Back on topic, I don't tend to associate the aircraft with the regimes very much. I like aircraft first and foremost. But I view them a little like one might look at animals. Lion vs tiger, stegosaurus vs T-rex etc. Being a bit of a softy, I prefer my weapons of human squander in museums, where they belong. Perhaps that's why I can't feel any enthusiasm for modern military equipment. Unless it's a minimum of fifty years old, I'd prefer not to mess with it.

Well there's all kinds on both sides. One funny thing I do notice is that on teamspeak Allied fliers tend to be more chatty than the Axis fliers. Poles and Czechs are fantastic pilots just like in real life and always fly Allied planes :) Many times if an Allied pilot fly's a 109 for the first time it always goes something like this.."Oh my god how do you shoot anything down in this thing"? One night back in the IL-2 2001 demo days two of my good friends UHOH7 and Herr_Spray ran into an intoxicated Swede named Burn. Burn spoke German very well and UHOH7 who was from the states also spoke German. So it was decided that Burn and UHOH7 would be the Luftwaffe side and I and Herr_Spray would be the Allies all on an open Roger Wilco channel. How hilarious it was listening to Burn and UHOH7 screaming and laughing in German, Burn crashing on the runway trying to get in the air and gradually getting more and more pissed until he could no longer fly and the conversation went on into general things happening in each of our lives. Those were fun times when IL-2 first came out in 2001, it was so far beyond anything else that any other companies had to offer. I loved it and still do. Storm Of War will have that same landmark effect I'm sure of it. So what I'm saying is we all have fun together. Are any people in this topic online fliers?

lol.....that one brings back memorys....

I flew Japanese in CFS2, but because me (danish, two of me other cfs2 friends "spanish (Luny) and a brit(Smudger)" can speak german we were assigned as the first IL2 Germans for the JFC online campaign.....Holy poopz i had problems with the 109 the first 4 months....landings, and then the front nose guns(Lead).....but awsome to fly around speaking German and listening to the allies asking us to stop screaming.....

I miss those days sometimes lol.....4 hour campaign maps over kursk...

After sleeping good I can't believe I wrote that. I wont read about the differences anytime soon because I hate politics, and I don't know what I do with that information.

Yeah, that question was very ridiculous. But what is hilarious is how that "homeland security" makes the country feel more insecure, the opposite it should be doing :lol: Anyway enough of politics.

I don't have problems flying Axis planes, especially Finnish planes which feel kind of "patriotic" to fly. With German planes I have to say I feel a little bit evil and more ruthless. I think it is because Bf 109 and FW-190 feel more like killer planes. Alliance planes are like "good school boy planes" when compared. Boring..

Russian planes had big problems first against Finland and I thought I would not be able to do it online. However after this discussion here I think I can do it, and of that I am happy.

[QUOTE=moilami;201162]I don't have problems flying Axis planes, especially Finnish planes which feel kind of "patriotic" to fly. With German planes I have to say I feel a little bit evil and more ruthless. I think it is because Bf 109 and FW-190 feel more like killer planes. Alliance planes are like "good school boy planes" when compared. Boring..QUOTE]

wooooot...i have it the same way....lmao.....its wierd...my flying style are more set by how i feel when im in the plane than what the plane realy is.....

In the 190 im like a tank....speeding ahead ramming through anything infront of me....in the 109 im more of a assasin of the skyes, here i am, now im gone...

In the P-40 i use alot of time trying to fight "clean, as with the hurry and spit etc...

The Japanese planes i fly more by reflexes and the "spine", i use the plane as a samurai, keeping to what i know, and fight with the spirit.....using the plane as a weapon and nothing else....

There is a few American planes that almost get me that "killar" state as the German ones the corsy and the cat....big mean maschines of war, but again, they need to be flown "clean".....

wierd actualy...well thats how i fly.....and right now i try hard to fly a "dirty" P-40 on my philipine map....for some reson im getting into that bird...

Online story..

109 then 190 *CFS1* then zero, George and at the end KI 84 *CFS2*

109 IL2, 190 *FB* then back to japanese planes with *PF*, into 109 and 190 *1946* and now after some time of IL2 im in the P-40.......and back into the pacific lol....

Hey! Please wait a moment Sir..

I don't know what are the standards regarding recruitment here, but I don't think there is anything bad in trying to Ninja Recruit out of blind someone :lol: (or offer a home for orphaned pilot).

