I stand by the fact that CoD was a disaster on release and non of its predecessors were as bad on release as CoD. It will take a looooong time to make this thing worthy of its heritage and with the team focusing on a sequel it likely will never be finished.:-P.

Nearly everybody said the same thing about the sequels of the first IL2. But never forget IL2 did profit of a great step forward in hardware performance at a cheap price but COD does begin his live when there is a world crisis, pc prices are high and for the first time the performances of pc's are stagnating since the beginning of the pc revolution. Between IL2 and IL2 1946 I changed twice my pc now I cannot because of the prices and the slow progresses of the performances, I am not changing my machine to gaining 5 or 10 % fps.

Sorry here is the proof you are wrong that they were saying the same thing about Il-2 as they were about CoD on release.

The review aggregator Metacritic gives IL-2 Sturmovik a score of 91 out of 100, while GameRankings, another review aggregator, gives a score of 91.31%
Gamespot 9.2

CoD
Metacritic 60/100 userscore 5.4
Gamespot 4.0

There is plenty more where that came from. Google.
The reviews are vastly worse for CoD than any of its predecessors.

Surprised to hear that. Have you tried it? It's a different world.

OP: No it has a long way to go on FMs and general gameplay although a few in the communtiy are bending over backwards to code their way around the shortcomings and keep us ticking over. Graphics need fixing for some PCs (in hand but slow) but many are running it ok.

No, I have not. The only flight sim I play online is DCS World. Mainly the Ka-50 with a few other Black Shark pilots, and of course A10's. Love the coop, and the communications between the group.

I tried RoF online and quickly gave that up. Air Quake in WWI planes didnt do it for me. Insta respawn free for all, or completely dead realistic servers. I miss good old coop campaigns from IL2. I was hoping it would be in CLoD by now.

I might be selling myself short by not trying CLoD online, dunno. Maybe I was expecting too much...like IL2 with better eyecandy and improved FM's.

How much of a "different world" is CLoD online?

[QUOTE=lokitexas;457442]No, I have not. The only flight sim I play online is DCS World. Mainly the Ka-50 with a few other Black Shark pilots, and of course A10's. Love the coop, and the communications between the group.

I tried RoF online and quickly gave that up. Air Quake in WWI planes didnt do it for me. Insta respawn free for all, or completely dead realistic servers. I miss good old coop campaigns from IL2. I was hoping it would be in CLoD by now.

I might be selling myself short by not trying CLoD online, dunno. Maybe I was expecting too much...like IL2 with better eyecandy and improved FM's.

How much of a "different world" is CLoD online?[/QUOTE]

It is primarily the fact that you are up against real people and mostly that relates to the fighter combat side. That is mainly because few people fly bombers but when they do its an added incentive to 'get them' :)

There is the combat unpredictability of the other pilot who may be anything from a rookie to a very experienced virtual fighter pilot or he might be a very evasive bomber pilot although most bombers are AI. The 'real person' aspect adds a degree of competitiveness and determination that I never feel when up against AI no matter how clever it is. Add to that the ability to talk to other real people on Teamspeak, organise a sortie with them, work together and protect eachother and then, for me, the offline AI world becomes sterile. Also add to that the efforts of some of the community to create campaigns like the SOWC BoB campaign of seven separate missions and you find yourself flying and working with half a dozen squadrons of real people.

There are the public servers, to be found in Multiplayer... Client... Some, like the ATAG Axis vs Allies server, run several missions on a rotation basis with mission objectives that can be achieved and therefore won by either side to close the mission and trigger the next one. Anyone can walk in and take part. Similarly there are simple 'dogfight' servers where you can jump in and take part in the often manic fight-til-you-die dogfights (not my preference). Then, as I mentioned before, some of the community put together a series of missions to create a campaign in which thiose who register for it can take part and are assigned roles. Unfortunately there is no dynamic campaign generator (yet?) to take one mission on to the next logical stage.

Some Squads work together online in private servers in campaigns they have built and don't have the general public involved.

I have never met anyone who flew online that went on to prefer offline play for those reasons. I expect there are some because you don't build a 'career' online except perhaps among your squadmates if you join a squad. Also some people like long structured campagns even of they are only AI.

Online play gives a different, personal, feel to CoD. If you want to try it, have a look at the ATAG server and use their Teamspeak on 216.52.148.29. Jump in and say Hi.

Good post Klem!

And even years after that to get the 190, but this time WITHOUT the bar !

No interest in multi player!!??!!
that's your problem right there...
I hope the devs don't waist precious time and money on single player.

This is 2012 ! why would anybody fly against a mindless AI enemy when the world is connected with high speed internet.
I played IL2 46 for 8years versus the AI and thought I knew how to fly.
Then I tried multiplayer and found out I was wrong!
Real human opponents talking to each on Team Speak and working as a team are so much better than any AI .No matter how well it is programmed.

Don't installed it if you are only gonna play with your self. you are missing the point !

Well I wouldnt say that playing with yourself is missing the point...But you really should try CLOD online!! ;)
Sorry, just couldnt resist