Yes, Asus MB. I will see how it goes - should have it on Thursday.

The Saitek are $115 and the CH $105 cant decide yet.

Hey Chivas it's been a while!

So you like MSFF2 better than Warthog? What happened to your Warthog setup?

Hey road...good ta cya

The Warthog was a beautiful peice of kit, and the ball joint (non gimbal system) was exceptionally smooth. Except while traveling thru center where there was a considerable change in force required. I also had some flaky buttons on the throttle so I descided to send it back and maybe purchase another in a year or so if they update the stick.

Unfortunately I still can't find a joystick better than the MSFF2, combined with the Cougar throttle and Saitek Pro rudders.

Yes I meant without problems, and yes you can use them without the software. The rudders are well made, but I wouldn't recommend an X52 joystick. Your best option is a MSFF2 which you can still pickup new on ebay, barring that the CH products are well built and will last forever.

There are some Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 Joystick for USB Port on ebay ranging for 9 dollars and 39 dollars used and I think a couple of new ones ranging from 75 to 150 dollars.

Im convinced to buy the CH Combatstick,was about to buy it yesterday but Im gonna wait till friday when I get paid.

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

Optical sensors which almost don't wear at all over time - and the fact that people are still using them after ~10 years. If that isn't a testament to its quality I don't know what is. Not to mention that it is very precise (not on the Warthog and moded Cougar level but still very accurate).

G940 pots start to wear under a year, or so people say. Then there are other issues with it - bad cabling inside the throttle section (results in spiking), reversal bug (albeit removed but only for the stick, all other trim tabs & rudder pedals still have it), etc...

A real shame, Logitech could have had the best all around stick/HOTAS/system out there but they failed in doing so.

Better for... IL2.
Could be due to some driver issue as well - game and stick have roughly the same age.
Expect your G940 to work better in CoD.


I just bought a used FF2, should arrive tomorrow. I wonder how I'll like it.

Thrustmaster: "Our joystick is metal, precision made, costs a fortune, but we still use some of the cheapest parts possible just to save $3.00 a unit".

Logitech: "We give you the whole deal, plus Force-feedback! Only we don't do any manner of in-depth or long-term testing, plus we use cheap pots! Did we mention we only update our software every 4 years?"

Saitek: "We're the joystick equivalent of Russian Roulette! Come on and take a chance! Every 10th customer is a winner!"

CH: "Yes! We're still in business. Our rudder pedals might make you infertile and our product line looks like a cataloge from 1995, but we make quality stuff."

Thats some funny stuff!I just ordered my Combatstick and I got to admit that the base looks from the 80's. :D

The MSFF2 is smoother, more precise and accurate than any joystick on the market because of the smooth gimbal system, and adjustable center tension that provides smooth, constant pressure movement thru all points of travel.

EVERY other joystick has abrupt force changes as some points of travel. This may be realistic, but it makes smooth precise flying and shooting, just a tad more difficult than it is with the MSFF2. Except maybe some Cougar mods that I haven't tried.

The con against the MSFF2 is its software isn't supported in Windows7, so you have to use the ingame software to assign buttons.

The G940 came close, but their grinding gears, and flaky centering software left them a little lacking.

The best of the non forcefeedback sticks is the Warthog. This stick has the smoothest feel but abrupt force change thru center.

What I find to be the biggest "WTF" is that it's 2011, we have multi core CPU/GPU systems, people have on average a TB or hard disk space, our mice use freaking lasers, we stream HD video over the internet, our displays are super thin and up to 27" wide, you can pick up a printer than scans and prints nearly as well as a photo studio for $100 or less, and not one company can make a joystick that is an all-around winner. Every joystick out there has some sort of issue that should not exist given the technology we have today.

Thrustmaster really has no excuse when they're charging as much for their Warthog as most college kids first car and Logitech should be ashamed since they sould have been able to see their G940 glaring errors with even a cursory glance.