So if you are interested of very great squad, then consider joining =69.GIAP=

We have awesome pilots and trainers. We have four online war campaigns rolling: Burma 1941, Midway 1942, and two Eastern Front 1944 campaings. We have a *woman* as our top 1vs1 duelist (at her best age)! Talk about immersion. VVS had women in real. We have separate fighter, ground attack, and bomber sections. The only thing we don't have is Drama!

And everything is voluntary in our squad. It is up to you what you want to do and how high you want to aim. If you want to participate only once a month on online war flying, that is fine. You can also be total "noob" and still we accept you no problems.

If you are interested to check us out, just say Hi in our public forum at http://www.69giap.com.


Edit: Oh forgot to mention that our ground attack section have private and secure vodka distillery :cool: But that is Top Secret.

LOL That's awesome Ltbear: As time went by after the actual game came out after the demo, things started to get very organized with the online wars like D.I.D. = Dead Is Dead. If you were shot down and killed you had to actually stop flying for the whole day until your replacement persona was shipped to the front where where your squadron was. This way no one screwed around at all. We all wanted to stay alive but also get victories and score ground targets. You always watched your fuel trying never to stray to far away from home base. You couldn't get captured either.

LOL That's awesome Ltbear: As time went by after the actual game came out after the demo, things started to get very organized with the online wars like D.I.D. = Dead Is Dead. If you were shot down and killed you had to actually stop flying for the whole day until your replacement persona was shipped to the front where where your squadron was. This way no one screwed around at all. We all wanted to stay alive but also get victories and score ground targets.

Oh one more thing in my edit here, those Zeros are fantastic aeroplanes for noobs to learn in. Gentle and easy and turn like an Austin Minis. Well armed too.

dude i have been smiling most noon today just talking/reading about this......those were the days.....

Today most end up as kills/points......back in the days you had to survive, and then you might get a kill.....you had to be carefull about ammo, adn flying German was a fuel pain...sometimes you had to land and go take some coffee and then take of, just because of the limitet fuel.....

Black smoke trailing from enemy plane, you simply flew on, you know he was out of the fight, you couldnt affort using more ammo on him, we actualy made training sessions flying with damedged planes, everyone was important, every bullet did count and evryone fought to live and not to kill.....

Emmanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable,
Eidegger, Eidegger was a boozin' beggar who could drink you under the table,
David Hulme could out-consume Schauffenheur and Hegel,
And Lichtenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schleigel.

And apparently Socrates was a bugger when pissed.

So not all of them. Plato is another.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that we fly this particular flight sim to simulate not just combat flight, but also historical events of the past.
We may even yearn to have been involved at the time, or wonder whether we'd've been capable of the feats and achievements of our respective forebears.

Or simply wonder what it would have been like to fly some wonderful machinery for 'the other side'.

This doesn't imply that all Blue team members are closet Nazis or potentially sadistic Imperialist Samurai, or that all Red team members are closet Communists or British Empire snobs or gun-toting Yankee Rednecks. Just that they'd like to find out what it was like to fly for them.

As far as political affiliations are concerned, depending on where you were born, you'd more than likely have been steeped in your contemporary National culture like the rest of your generation and therefore a choice of allegiance would have been pretty much closed to you. You may even have agreed with most if not all of it's attitudes and philosophies.

What I do know, is that when 'Storm of War/Cliffs of Dover/What-Ho Fritz, and Tally-Ho!' does get released, you won't see me in a 109.:grin:

You're making me sad LOL. Those were the good old days for sure. It's such a same that The Maddox team doesn't have the money to market IL-2 like Microsoft does. I bet Combat Flight Simulator 3 out sells IL-2 by 100 to 1 and IL-2 is ten times the game CFS3 is.

lol'd. HARD! :lol:

I think it will be a lot like IL-2 was in 2001. Things will be very new and exciting again. I think I'll go on a bender for a day or so lol. After all..all the old hands have been waiting six years for this.

I am very glad someone understands stuff. Many would simply refuse to understand that because their ego is built on illusions of racial, national, and ethical supremacy which I like to call simply "holier than thou" hallusination. Like this: "No, I am not like Iraqies. I am $holier_than_thou."

We people are very similar around the world. What makes us "different" is the culture which has shaped us.

