like you and me.
When properly medicated, they doesn't has seizures at all in most cases and can work,study,love,have children,etc...
Even so,there are SOME limitations.
You can't pilot a plane(but can drive a car if you are controlled) , you cannot dive or swim alone,etc...
But the limitation concerns to the patient , not to everyone else.
If I use insuline for example I shouldl not try to pass a law to force everyone to eat cakes with diabetic sweeteners...

i am canceling my order as well till this is solved

the only hopeful solution i see for this is that for the russian market they will make this filter optional (or remove it completely) and put a warning on the box etc ... we can then download it online from russia, or buy it from a russian amazone site etc..

one issue people havnt mentioned in this thread yet, those in danger of having epilepsy induced are most likely people who dont yet know they have the condition or that they are predisposed to it (since epileptics generally will be told to avoid anything that involves rapidly alternating bright lights etc..).secondly, even "normal" people who are not epileptic can have epilepsy (or migraine etc) induced in them if you just expose them long enough to severe enough of a visual irritation of the right type (be this from games or other flashing lights etc).

point being: with these pc games (and movies etc) it is not a bad thing to have the game creators and programmers being made aware of some of these issues so that they take account of it where possible (meaning we might have slightly uglier prop spin, rather then more realistic ones that have an increased risk to them). and in the same way games/movies are screened by national censors for content and age rating, games could be screened for "epilepsy inducing rating" so that the worst visual effects that might be a problem are toned down.

sadly this is not how the risk reduction is being implemented, ubi seems to have located some half baked idea and is blanket implementing on all its products, even if it kills the game itself. dont have any illusions, ubi will not do anything to solve this (given their previous total disregard of customer interests, even if it completely kills a game series). our only hope is for oleg's crew to find a work around for the russian market, and us somehow getting a hold of that product line

meanwhile cancel all your orders and hit ubi in the only place they care, the sales revenue. buying directly from oleg in russia probably also significantly increases oleg's profit margin on the sale, so its supporting him in trying to find a solution

I can't bring myself to cancel the preorder though I won't blame anyone who does. I've just been waiting too long. Its just a shame a project that has had so much dedication poured into it, has to be hamstrung with such a "feature". I'm just afraid they won't see the loss of revenue as anything other than a failing genre or too many darn pirates.

Whoever is running UBI really seems to like the dictatorship mentality. "Filter ON! No options!" "Internet Connection Required or we drop you! I don't care if you paid for it!"

I just hope some sort of solution can be worked out.

There is medical data that links cigarette smoking to lung cancer and another life threatening issues, however the cigarette companies are not liable for deaths related to smoking because there is a simple warning on the box.

Is Ubisoft really telling us that this can't be done for a video game?

Ubi really needs to understand that the demographic for this title is old enough to choose.

And at the end of the day it's all to no avail. They have effectively shot themselves in the foot. So much potential that has been set aside to please a select few. It's a sad day...

They missed by about six feet at point blank by my guess then. Can't they do anything right ;)

Sadly, no they can't. I say we all grab our pitchforks and torches and protest this nonsense. Kill UBI! Leave no survivors! :evil:

This has already been implemented. You select complex engine mangement and if you can't get the plane started, your obviously too drunk!

Cheers!

I registered to say I won't be pre-ordering, I'm going to wait until I hear from other players or try a demo before deciding to buy or not.

Does the Russian version have English language support? I'm thinking of importing.

The earliest western release is March 31. I am sure by then it will be fixed.
This is going to be the best flight sim ever with or without people cancelling pre-orders.
You guys forget there are thousands of nerds out there with Ubi-rage and it will become an option one way or another :grin:
As with their imfamous DRM Ubisoft does listen, it just takes time.
relax cancel your pre-order and then re-order in a week or two. Whatever makes you happy just stop with the threats, cancel, don't cancel but really do we have to read about it here?
Go to Ubi zoo and tell them there you are cancelling, honestly thats the only place they listen if they actually do :grin:
As for me I am getting my boxed copy on April 1, its release date in South Africa and I just know if I am not happy then, a few weeks will not kill me until a fix is found.
Really, we are not talking some stupid movie here, this is what I do. I work so i can pay for my flight sim addiction. And come hell or high water I will get my fix :grin::grin::grin:

What can I say goddammit!
Still I won't cancel order, just won't play the game. I was waiting for user tested specs. Now we know there ain't hardware which runs this game smoothly.