The problem is that this market isnt the most profitable,that is no excuse by any means but they just dont give their best to accomplish the task of providing a reliable product.For example I used my brothers Logitech Force GT racing wheel and I found no problems except some minor cosmetic issues.Has been working great for more than a year and it seems it will continue working like it is supposed to for a long time.

Exactly! I alsmost never hear about issues with their racing products. Never heard about a reversal bug, or overheating issues, or spiking axis, but as soon as they make a joystick I would be interested in buying. . . .

reversal
overheating
spiking
wearing out after a year
etc.

It is a shame that such expensive setups as the Warthog and G940 still have issues.Since my bad experience with my Logitech joystick I decided to stay away from any Logitech flight related hardware and even if I had the money to get the Warthog I wouldnt buy it.

The Warthog is built by Thrustmaster.

Im well aware of that, I was talking about expensive joysticks.

Just when i was putting back the G940 and Warthog in my list of "maybe buy" reading your comments makes me scrap them from my list again.

CH setup?
But i don't like CH pedals size, 13 inch from left to right.
I don't like Pro throttle almost no resistance and straight travel.

Currently have a almost untouched X45 and saitek throttle quad.
But want to sell it before it going to spike.

Also have cougar but upgrade to hall sensors cost 220 dollar.

Wanna sell them and buy something that last.

CH throttle quadrant and Saitek rudder pedals could be an option for you.

So does the forcefeedback of the MSFFB2 work good without a windows 7 driver in windows 7?

As advertised - you just don't have any means of lowering its strength. You have to do it in game and IL2 has no such option. Hopefully CoD will or else I will have to bolt it down to my desk. :)

You could build one, it's not even such a big deal.
The problem is relatively low sales numbers and a price of around $500.
I'm also pretty sure there are patent on every possible mechanical solution, so you'll either have to pay royalties or spend a crapload to find a way around them.

Plus you'll kick yourself out of business because your products never fail. :grin:

It works fine and you can lower the centre tension FFB if you need to by editing the IL2 1946 Spring force feed back file with Fedit.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/8531046888





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Have any of you seen a video review of CH products? Its amazing that theres not a single video in youtube showing the sticks or throttles only one or two of the pedals.I've only seen the the Combat and Fighterstick in a few videos of people vaguely showing off their simpit gear and in a few scenes of one of the first videos of this game when Ilya got interviewed.Ill have to make them when I get my gear.

Just ordered the CH PRO Pedals and CH Throttle Quadrant.The waiting game begins again.

Don't know more details about this DIY "WWII Hotas" (for lefties), but show nice ideas, modified car seat, extend stick (probable with DIY gimbal) with angled grip, throttle/button box with rotaries for trim (notice decals):

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5016/wwiihotas.jpg

Probable made with USB card like L.Bodnar BU0836 and grips from old stiks.

Looks better for IL-2 that these F/A something HOTAS. ;)

This VRInsight panel is useful (and bit expensive): push and toggle buttons, 6 rotary encoders (white knobs), 6 axis (2 knos, 4 sliders), 4 way siwitch (HAT).

http://www.flightires.com/shop/image...5004c8edd0.jpg
http://www.simw.com/hardware/control...tch-panel.html

Sokol1

I have had quality issues with Saitek kit, however I have used the same HOTAS from CH for seven years and still going strong. If I was to change anything it would be the pedals but only because I don't like the foot rest design.

S!

Thanks for the info,I know I wont be dissapointed.

I just broke down a few days ago and ordered a full ch setup.
Fighterstick
Throttle
Pedals

I read reviews and user comments on all the popular hotas setups, and going ch was a no brainer after a comparison. The following is just my observations after reading many forums and user comments on items.

X52/Pro - Low quality, modding almost required to get a decent functional set.

G940 - really promising, but reversal bugs in the pedals and throttle leave much to be desired. Radio silence on the logitech forum makes you wonder if those issues will ever be fixed at this point. This is what I was looking to get. (full setup on amazon for $239.00)

CH Products - Pricey, but durable. Lasts a long time and no major issues with the hardware. Big modding community to make your gear even better than it (hopefully!) already is. No need to mod the items out of the box.