It has been said before, we have finally caught up with the rest of the world concerning airport security. No police state here in the USA. No need to sleep with a gun under your pillow. No one is feeling insecure about going through a body scanner except for some paranoid minority. This is all "fringe" talk and more ammo to keep the Euros/Canadians busy with more "stupid" American talk. :grin: Oh yea, I'll add the obligatory "Enough of politics.":grin:

As for IL2, it is fun to fly for any side, just to try out the different aircraft. If you read anything more into this, you may be taking it a bit too far. This is a computer game and not a real life simulator/time-machine that alllows you to fufill your fantasies or change the past.

NOOOO! Body scannerz stealz ur energy! :lol:

Besides all of that the one we really need to be afraid of is Dan Bernanke.

Or The New World Order. LOL:-P:-P:-P

and Goldman Sachs

Me neither. You may find me in a 110 though, I prefer the underdog.

really tahnk to all of you. one of teh most constuctive threads i have been trhough! Most of them can i say give the real picture without any prejudice and makes many aspects clearier.

Really enjoy that most of this comes around of il2 not because is a ''game'' but a kind of method to get a glimpse of how was to be at that time.
i think teh highest peak of such thing was Silent Hunter 3 with GWX full realism. In teh uboats the tension wa svery high! on 3 and more occasions i spent 3+ hours just to avoid a ship pinging me and sinking me. Thats was teh most autehntic 'simulated' fight for survival that i ever had.

Remember also the great teamwork dogfight that i had 1 or 2 years ago with some 4S freccia and Veltro where we kept formation and used teamspeak we could manage to kill many planes.. Memorable when we flew at high altitude and strafed one at a time a poor foe with good, short shots at it and get tehn altitude, and let the other team mate attack.

I think the good naturedness of this thread comes down to the fact that this game attracts a lot of history buffs. I think that in spite of vastly different backgrounds and worldviews we share a respect for the common warrior. I suppose it's the least we can do, right or wrong, they shaped the world we live in.

Yes, I can see the Whirlwind. Curious choice.:confused::rolleyes::grin:

Agreed on all counts.:)

+1 :)

Hmm, I don't want to keep secrets so I can tell what was my evil master plan. It was to join for now in any very good squadron, get free training :lol: and when SoW Battle of Britain gets released join on the best Finnish online squadron and learn Bf 109 while waiting for Storm of War: Operations in the North with planes having Finnish Air Force markings :cool:

Dunno though can I execute my evil master plan as planned since for the first time I have found a good squadron. Usually I don't join in guilds because they all just suck, and if I join, I wont stay long. But this is different. However I am quite confident things will go as planned much like the sun rises every morning.

Good Squadrons are nice but I'm such an introvert that I just wind up saying nothing on coms unless I really know the people involved like my old pals I was talking about.

S!

I fly German planes because they are my favorites, in many areas technically more advanced than any Allied counterpart at the time. There are no political issues or glorification behind it. Of course Bf109 is one of my favs because Finnish Air Force flew them with very good results during the decisive moments of our nation's history, after talking to those who flew them too..like Kyösti Karhila, Günther Rall etc.

IMO a more serious simmer is also very keen in history, capable of seeing things in a neutral way. Not letting emotions take over but seeing the war as it was: a brutal phase of our not so glorious human history filled with violence and killing. Times change, human nature not..always driven by greed and warmongering.

Train my friend. And hopefully we see Lentolaivue 34 reformed and brought back to its former glory with Erkki et all.

S!

Lentolaivue 34 is alive and kicking ;) Just a bit quiet at the moment as all wait for the SoW to appear. In IL-2 LLv34 flies online wars too, myself not being able to take part due RL issues and whatever. But I can still fly the Bf109G, do not worry ;)

Flanker was it you and I that were talking about my crazy video that I made with all of the Warbirds fellows at the convention?

When SoW is released, I will probably join a North American squadron. I know from other games that the camaraderie and friendships make the online experience special. I get a huge kick out of the teamwork, strategies, and tactics.

Of course, I need to find or start an "Old, Fat, B@stard" squad though :). I don't know how you guys do the multi-national squad thing because of the time differences.

Hopefully, whatever I become involved in, we will fly in competitions for all sides. Much like back in the BF42 days, you had to drive nasty little Shermans and big battleship Tigers with no qualms.

