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Thee_oddball 05-31-2012 12:38 AM

capitalism is like professional sports...there's one winner in the end and ALOT of losers :( , the golden rule has never changed :( . I wonder if we could breed greed resistant corn?:) cross corn with a Venus fly trap and program it to eat anything that smells like ivy league and wears a $2000 suit :-)

S!

BadAim 05-31-2012 01:53 AM

That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

ATAG_Bliss 05-31-2012 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 430490)
That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

Noone is saying that everyone with a bunch of money is some greedy bastard, but to deny their influence and what they can do with it (power = money) means we'll never have that provision.

You can have all the checks and balances in the world, but you step out of line in the big picture of influential money, you won't be around long.

Society has a hell of a lot of growing up to do before we can ever think about getting rid of corruption on any level. When things cost money, jealousy and greed will always rule the day.

About the only thing we've accomplished since the computer age that's world changing is making more advanced ways to kill people for what we want (weapons, tanks, you name it), finding ways to waste fossil fuels at an astronomical level, and essentially ruining the planet in the long haul.

When 30% of the world starves everyday, I'd hardly call capitalism or any other monetary system doing anything good at all. The only thing that comes from money is greed. Are there good people in the world? Sure there are. Name one millionaire that ever gave away every red cent he owned? He worked his ass off (maybe) to get where he was, because under the system having money means you can have a good life. And because of that system, by nature, every single one of us, unless we feel like doing nothing and dying is greedy. I'll admit it. I could be the good samaritan and make it my life goal to help as many people as possible. But we don't get paid for that. And considering goods have costs, we need to make money to live.

If our goal as a world population isn't about making society a better place, (which it's not by any force of the imagination), then I can see no good in any sort of monetary system at all.

The current world revolves around quick profits and maximizing cash flow. Why do you think a soft drink that's composed of 98% water and mixed with sugars and a whole bunch of other things somehow costs less than a bottle of water in the 1st place? That's why we can have $1 cheeseburger and some lettuce costs you twice the amount.

I go along with it - what else can you do? But to say that capitalism or any other monetary system is ever good for a society is very naive. Money is there for control and power. Every path with it is the same. And just because you have money, doesn't even come close for recognition of someone's intelligence. The 1st problem with society is thinking that in the 1st place.

And if you don't think capitalism is 100% controlled by some of the biggest thugs in the world, I'm at a complete loss. We get what we want by force. We park an aircraft carrier or battle ship out of the coast of some country to get a treaty signed, we put our own leaders in place that follow suit. We get rid of people that don't. If you don't think this goes on all the way at the top of capitalism, then you my friend, need a reality check.

This wasn't an insult/jab or anything at you BadAim. I just don't think our ideas of good or works match up. I think we have the biggest failure the world has ever seen happening right now. And money, especially a capitalistic society is %99.99999999 the cause of it. Btw, I'm not saying any other system is better, because I don't have the answers. But I do know that what we do today is an utter disgrace.

chantaje 05-31-2012 03:22 AM

Great doc, thanks for posting.
in my country in the past 10 years the production of soybeans have increased exponentially. thanks to the "biotech" it become much more profitable than any other use of the land and it replaced cow, grains and all the "traditional" farming. for example the last 2 years we started importing meat, a thing that dont happen in the entire history of the country. great corporations now control great portions of the farming land , they were buying all the "small farmers" land the last years that was more common in the last century.

imo its a great advance of the cience but like any other thing in the world without control and with abuse is destructive..


OT; i found this short vid , i think its interesting when they try to explain the "mentality" of the """" elites"""" , nothing new but this time from the inside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWe5ZHSSSP0&feature=plcp

Thee_oddball 05-31-2012 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadAim (Post 430490)
That's a crock of S**t. Capitalism is the only market that actually works. Socialism and communism don't work because everything is run by people with great education and no common sense, and thugs, respectively. That's why the US is falling apart as we speak, because it's run by lawyers. If the lawyers weren't running everything, these kinds of things wouldn't happen.

A true free market with modest checks and balances, combined with a plain language legal system and provision for hanging politicians that don't act in the best interest of their constituents would clean up most of the problems.

Not all corporations and large companies are run by greedy people, and not all rich people are greedy, most of them just work hard. and smart.

And what the hell does the golden rule have to do with it?

sorry bro but Socialism works when properly managed...