This really should be an option, just disclaimer in box and user manual that if you turn antiepilepsy off...

Just like in car mirros: "Objects in mirror are closer than it seems".

Cannot understand UBISofts policy to this issue, warning and option should be enough.

I did not know that UBI has this policy until now, as it is, I will not buy any games from UBI anymore. No matter the title.

Sad new for CoD :(

-Masi

While this is true what you say - isn't thew game rated at 16+? How hard would it have been to include SOMETHING in the installation process (e.g. "WARNING: continue at your own risk, we are not responsible etc..."), or something in the interface, preferably before each mission loads...? Or just make it OPTIONAL, and gradually implement/perfect this feature with patches/add-ons??

I am sorry but logic eludes me here. How does breaking a functional product for the masses helps the minority out there that suffers from epileptic seizures? Unless I am mistaken, not ever other human suffers from this (e.i. 1 in 2).

For the first time I completely agree with you Tree. If this causes such a big FPS hit & hardware incompatibility, and devs have decided to not make it optional - why the hell wasn't CoD delayed???

Words can not describe my disappointment. I worked hard and saved enough money to build a high end rig just for this title. Now not only am I not going to purchase this (unless it gets fixed/removed), but I am having second thoughts about building a rig all together.

I am disgusted to hear it, and feel for you devs who have put so much work into the sim, only to have a large, unnecessary hurdle brought up.

Does the Russian version (not published by ubi?) have epileptic protection as well? Does the Russian version work outside Russia?

I dont buy the whole epilepsy thing, Oleg and Luthier, refused to show us any actual 'in game ' video or sound right up to release, well now we know why, the game runs bad, and yes i did tell you so, do you remember just how many times i kept asking for it . This Epilepsy thing is just a smoke screen to buy the dev's more time to get this game running, its never affected any other Ubisoft release and has been implemented since 2008. I dont buy it at all - oh Zapatrista eat your shorts son.

Does anyone know if this filter-thing has been introduced due to some laws and requlations or if it is 'just' an UBI-specific requirement?

Maybe it would be sufficient if the filter can be disabled only with some kind of 'special knowledge' like adding a certain registry key, adding a setting to a configuration file or something like that?

I know that those mechanisms are used to 'bypass' regulations on other products and as long as the solution is not obvious to the 'normal' user, I don't see a reason why this shouldn't be also a valid approach for this game. The filter will be enabled all the time, it can't be disabled by 'accident', but the user would still have the possibility to change this.

If it then would come to a law suit, UBI could argue that the game has been modified using 'special hacker experience' and so the case could be closed ;) I guess you can't be sued if you deliver software with undocument features/parameters and then someone smart starts using them, right?

;)

Btw, I'm still looking forward to my preordered CE which should arrive next week - although it will cost a small fortune here in Germany (about 70€). If this helps to support Oleg and his team (which made an amazing job) and to keep the IL2-series alive, that's a price I'm willing to pay :D

Some experts
 

:(:(:(

Dspite Steam, was willing to DL CoD but as an hardware minded flight simmer and 1920x1200 LCD owner, NO!
Delaying my buy till this filter becomes an option and not mandatory!
Than will see the real diffrence between filter usage and W/O it.

GP

Gutted, absolutely. What total madness.

I honestly don't know what is the best option here - some of you (understandably) cancelling pre-orders. My only concern is that we express our anger at UBI and don't hurt any possible future for the sim too.

This may be clutching at straws, but it is very early days. The people trying it out on their systems have had next to no time to play around with settings, etc, so it may be a little hasty to judge.