Splitter

They are tough to learn on that's for sure and that's what I chose to learn on, a Bf 109 F4. I already knew a lot about aircraft but never flew a sim before. I got the 109 up in the air after a few tries. I watched so many documentaries on TV and read so much on 109s that I had a little bit of an idea what I might be in for. Landing on the other hand was another story. It took me a couple of days to do that. This was in 1997 with Warbirds my very first sim. I flew this for three years. Then came Janes WWII Fighters witch was fun but no one wanted any part of the missions witch completely baffled me. Within months I saw a screenshot of that IL-2 Sturmovik yellow nosed 109 F2 some place. I think it was starting up and smoke was coming out of the stacks. I was in love! It was months or maybe even a year away from release but then the Demo came out in August 2001 and we were on our way :)

S!

Richie, the same guy ;) Urban Blitz is in first weekend of february so mark it and be there ;) Next summer Mosquito Meeting! Flying the Bf109 is a breeze actually..The Finnish vets said the tendency to swing was there, but a bit exagerated by the Germans. The secret was to apply steadily the throttle, not just slam it to the firewall and up you go. There were accidents of course but far less than expected.

Same here, although the hur and spit are formidable

I thought so :)

I love this site especially the Stigler stuff.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/

Also I have to put that video up so these guys can see what real aces look like.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeDoxHGLpCU

Also here's the other Battle Of Britain movie "Hope And Glory". The Battle Of Britain seen threw the eyes of a ten year old boy. Here's one of the lighter moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLJKIsCtkic

I'm with ya...lol

lol..Don't they make the best pilots?

Or is that only the best pilots live to be old and fat????

That's it :)

S!

That is how it goes..we grow old and fat :D Those were the times when a young and naive guy found flight sims and was so overwhelmed by them, opening a new world. But the ride has been a hoot and not regretting it! Just haul your arses to UB or MM, all are welcome to experience the virtual flying atmosphere among other propellor heads :D

Hip Hip Hurrah !!! :)

Rofl how stupids Englander looked :lol: I bet had they similar beliefs as Maya people had, they would had thought a god descended :lol:

LOL..good one. I think the most normal ones are the young girl and the German pilot who look like they just want to go some place and shag LOL.

We'll form our own squad then. Our nose art will be a potato sitting on a couch. We won't fly faster than 200mph and we get double ammo loads to make up for diminishing eyesight.

And instead of shouting "Tally Ho!" when we see the enemy, we shall shout "Get off my lawn!".

Splitter

LOL ..Pretty good movie

Cheeky so and so. That's my uncle Jack and Auntie Alice you're laughing at.

And the only gods we had were the gods of ration coupons and black market fags and booze.

And the god of knee tremblers in the garden shed.:rolleyes::grin:

During the Battle of Britain the British military and police had to get to German downed pilots quickly as they were often attacked by angry mobs.

One well documented case occurred on 15 Sep 40 when a Dornier Do17Z of 1 Staffel, KG76 piloted by Oberleutnant Robert Zehbe (born 9 Dec 1913 Kiel) crashed on Victoria Station after some of the crew baled out. Zehbe landed by parachute in Kennington, London. He was attacked by a mob of civilians however the British military had a chance to intervene and take him to hospital where he died the next day. Whether he died of wounds received in the air battle or as a result of the civilian attack remains controversial.

Rule one of the bomber crews. Do not bail out over the town you just bombed. I've read an account of a B17 crew that got lynched after they were transported thru a town that had been bombed by the RAF the night before.

Think there was alot of these situations, in general air sea and land. But thats the storys not told by the books....and even though i dont like to admit it it, its actualy a understandeble reaction....i donyt agree with this, but its understandeble.....

Intresting. I may have to then watch that movie if it really shows accurately culture. I didn't by the way say there was something wrong in them.

That is what I would had expected more the British people do in the video. I have heard work class Englishmen can be rough. Maybe the pilot dropped on countryside where there were more "posh" people?


Edit: Or maybe it was very beginning of the war and people were more amused and surprised? Also curious as it seemed while still fearing. It just looked like that would had never happened, indicating the movie is crap. The police though looked very angry but maybe managed to control himself. One woman begun to beat the woman flirting, so is the movie some sort of comedy? Humorous way to show many faces the war had? Romantical adventure movie?

Lol that rule makes very much sense, I think.

True, the USAF still advises against it. But the risk wasn't all on the Allied side. Several German pilots got lynched in cases of mistaken identity. Gunther Räll almost got pitchforked by an angry famer after he was shot down.

Don't worry Moilami, that's my peculiar English sense of humour.
It's a good film though, in a light hearted kind of way.:)

No.