Now if Amazon and TigerDirect will just get on the ball and SHIP my stuff to me I should be all set to do some real flying by next weekend. I've had IL2 since release in 2001 and have always been a Joystick/Keyboard/Mouse player. This is going to be great :cool:

Well I bought the whole CH hotas from Tigerdirect about a week ago, they havent been shippiped.From what I understood CH Products would then process the order and ship the items directly.

ah bugger! My fighterstick is from tigerdirect and it's said to be handed to a third party for processing and shipping. Wait 7-10 days for that. That's probably CH, then. Looks like I'll be waiting a while for this stuff then. Amazon hasn't shipped the throttle or pedals yet either, probably same situation.

thanks for that, will keep me from growing impatient and pulling my hair out :-P

The waiting game continues.The shipping method for me is UPS worldwide so I guess I will wait even longer.When I bought the parts for my pc I got them shipped with with UPS ground and it took 2 weeks to get here.

Oh wow that's bad. Reminds me of sending away for things through the mail. Mail out the order form, wait 8 weeks to recieve item. C'mon interwebs!

btw just watched your WoP dogfight video using freetrack (reading your headtracking thread now, I'm thinking about TrackIR 5...) Good stuff. Would you recommend WoP?

Well I got into ww2 combat sims because of Wop.The graphics are amazing but the gameplay is sub-par.I went from begginer to simulator in less than a month and even at the hardest difficulty you can see on my video that it is farily easy.Well it wasnt meant to be a simulator after all.Its a great starting point for new pilots though.I played Il-2 after Wop and even with the outdated graphics I noticed right away that it was miles ahead.I couldnt even take off the first time I tried Il-2.As for the head tracking you cant go wrong with TrackIR but it is really expensive.Ill be forced to get it if Freetrack is not supported so I need to wait.Theres a lot of non-sense on that other thread people dont know what is relevant and what is not.

Ah gotcha. I'm no master pilot, and quite frankly I suck at dogfights (hope to improve with new gear!). The graphics in WoP look really good, which is why I was wondering about it. I beefed up my system with 2 gtx 460's in SLI back in september and have been itching to get a sim with some major eye candy. I love IL2, don't get me wrong, but I also love sexy visuals.

As for head tracking I've been using FacetrackNoIR. I've got it working reasonably well but it's still slightly slower and not super precise. I get a lot of drifting or bobbing when I look around. I could probably fine tune it more but documentation is scarce and I don't understand what the different settings do really. It's all experimentation :D If I can't get it down pat I'll probably whip out the charge for Track IR and hope the fiance doesn't notice. I still havn't figured out how I'm going to explain the full CH Hotas setup yet hehe...

You could download the Wop demo and see if you like it.If I were you I would start with it to get some experience and practice.One downside to it is that the demo does not record your input setup,so everytime you launch it you would have to setup your gear again.

oh hell, didn't even dawn on me to check for a demo heh.
Downloading from steam now ;)

got the CH fighter Stick Roy and I love it,took me a little while to get used to it after the x52 pro but so glad i bought it now:)
hope you get yours soon and Blampers:)

Amazon shipped out the pedals today so I should have them by Tuesday. That alone will make a big difference.

Roy, did you decide on a set? I can't remember if you said so or not.

Wow nice discount action on CH products just before launch of Il-2 CoD:
http://www.simw.com/hardware.html?di...r=65&mode=grid

20% discount on all CH hardware

Yes,I bought the Combatstick,Ch Throttle quadrant and Ch pro pedals.

I remember you and that you used the x-52 from the Wop forum.I guess I will get my stuff during the first days of March.

With the 20% discount on CH hardware at a shop not so far from my city i will go full CH setup.