Anyway, support to the devs. Down with UBI.

You may be very very right:(

No cheers today

GP

Delayed ?

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...aft/index.aspx

No, they just haven't updated their pages:)

Not sure what to say, but i stick with IL2 1946 with the "cant talk about em" so far i have not seen something that "blew me away" and i actualy have been saving money up so i could upgrade the puter when i had the game.

Those 200$ will now go to upgrade the RC 1/16 tank park and i will add the T-34 and the jagdpanther..

Sorry Oleg and Co but will use a known frace....."Im getting to old for this shitzz"

LT

A NOTE ABOUT EPILEPSY
I would like to point out that epilepsy is a serious issue, people sometimes can go through their entire life never knowing they have epilepsy until they play a video game.

It may surprise some people to know that almost everyone, and I mean everyone, will have an epileptic seizure at least once on their life. These seizures will 99% of the time only last for a split second and you will most likely never know you've had one. But epilepsy has varying levels of severity, and as you'll know there are those people that suffer from its symptoms on a regular basis, sometimes hourly. If you've ever been close to someone or know someone who suffers from it, it is a scary experience to behold.

So ... I completely understand why Oleg and Luthier have to implement this limitation to CoD.

Now to my position on this ... I'm going to sound contradictory here but anyway ...

Well that is it then, this is a deal breaker for me. I'm not directing this at Oleg and his team personally, but I don't spend $$$$ (yes $thousands$) on having a high end gaming system with multi-gpu's to have my gaming experience nerfed by some legal - suit wearing - OMG we'll be sued - dickless yupi. This has just taken things too far, it is sufficient (in my eyes) to simply place a warning message on the manual and even a pop-up message on screen before the game starts. Personally I'd advise Oleg and Team to seek their own legal advise AND DITCH UBI ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!

It pains me to say this but I've cancelled my order. I'll stick with IL-2

P.S.

You make it sound like its a bad thing Luthier ;). Seriously, I understand and I feel sorry for you guys having to deal with this situation.

Many notches up in respect for you Tree for this. A lot of game publishers have agreed to this due to pressure from legislators - so blaming Ubisoft is just silly. Look at this thread over at the Rift forum for example (major title released a few weeks ago - not published by Ubisoft!):

http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...-epilepsy-plea

When my youngest son was born he had serious epileptic seizures and was on so heavy medication for a year that his muscles where not developing and his lungs where filled with water as he was so heavily affected by it. I can tell you that was nothing I joke about these days...

Then I can agree that adding an option for users that want to disable it naturally would be the best solution. Be it in the config files if they cannot comply to the legislative demands otherwise.

So it's a conspiracy then is it? I think it's more of a last minute deal. I don't see where you get such a crazy idea. Surely it wasn't planned to be implemented into the game until recently when Ubisoft got their greedy hands all over it. Last minute things like this often have bad side effects.

Does epilepsy filter also create CRAP sound?

I knew Ubi would fumble the release, but I never dreamed they could f *ck it up the arse to this extent.

That being said, I reckon the anti epilepsy excuse sounds like total bullish*t. Any other company would add a disclaimer in their terms and conditions that you agree too when you install. We're not getting the whole story here.

somebody post the link to the youtube video of "Hitler reacts to ubi anti-epilectic implemented in COD"

seriuosly, we have almost 20 days left, let's see if it gets sort it out

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...9/m/6751022719

Look at the bottom of thread

I hate Ubisoft so much

do we have vids showing filter ON and OFF? I would like to know whats this all about...visually...

The ignorance shown in this thread is really depressing.

Besides, like pointed out by Tree, Ubisoft has been doing this for ALL their titles for three years, the same goes for Sony and many other major publishers. I don't know about EA. Have you noticed bad performance in all the other titles by Ubisoft or Sony for the last three years? They apparently managed to pass the tests without loosing performance somehow, with some exceptions like Wipeout HD for PS3 that Sony stopped and sent back to the developers before releasing it for not passing the same tests we talk about here - in 2008!