While the statement is technically true, it misses the entire scope, and that is what is wrong.
Basically, not all German pilots fired weapons, and not many of those where hard core Nazi, it was a mission they where ordered to do, like it or not.
You also need to consider other regimes that ordered their pilots to basically kill innocent civilians, even though they did want to.
I am not defending Nazis.

I could go on, but other have points as well.

Sorry for offtopic but I have never belonged to LeLv34.

You dont see many of the Finnish squads anymore on the public df servers in HL because we're elsewhere.

If it was a joke... Well, you moilami have made better ones.

No, it was not a joke. What's wrong in making virtual Lentolaivue 34 a squadron par excellence, as it was in real?

I will have to discuss with you privately someday about stuff.


(Sorry everyone for OT.)

http://www.flieger-lynchmorde.de/Text/auflistung.htm

http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/Russ...elsheim01.html

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety...9/metzger.html

Just in case, I said:

Which was a reply to your:

If you want to make fun of people, at least dont do it behind their backs.

Ethics?

This is a useless topic as there is no way you can accurately determine what a totally different society, including the society of fighter pilots in a particular squadron etc, had as their values in days gone by.

Might as well post a question as to the Boer soldiers attitudes.

You'll get replies, but what worth opinion?

I agree with you.

My grandfather (while not a combat pilot or Nazi) was a weapons inspector for the Luftwaffe. He did take planes up when there were reports of weapon malfunctions, to see if it really was just the product of fear in combat. After a few months in a Russian prisoner of war camp, he was released and later worked under NATO.

My dad, who was a kid during WWII in Germany, told me about a group of British fighters coming in at dawn on a Sunday morning and strafing a bunch of people in a cemetery attending a funeral.

I'll fly whatever aircraft I am interested in to fly, because this is a simulation, and not reality. When I play, I focus on situational awareness, and the mission at hand, not ideologies.

I want to have fun in a game, and not think about the many millions of people who lost their lives during WWII. If I want a more somber experience, I would visit a war memorial, or even a museum. The WWII memorial in Washington DC is quite remarkable.

Oh man ........:roll: Where do you come from? I just read that article about Rüsselsheim.....how would you react if someone had just tried to wipe out your existance, and your family and you had that person then in front of you? One could almost think you would run up and say here I am take your 45 you can´t miss now. Only a kid would post such stuff. I am pretty certain any bomber crew any where in the world, if they had been brought down near their target, that the inhabbitants certainly would not give them a joyous reception. I am not saying it is good what happened but I can understand them. I am certain my grandmother would not have held back at the pilots of those low flying planes that strafed their refugee treck, if she had been given the opportunity. I doubt very much that anyone would have friendly feeling towards anyone who just tried to kill you.

This is public forum and therefore in theory I can't make fun of people behind their backs who supposedly read this forum. But my apologies if you have felt so and even more if you have thought I was making fun of you behind your back.

Anyway I think I understood something, and by the way, of course I knew you are not a pilot in LLv34. That I did not know that you haven't ever been a pilot in it.

What I mean was that Lentolaivue 34 should be "reformed" (language) and worked on to be the best virtual squadron, and you would be needed in it.

Hey what happened to all the fun we we were having? It's like I came back to some kind of.. "I hate you all"... forum. LOLOL

Lol, an excellent point made. I guess too many Finlanders (actually Savolaisia, and now we would certainly need some Pohjanmaalaisia and the war would begin) begun to show up :lol: Things always get tense when it happens.

Well that was a joke. Sorry for non Finlanders who can't get that joke :cool:

Ritchie made anyway very good point. Lets keep the peace here, everyone.

Let's all watch what I think is one of the best IL-2 movies ever made...The Desert Dogfighter... Made by Wolf Biscuits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFugJlqAEE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MuvS...eature=related

Thanks of the videos Richie. I went to buy ice scream and watched them. It is good for one to be able to enjoy things like art and simple food stuff. So don't laugh at the ice scream :lol:

I however liked much more of the "yes, we are aces" video. Air warfare is not emotional stuff for me. It is about survival of us vs them. There is no time nor place for emotions.

Having been said that, I liked actually The Battle of Britain video in how it moved the actors from movie to real war. It was a clever move. A lot could be written about that.

Oh yeah, and if someone ever begins to complain or judge me liking combat flight sims I will just laugh and say my momma never bought enough toy guns for me when I was a kid :lol:


Edit: Yes, that is a true story :lol:

I'm glad you liked My "Yes We Are Aces" video moilami :)

Believe it or not, the ethical issues surrounding the Boer War are STILL controversial and newsworthy 120 years later, especially in Australia ....