Just compared the centre force / returen to centre force / precise aiming between a Saitek X45 and a original core Cougar.
Man i never released that the Cougar is that bad.
The metal feel and sturdiness always mesmerize me never paying attention to what is bad/wrong with the Cougar (only knowing from forums that the pots will spike sooner then later)

I am going for:
CH Fighterstick .More buttons/4way switched to configure then combatstick.
CH pro throttle .Not really my favorite throttle but i will just blindly believe in the precision and build quality.
CH Throttle quad .More axis to config, adds extra 2way buttons to my setup. nice for bombers and advanced engine management stuff.
CH Pedals .... Not my favorite at all, but i somehow like to stick to one brand with gear i use. and its cheap now with discount.

Thinking about buying the CH Eclipse Yoke to for bombers. But maybe my wife will think i am going totally crazy coming home with 5 CH boxes :-P

Update:
Then thinking about it again... CH pedals compared to Saitek combat pedals is only 50 euro difference at this moment.
50 euro difference is not much if we are talking about the most badly sized rudder pedals on the market today and the most awesome rudder pedals (Saitek combat pedals) on the market today.

The "most awesome" are probably the simped F16.

With an "awesome" price tag eh?

$400 :(

Thats just too much :(

Simped are not the most awesome.
Because:
1) Price
2) Weight is to light you can kick them away as seen here at 0:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42J_kgH7geM

Saitek combat pedals are BIG (Huge)
149 euro (if you look for them not the official 200 euro price tag)
And a lot of metal parts.
I am not talking about the normal saitek pedals.
I am talking about this beast http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/compedals.html

Thank you ghodan for the link. I didn't know that Saitek had some new stuff now.

Is there any info about a hotas being worked on or just released?

The setup you consider will most likely be a big step upwards from what you have. However my opinion is that if youre a real flightsim fan and plan on flying the next years the best equipment is just good enough. So for me i decided to use a thrustmaster Warthog Hotas and some simped brake usb pedals. Currently i am active in Rise of flight and al i can say to this estup is WOW. Absolute precision. Costly but definately worth every cent.

Winger

Sorry but them being light is right but them just being pushed away is big BS since that only happens if you are braindead and DO NOT use the included hook and loop tape to fix them on the ground...

winger

I found no info on the weight. Did you?


Where?
Afaik there are no retailers other the saitek itself.


I like the design too, however I'm everything but confident in quality when it wears a Saitek label.
Sorry.

Dont know were you are from but here in Holland (netherlands) you can buy Saitek stuff anywhere.
The cheap prices for the combat pedals are:
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/unsor...er-pedals.html (4 stores that have it for 150 to 160 euro. saitek official price is 199 euro)

and my favorite online hw store has them to for under 150
http://www.salland.eu/product/953768...0002-02-1.html

Weight 13.10 lbs

look at the size of it compared to the already big g25 or g27 race wheel pedals
http://img33.imageshack.us/i/full889...110110002.jpg/
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3/f...0110110002.jpg



who designed those CH pedals?
Epic fail in size (and man parts comfort?)
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6...ogy104a004.jpg

Take a guess by the user name. ;)

Maybe I should consider getting them from NL, they unavailable here.
(-11% tax plus shipping) - at this price they are pretty interesting.

About the anti slip(they all slip):

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/326558-...rudder-pedals/

Thanks for that picture with both the CH and Saitek pedals.I guess is a trade off between comfort and reliability,plus im not a big guy so I guess Ill be fine with the CH.

One more pic before i leave
http://www.aerosoft.de/shop-rd/bilde...atpedals_2.jpg
you can setup the brakes in different angels

Just wanted to say I'm absolutely jealous you have a physical shop you can go to, to get cool stuff.. To my knowledge there is nothing of the sort over here, which is a bummer!

Take a guess why that is so. :(

Let me know if you get the Fighterstick shipped.I havent even been charged for my order :(

FIGHTERSTICK USB W/ 8WAY SWITCH
Status: To Drop Shipper

Not yet shipped.


sad face

at least the rudder pedals are on their way

i don't think i'm going to order anything from tigerdirect again, i don't like how this is playing out much

@swiss -- i'm a terrible guesser, enlighten me :)

Thats because of CH.Everything else I've ordered from them was delivered to me in 2 days and Im in the caribbean.