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...pilepsy-tests/

I sure hope that MG can address their performance issues, just like the other developers have done.

Often it seems to take a week or longer for anyone to reply to her requests for information.

Let's hope we hear something much sooner.

seconded

I assume you have a link with some good information backing this claim up? Or is it that we are simply to ignorant for you to provide some links to back your claim up?

Edited my post above with a link, you can sure find more yourself - my guess about the reason there are not so many to find are because this is handled internally, who would like to post stuff like that in public? I guess MANY developers have got their games back to re engineer them the last three years - but WHY would the developers or the publishers want to make that a public discussion like this? It sure as hell strikes back at themselves (both parties).

The decision makers at 1C really need to take a long hard look at ways to put their boot up Uselesshit's collective ass and kick em so hard that they reach a geostatic orbit. This "publisher" has caused nothing but hassle since they bought BlueByte over ten years ago ... and this abonimation is the latest straw. WTF is Uselesshit serving during its board meetings? LSD? :evil:

This is a joke post right? Mazex isn't a Ubisoft fanboy, your dealing with the facts here, Cliffs Of Dover did not meet the required Eplipesy standard that Ubisoft amongst others have imposed for the last 3 years, this is not Ubisofts fault, the dev's have screwed up, either that, or its an excuse for such a poor running game. Given the fact that they refused to show us any 'in game' footage despite repeated request from myself and others then it would appear that its a cover up for a poor running game. IMHO.

The only thing I'd say in response is that apparently Ubi were only signed up fairly late. So, if they came onboard late last year it is entirely feasible that the situation is as described - and this whole issue was foisted on the devs at last minute.

what bothers me here is why the hell did the MG guys kept their mouth tightly shut about that AE filter nonsense until the game was out in Russia?

Ubi had sacks of gold in it's hands, but now it is slowly turning into pile of poo.

Still looking forward to see videos in youtube where someone actually flys the released sim and not some beta. After that I'll make conclusions whether or not I'm going to cancel my pre-order.

I'm in no way a fanboy of Ubisoft or any publisher. In my opinion they are like the record companies and I would be happy if they where eliminated in the same way as we see the record companies are going these days with iTunes and Spotify expanding their market every day. I would be a lot happier to buy my games at online stores directly from the developers instead (like with the DCS titles)

I also bought SH V and sure as hell think that it was a real disappointment. SH III with GWX 3.0 is not - and that was also published by Ubisoft when no other major publishers where releasing serious sub sims any more...

What I do have a problem with is all the "i hate Ubisoft/DRM/Steam/everything" attitude here.

EDIT: And yes like I posted earlier here I have a son that almost died after serious epeleptic seizures that came three days after he was born. If you have children yourself and have been standing next to a bed with three days old baby with wires all over his head and 3-4 injections of heavy anti seizure drugs I guess you would have a bit more respect for companies that take this seriously. For a year he had so heavy medication that he could not even rise his head until he was 6 months as he had no muscles due to the heavy medication. Now he is amazingly enough fine They did tests for more than $50.000 and could never explain it - it just went away when he was one year old.

Now he is five and like to sit and play computer games with me, his older brother is not much for aircraft be he is. If you had a son like that - would you have the filter on or off? Would you appreciate that it was there? They have said they don't know why it happened - and it may come back... When being exposed to stuff like computer games for example. So then don't let him play then you may answer? But his older brother plays a lot like all of his friends.

So ????

It would've bothered me, from a developer/publisher point-of-view, if they would've done exactly that.

Not revealing that a software has issues/problems/bugs/"weird features" at release is the way it's been for decades, for good reason.

further to that see Buzzsaw's post below

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...179#post239179

Check out the comments of the guy who CAN run it.

'disabling dynamic weather'. Surely some of them can't be flying around with dynamic weather ON???!

Can they?

it's the first game anti-epilepsy-ready?!?
yeaaaah cool !!! or not...
we like FPS !!!!
it's must be a choice like " desactivate blood mod" for kid for exemple...

need a hack or good modder !!!!


i'm very disapointed...

i invit us to mail ubi if your game sucks with this feature !!!