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225950408570
http://www.smh.com.au/world/british-...112-17pqf.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...12/3065155.htm

These are just incidents of civilians and semi-combatants going a bit off the deep end. No judgements, just some interesting articles that I have seen.

No need for you to get mad, things like this happened on all sides and this was a long time ago. I have relatives that fought and died on both sides in WW2; from an Uncle Flak gunner killed in France to my wife's grandfather who was a Polish partisan killed near Bialystok. My mother was a teenager who had to hide in the woods to avoid Allied bombing and another Uncle was wounded in the Battle of the Bulge while serving in the Red-Ball-Express.

The point is most of us would have fought for our own countries and what they were told and believed in during the war. Very few of us would refuse to fight for our country or side with a "foreign" or "enemy" government. Look at some of the passion on this board for a computer game...what would the reaction be if life and death were really involved???? There is not anything to prove at this point in time...only that these types of events have occured and should not happen again:grin:

No I was not mad just a bit irritated, but seems you have a simular background!
My moms dad was in the red army defending the fortress Brest-Litowsk where he fell at the age of 23. My dad´s dad was drafted at the age of 42 because he said something against the nazi party and was sent to the eastern front. He was taken prisoner near Smolensk, and first came home in the early fifties a cripple. I just wanted stated that things like that could have happened anywhere. I am certain if a bomber crew came down right after the Coventry bombing they would have most likely goten a simular reception.
After all one should not forget the civilian population was often a target during bombing raids, so I can very well understand the reactions of those people. I know I would not have very many friendly feelings for some one who tried to kill me. That those crew members where serving their country is in this case not really in the center of attention, as for those people, those crew members where the ones that dropped the bombs so they are responsible, reguardless of who gave the orders. As you certainly will agree there is a bit of a differance if military is fighting military, but when it is civilians on the recieving end, people then think a bit differantly.

Yes we do Wutz! I was lucky enough (or unlucky) to get the war stories from both side of the War.

I also had an Uncle captured by the Soviets in winter of 1941 and only able to come back home to Austria in 1955. Another was stationed in Yugoslavia for most of the war fighting partisans...lots of gruesome stories from him! Another Uncle was 15 years old and fighting near Vienna, when the officer of his company gave him his horse to escape the Russians because he was the youngest and to have someone to survive and remember them. Also have a story about one of my Aunt's who was outside yelling and trying to throw rocks at Allied fighter-bombers attacking their train station. Had an Uncle driving LCM's in the Pacific and another on destroyers fighting against U-Boats.

With this background I always had an interest in History and World War 2. Not to pass judgement or to have some kind of burning hatred, but a true interest in the battles, weapons, etc. It's impossible to try to pass judgement on people and things that happened 20 years ago, let alone 70 years ago. Each country has its own ideas about what really happened in WW2 and the following generations also have their own views. You can see that from the different reactions on this Board and how people try to stick up or villify other countries actions from 70 years ago!

Yes you are right Theshark888!
There is no way to judge as no one has the full picture, only fragments.
I only have a bit of a bad feeling when hearing stories of civilians that got into some really bad situations without a chance to defend themselves. One of my grandmothers, even decades after the war would when a thunderstorm came up, darken her whole place, as she felt the thunder reminded her very much of nightly bombing raids she remembered very well.
I only got to hear a few stories as I only got to know my grandfather for half a year, and then he told very little as my grandmother was against him telling war stories. More detailed stuff I found out a lot later when I contacted the WAST office which kept all the surviving records of former Wehrmachts personel.
From my other grandfather I have only a few pictures and some small stories thats all. All the rest is from my parents who where kids during the war.

Yeah, it was very cool. I never knew though it was made by you.

I don't know what the original topic was about, but like someone said it is better to learn from history than to judge from history.