10 - 15 Years ago there were a lot of shops around - then came the internet.
Better prices, less margin.
Given the fact your customer basis knows how to use the net, they learned to compare and go for the best price.
Shops with a staff and a expensive showroom couldn't compete, most of them are gone now.
Do you indeed win if you can get item x for the lowest price?
I don't think so.

Funny thing is, here in Zürich one the first hour e-shops has now a real, in fact pretty big, shop.

Yeah, I just wish I would have known that ahead of time (i do look). I probably would have ordered right from CH themselves.

Doh. Should have seen that one coming :P
I would just love to be able to TRY some of this stuff before I actually make the purchases. Unfortunately for me I'm the only "gamer" of anyone that I know, so I can't go try someone else's stuff before I get something. I wouldn't mind paying full retail for an item that I could have TODAY after I tried it out first. I do miss that about the olden days heh.

Me too :(

This is one I made earlier :-P about six years ago actually for a friend considering CH HOTAS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5oABRybP90

Thanks for sharing.How is it working after 6 years?

Its still as good as the day I bought it. More expensive that the others available at the time but even if there was a problem I know CH have spares available unlike Saitek who could not supply me with a new support for an Eclipse 2 keyboard just last week, "we do not keep spares, RMA it" Out of warranty so I'm stuffed.

As I demonstrated you just need to be aware of the defined axis central rest ( I think thats part of why its lasted so long), I have got use to it.
I had to try this out driving 100 miles to do so as I am left handed, this was completely alien to me, now I would not consider using a control designed for left handers.

Good.I cant wait for my Combatstick:grin:

is that a pic of you Roy?

hey thanks for that, looks good

I've just got a set of Simped vario pro rudder pedals and am really impressed. Similar price to the Saitek.

Have to disagree that these ones move around - using them on carpet though rather than wooden floor - i haven't even felt the need to use the supplied velcro pads. Very nice and very precise control.

Using with CH Combat Stick and Pro Throttle. All excellent.

Simped's are really nice. I tried both, the saitek rudders from a friend and then i bought simped vario pro. Very precise, sturdy and with velcro pads they don't move anywhere. No pots either. They will last you a minimum of 7-10 years.

Do they really use their own supports?
Usually such stuff is made by a big keyboard manufacturer and relabeled.
Why dont you take a pic and post it in one of the big PC forums?

Maybe some recognizes it...

Yes Snake,Im the reincarnation of Adolf Galland!!

:-P

lol i knew id seen that pic before somewhere:)

Man, I really dont know what to buy, I am kinda paranoid about throwing so much cash at a single game. Over that with the tech problems with the g940 I might just sit on my hand until I play COD and then decide if Iwill invest in the tech, does anyone know if any new setups / options are coming soon that are not incredibly expensive (or any decent force feedback joysticks?).

Im in the same boat Heliocon, would love to buy the TM warthog and can maybe scratch the cash together but have been using saitek x45 and x52 over the last 6 years so would have to buy rudder pedals first as with the saiteks i only used the twist stick setup which i found ok, or maybe i just got used to it over the years, so thats another $200 which takes it to about $780, then there might be some pc upgrades i need :(

maybe we could get together and rob a bank! Im free most fridays.

Lol well I have been making due with a Logitech extreme 3d pro (twist stick also) - but if I am going for hotus I will probably get trackIR also so its alot, a big problem though is there just seems to be very few options, and all of them seem to have a big con. Like I was leaning to the g940 but with all the bug it has, and the fact that I find its material/build quality alittle "suspect" (all crappy looking pastic) I am just sitting on my hands for now. Too bad you cant go into a store anymore and cop a feel/look at them (yes this was the least dirty thing I could say).

I've been using a microsoft sidewinder precision pro 2 for more than a decade now. I too was thinking of getting a hotas set a couple of years ago, but the sidewinder is not only reliable but also has a certain build quality and feel, so i ended up spending on a trackIR 4 instead.

Well, recently my trackIR camera died after a power failure, the trackclip pro with the LEDs works fine though and i've been experimenting with freetrack, trying to decide if it suits me or i should buy a used trackIR4 set.