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Unions in the US are considered socialists even though they represent the working class. In Germany, it’s required for worker representation to be half of board members of companies. In Germany, the industrial and financial sectors are highly regulated keeping jobs from being outsourced and ensuring main street benefits rather than just wall street. According to conservative ideology, this kind of socialist practices and union power should destroy the economy and destroy innovation and yet the complete opposite is the result.
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Most Americans, I suspect, believe we're losing manufacturing because we can't compete against cheap Chinese Labor. But Germany has remained a manufacturing giant notwithstanding the rise of East Asia, making high-end products with a workforce that is more unionised and better paid than ours. German exports came to $1.1 trillion in 2009 -- roughly $125 billion more than we exported, though there are just 82 million Germans to our 310 million Americans. Germany's yearly trade balance went from a deficit of $6 billion in 1998 to a surplus of $267 billion in 2008 -- the same year the United States ran a trade deficit of $569 billion. Over those same 10 years, Germany's annual growth rate per capita exceeded ours.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063004199.html
add to the fact that they have a FULLY functioning socialised medical system (Bismarck) and of the 16 states in Germany 11 of them have free college education (hmmm smells like socialism). they want you educated and productive not some unemployable drain on the system.



You will also find that it is not only Germany that does this...

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The Nordic model refers to the economic and social models of the Nordic countries (Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland). This particular adaptation of the mixed market economy is characterised by more generous welfare states (relative to other developed countries), which are aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy, ensuring the universal provision of basic human rights and stabilising the economy. It is distinguished from other welfare states with similar goals by its emphasis on maximising labour force participation, promoting gender equality, egalitarian and extensive benefit levels, large magnitude of redistribution, and liberal use of expansionary fiscal policy.This has included high degrees of labour union membership. In 2008, labour union density was 67.5% in Finland, 67.6% in Denmark, and 68.3% in Sweden. In comparison, union membership was 11.9% in the United States and 7.7% in France.[106] The Nordic Model, however, is not a single model with specific components or rules; each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.
socialism is not some freedom ending monster that you have been led to believe it is...

p.s the golden rule? who has the gold rules...and that has not changed

Thee_oddball 05-31-2012 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss (Post 430497)
Noone is saying that everyone with a bunch of money is some greedy bastard, but to deny their influence and what they can do with it (power = money) means we'll never have that provision.

You can have all the checks and balances in the world, but you step out of line in the big picture of influential money, you won't be around long.

Society has a hell of a lot of growing up to do before we can ever think about getting rid of corruption on any level. When things cost money, jealousy and greed will always rule the day.

About the only thing we've accomplished since the computer age that's world changing is making more advanced ways to kill people for what we want (weapons, tanks, you name it), finding ways to waste fossil fuels at an astronomical level, and essentially ruining the planet in the long haul.

When 30% of the world starves everyday, I'd hardly call capitalism or any other monetary system doing anything good at all. The only thing that comes from money is greed. Are there good people in the world? Sure there are. Name one millionaire that ever gave away every red cent he owned? He worked his ass off (maybe) to get where he was, because under the system having money means you can have a good life. And because of that system, by nature, every single one of us, unless we feel like doing nothing and dying is greedy. I'll admit it. I could be the good samaritan and make it my life goal to help as many people as possible. But we don't get paid for that. And considering goods have costs, we need to make money to live.

If our goal as a world population isn't about making society a better place, (which it's not by any force of the imagination), then I can see no good in any sort of monetary system at all.

The current world revolves around quick profits and maximizing cash flow. Why do you think a soft drink that's composed of 98% water and mixed with sugars and a whole bunch of other things somehow costs less than a bottle of water in the 1st place? That's why we can have $1 cheeseburger and some lettuce costs you twice the amount.

I go along with it - what else can you do? But to say that capitalism or any other monetary system is ever good for a society is very naive. Money is there for control and power. Every path with it is the same. And just because you have money, doesn't even come close for recognition of someone's intelligence. The 1st problem with society is thinking that in the 1st place.

And if you don't think capitalism is 100% controlled by some of the biggest thugs in the world, I'm at a complete loss. We get what we want by force. We park an aircraft carrier or battle ship out of the coast of some country to get a treaty signed, we put our own leaders in place that follow suit. We get rid of people that don't. If you don't think this goes on all the way at the top of capitalism, then you my friend, need a reality check.

This wasn't an insult/jab or anything at you BadAim. I just don't think our ideas of good or works match up. I think we have the biggest failure the world has ever seen happening right now. And money, especially a capitalistic society is %99.99999999 the cause of it. Btw, I'm not saying any other system is better, because I don't have the answers. But I do know that what we do today is an utter disgrace.


well said +1


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