As for what about IL-2 the game, well, your video concludes the discussion better than good. So bump for the video! I would by the way love to be a Luftwaffe pilot right away now, but oh well, I have some unfinished business. Lets play something for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZHxmzwxtLA

the order to remove the "PikAs" from the cowling and replace it with a red band arrived end of July 1940. This order was for the whole Wing: Stab/, I./, II./ & III./JG53.
The "PikAs" on the cowling was officialy reintroduced at the 20.November 1940, officially to honor the 500.Victory of the JG53 - propably "helpfull" was the the JG53 got a new Commander 10.October ............

the overpainting of the Swastika was only common in the III./JG53 (7.,8.,9.Squadron) for a short time during 1940. ITs CO protested with that against the bad words Göring put against the fighterpilots.
in September the III./JG53 was already based in Le Touqet , Luftflotte 2.
http://www.franky.fliegerhospital.de...akenkreuz.jpeg

Lol "vertical stabilizer" :lol: I have those too, they are my friends :lol::lol::lol:

You can always spot fighter pilots, they're forever doing that with their hands.

Is this thread still alive ?? wow



Here is some good stuff on Harris and Bomber Command.


http://www.youtube.com/user/Bombergu...91/u_pHDpOf1Cw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqAm...56F99&index=66

start at 5:00.

6:05 wtf?!


(btw: this championFX guy has some cool footage on his channel)

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At 6:05 they seem to strafe a downed B17G so it would not fall into German hands.

Oi in the name of god and all that is holy I need to get my Bf 109 and start doing my best in shooting scum down. I will be the biggest sucker and loser ever if I don't do it in the end of this week in Eastern Front.


Edit: Sorry about selected words everyone. No offence meant for real Russian pilots.

No, the tailsection is too thin, also the shape of the empennage doesn't fit.

Looks like a FW200 to me, but - they were rare... that makes it unlikely.

Maybe a Ju88-G?

I say Ju-88 Nightfighter

Here is a very different, very detailed documentary. The Battle Of Britain: The Real Story. Even a diary from a Luftwaffe fighter pilot. You'll see the 6 prts. on the side.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDeLRy7UM0

Thx for sharing. :)

You're welcome swiss. The only other Air War documentary where I've hear'ed the enemy point of view so clear was in the Canadian documentary "Warriors Of The Night". A four hour long series about night bomber crews over Germany and the Germany night fighter pilots, all with extensive interviews.

swiss are you the one that was in Mcminville and had your picture in the Warclouds website in front of that 109 G10? If so that is one beautiful G 10 and a real one too not a Bouchon conversion. I was there in 2004.

Nope, wasn't me.

There is a VFS22 swiss I often hear about, but this guy is, or at least lives, in the US.

Yes after I put the post up I had second thoughts. I don't really fly Warclouds anymore I much more prefer the full real settings and plane choice you get in Spits VS 109s Mods. Warclouds never goes to North Africa either.

Wow, that's a special view. Whichever side one was on, it would be a good idea to feel some hate towards your target. No good loving the enemy that you had to shoot, you'd go mad. I'm half thinking you must be joking - you will fly for a nation that systematically murdered millions of civilians (just for the record, I like Germany and Germans, I'm just not a big fan of what a previous generation did in the war - like I'm no fan of what my ancestors did on their crusades), but you won't fly for a nation that thought their enemy was 'nazi scum'. Lol.

I often see your posts bemoaning the general criticism of America. MrBaato's view is quite surprising to me, but there are billions of us on this planet, and quite a lot are going to have opinions we don't agree with. America does throw it's weight around a lot, and also breaks some rules along the way, so don't be surprised there are so many haters out there, just ignore it.

Just for the record, Trigaar, I criticize my own country too :).

My frustration is that blind "hatred" is often tolerated by too many on this board. If these things were said about any other group, the outcry would be thunderous.

Splitter

Is it really any different on this board than anywhere else?
While I don't quite agree to that level (the policies and actions of other countries are criticised too) America does get a lot of criticism - but that's to be expected. Which doesn't mean it should be accepted, but people complain about those at the top in all walks of life. People complain about the football team that wins the league every year, no one gives a stuff about my team, they're too low down. And here in Little Britain, England is often criticised by the smaller nations, because England is bigger and more powerful. That's the way it goes.

The success and failure of nations is more down to luck than anything else. If you're lucky enough to live in a prosperous country, enjoy it. But don't go patting yourself on the back like you (or anyone you've ever met) had anything to do with it.

Well well, blind hatred.. I did provocate a little xD

I quite like flying american planes, pretty challanging
but for instance tv-programs claiming the p51 was the n1 ride in WWII and a symbol of the US makes it less attractive for me

I pee on American planes and burn Harley Davidson's :lol::lol::lol:

(Will be interesting to see do I get banned now.)

Nah, you are focusing on Americans, you will be fine here.

Splitter