I too have been thinking of upgrading my stick options, but a combination of my trackIR throwing a spanner in the works financially speaking, the value of the sidewinder stick i already have being so well proven after all these years and the issues with the rest of the hotas sets available currently (it looks like it's a choice between flimsy construction, bugs or extra high cost and even the not so top of the line options are not exactly cheap), i have been increasingly thinking of going for a customized solution.

Recently i got a friend of mine back into flight sims after a long break, he started flying IL2 and we are eagerly expecting CoD. He had an old saitek X35 hotas that uses a gameport interface, so i suggested to him Leo Bodnar's BU0836 USB joystick controller.
For those of you that might not know it, it's a USB capable joystick controller that comes in a few different versions (have a look here:http://www.leobodnar.com/ ). He opened up the hotas cables, rewired it all through the BU0836 and can now use his old set just fine.

Naturally, after seeing the small size of the chip and already knowing its capabilities i started getting ideas of myself. I don't have a lot of spare room where i keep my PC, so even if i were to spring for throttle quadrants and rudder pedals i'm not sure it would be a comfortable fit for my available space.

I talked to my buddy about it and we might start if off by building a set of pedals first (he put it in a somewhat funny way too, he said "sure why not, i'm not going to pay $200 for a glorified seesaw with a potentiometer in the middle :-P )
He's well versed in tinkering with electronics which i'm not exactly an expert on, but on the other hand he's clumsy and not really comfortable with the mechanical part. However, after many years of helping my father with small, improvised home improvement jobs i think i could pull it off, so we would have a good synergy going.

The good thing about it all is that i can start as simple as bolting 3-4 pieces of flat wood together as proof of concept and then start improving gradually as i go from there. However, my main aim would be to make something of metal construction at some point and use hall effect sensors instead of potentiometers. I think i'm going to keep the stick and maybe just modify it with hall effect sensors and rewire it through the BU0836, i'd really like to make an elongated modification but it won't fit anywhere near my desk. However, what i'm mainly aiming for is building a set of pedals, plus a throttle quadrant with a small bank of switches that i can bolt on to my desk with some sort of clamp assembly.
Some family friends run an auto repair shop which i think would be a prime spot to search for spare levers, mounting joints and what not instead of having to pay for custom machined parts that would increase the cost.

The way I looked at it is wanting a new flight sim experience in general, rather than spending all this money just for CoD. In reality, CoD is what drove me to buy the new gear. In some crazy chance that I end up hating the game when it comes out, at least I know I'm still going to have a stellar experience playing IL-2, or something from DCS, or whatever strikes my fancy.

The warthog hotas is nice, but it seems overkill to me at $500 for the average flight simmer. I ended up with the CH Hotas setup including pedals which was a smidge over 300 total and sprung for TrackIR 5 with the Pro Clip. All together I spent around 500 which was just the cost of the warthog without pedals. I normally wouldn't have spent that much on gaming at once, but I had worked a ton of overtime last pay due to snow and had the money to spare.

The point I'm making is it's not like the equipment you're buying is only going to work with CoD. It's going to make youre experience better with any sim you fly, and because of that, I think it's worth the investment if you're into sims as much as most of us are.

-b

After months of thinking about what to get i have bought a full CH setup.

CH Throttle Quadrant
CH Pro Pedals
CH F-16 Fighterstick & Pro Throttle Bundle

If i really really like the stuff i will buy a CH yoke later this year to fly the bombers in IL2

Where did you buy the stuff?

http://www.simw.com/hardware.html?di...r=65&mode=grid

Normal price 458 euro
I got it for 366 euro
:cool:

And now i need to sell my saitek x45 + saitek throttle quad
and my Cougar.

I hope you get the gear soon.I have been waiting for 2 weeks for the items to be shipped :( Emailed CH Products but they havent answered yet.

Not sure of your location, but i ordered the CH Combat Stick and Throttle from Amazon UK and it arrived within the week (free postage too)

CH Throttle and Pedals are out for delivery from my order with Amazon. Fighterstick from TD is still pending just like your stuff, roy. I don't know what the problem is, but frankly I'm thinking TD is full of bologna. Especially with the quickness that Amazon got my stuff shipped.

Thought about canceling my TD order and getting it elsewhere, but I hear that they can't seem to do that correctly either.
After losing my cool with them via e-mail, they finally gave me a correct tracking number for the thrustmaster joystick i bought/shipped to my buddy. Why the correct one was different than the one in the e-mail they sent me I have no idea. Never shopping TD again :P

Here's hoping you get your shipping notification tomorrow. You've been waiting far too long. :evil:

I contacted CH and they dont know why is it taking so long either.Maybe they are not in stock.Anyways they should notify me what exactly is happening.Im really upset.:evil:

Edit*Went to check the status of my orders, and after 2 weeks one of them got canceled.Im so freaking pissed!!

Who says CH Products is the factor for the slow delivery?
Tigerdirect is not even on the official "where to buy" list / Distributors list.

I will keep you guys updated on the delivery speed of my CH Products order at Simware (I could not go to the shop itself. Closed on Saturday, and on week days i work. So i did a post delivery order)

I know it is not CH fault, but Tigerdirect's.Ill try to cancel the other order and buy from an official dealer.

Sorry about your canceled order, that totally sucks! I think I'll give them a call tomorrow and *try* to cancel my order with them. I'll just get my stick from CH themselves and be done with 3rd party retailers (unless Amazon has them in stock again, but they only get a few at a time and they go quick!).

I'd hate to rub it in your face Roy, but the throttle and pedals are damn nice. You're going to like them when you finally get them. I don't know how people were complaining about the pedals being too narrow, they seem perfectly fine to me. It's not like my legs are smashed together trying to use them heh. I hope they don't slide on my carpet while in the heat of combat. The casual flight around an airfield I had, they worked fine. The rubber stoppers in the bottom seem better suited for a hard surface though.

Now I have the daunting task of trying to learn CH Control Manager. Poking around with it on my own for over an hour and still pretty much clueless. Going to have to find that Control Manager for Dummies PDF I looked at a few days ago....

Probably shouldn't even say these words for fear of starting some crazy war, but Track IR is leaps and bounds better than the FacetrackNoIR I was using with my webcam. Holy moly!

Well guess what, I got a phone call while I was at college from UPS.So I got the Combatstick at home!!!! :D Called tiger about the other order that got cancelled, they told me that they wont seel those items anymore.So Im gonna buy them from another site.Maybe Amazon, dont know yet.Lets unbox!!!

Edit**Holy sh)^& this thing is huge!!!!

LMAO. I can only imagine based off the size of my throttle, which is also pretty damn big.

So I take it you got no notification or tracking number from TD about your combat stick being shipped???

None whatsoever, and they havent charged me yet, I hope they dont LOL.Im just staring at this thing.It does seem like its built like a tank even though it is not heavy at all.

Absolutely lame on no tracking notification. Maybe I'm strange but I love watching my package move across the country and land at my doorstep haha.

Fingers crossed on not getting charged. For the time you waited and the extra grief, they'd better not charge you :P

I doubt it is going to happen but no one knows :D.How was your experience with Amazon?And how much was the shipping?

Amazon experience was very good. Took them 2 days to get it shipped with tracking numbers available. Ordered everything on thursday and got it this afternoon. No complaints.

Orders over $25.00 ship free with their super saver shipping method. Their speedier shipping is relatively low cost if you opt to go that route.
The rudder pedals came with some free simulator software that I've yet to take a look at. An added bonus I guess.

I'd personally recommend trying to get the rest of your stuff through them, the pedals and the throttle were both around $95, fyi.

Nice lol,I had paid $260 for both items on Tiger.

whew damn, that's a bit much I think.

Throttle's currently going for $96..
http://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Th...7814897&sr=8-1

Pedals are going for $95 and comes with that sim software.
http://www.amazon.com/Pedals-Softwar...sr=1-1-catcorr