Im sorry Oleg team but im not gonna buy a product from Ubisoft wich is made BROKEN the last few weeks to make UBI happy.

Either it works or it doesnt and it seems it doesnt... So either give me an option to turn it off or im simply not buying it with reduced FPS by some filter that 1 person of 25000 needs

And thats that.

+1

and crappy low level graphics

What the heck do you think you know about epilepcy? It is considered that between 0.5-1% of all people have it - but many don't know, until one day playing a video game or beeing exposed to other triggering factors.

Well I for one hate UBI, but if you look through the many posts I've made on the past few weeks I've been pro "DRM/Steam/everything" but this issue is just nonsense.

The more I think about it the more I'm starting to question it. Why CoD and why now. There are many games released in the last three years by UBI that allow for Crossfire and SLI support.

I've just bought the entire Splinter Cell series (one of UBI's signature IP games) off Steam yesterday, just finished downloading them, and guess what they ALL support Crossfire. The Crossfire Icon is displaying the top right corner, so as far as AMD is concerned - my two GPU's are working in Crossfire mode. Splinter Cell Conviction, the latest chapter in the series, released in 2010 and it's using Crossfire! So I'm not buying the "simulation's have severe effect on epilepsy" argument. There something more to this.

I have been playing videogames for 30 years and the only time i have been rolling uncontrolable is when i popped a bottle of Vodka so give me an option to turn it off.

I can't believe what I'm reading!
 

After six years of waiting we end up with crap like this, it's unbelievable! Not sure nor care who is the root cause behind all of it doesn't really matter.

This makes me want to go five-year-old on everyones' ass directly or indirectly contributing to this crap: I don't give a sh*t about the seizures of any epileptic person on this planet! Strap yourselves to your gaming chair and wear a helmet when starting up any game for the first time just in case! But legislators and companies, don't create directives that go overboard and affect everyone else. Make it optional, create 10-time approval clicking process, make players sign a paper before playing or whatever, but not this. (No crap meant to the ones suffering from the disease, but there are limits to everything.)

I'm sure there are million things in TV and real life that can significantly increase a risk of epileptic seizure. But I haven't seen much else than warnings texts so far. Just look at your average cartoon these days! It'll give an average grown-up a heart attack just to be in the same room.

All of this sure shows how the legal system is abused these days and companies need to prepare for the worse because of too many idiots and creed. Pouring hot coffee on yourself or giving a butcher knife to your kids to play with can make you rich unless some manual tells that coffee is hot and knifes are not toys. Jesus Christ!

One can argue that this can be an unforseeable adverse event for an individual not aware of his / her tendency for epilepsy. But so is marathon for a senior citizen in the form of heart attack or cerebral hemorage, and there they are running around with no legal responsibility attached to the organization arranging the event.

Before any solicitation takes place there should be a sanity board filtering out all the crap in a five minute session:

1) Did you die, get a permanent handicap or serious mental trauma from your incident?

2) Was the cause of the incident your own stupidity or lack of common sense or real neglect from the manufacturer of ignoring an true safety concern in the product or service in question?

If not, go cry somewhere else.

My pre-order will be cancelled today until reports of decent frame rates with decent settings on atleast a top-end PC.

And before smart asses start offering tissues and asking people to calm down I say that there is a limit to tolerance and mine was crossed here. Been all but supportive for my entire stay at these forums but with no smooth gameplay, there is no game for me. And I think there is every right to be upset even though it's 'just a game'. I atleast have been waiting for years to get my hands on it and will invest heavily on HW to be able to run it. So it is kind of a big thing!

Don't have enough information to know who's miss this is at the end of the day and I don't really care either. I just want it to be fixed before I'm chipping in to this party.

And I truly hope that these issues are mitigated in very near future and all of this will be put behind us as the stage fever driven anxiety attacks! :rolleyes: