It was a terrible movie because they put in a love story to make it more human or whatever.

**** why do they ALWAYS DO THAT.

Simple Answer: Remember Master and Commander by Peter Weir? Perfectly done, historically accurate to the last detail, beautiful pictures, and no love story at all - the only female actor in the whole film had a silent 20 second appearance (effecting a really nice whistful look of Russel Crowe)...

And what happend? It flopped at the box office, that's what. A pity, but it is the answer to your question.

It seems that war movies without love in them only attract males or overwhelmingly male whereas a guy can at least lure his date to see it with him if it has a love story.

However there is hope. Seems there is a group of people alive and well on Youtube that dedicate themselves to taking these movies and painstakingly go through them and cut out all the mush and they've created a whole genre called all war no love.

They have these up there and some hour and a half flix are pared down to half hour or less. All action no love.

I think 12 o'clock high is up there and I think it's only 18 minutes long.

Probably you're right. I remember lively discussions on the exact sequence of firing a 12 pounder, none of the girlfriends was really interested in...

... but to take an existing film, which - wether I personally like it or not - is a piece of art created by its director, and to eliminate all these scenes sounds rather cruel to me. I seem to remember having heard something similiar on removing scenes with somebody smoking from films (youth protection or so). Imagine what would be left of Casablanca...

thats exactly why female are better at poker

all war no love :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fRYDgndw8U

edit:

curiously i learnt from a girl the hit and run away tactics of the 190

in what a mans mind can you think of running away with the tail between the legs ;)

What a completely fabricated statement!!! You couldn't have possibly been more wrong in your claim, and you certainly can not claim to have ever seen the movie yourself. The fact is: There is not a single female actor (previously known as Actresses) in the movie "Twelve O'Clock High"...and having been produced/released in the 'pre-modern' era in 1946, there is also not even the slightest hint of a gay male-male love story. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041996/fullcredits
Ohhhh...Also, the movie is 2Hrs 12Mins long...much longer than most movies of the 21st century. So your claim that only 18 minutes of the movie does not involve a "Love Story" is even more ludicrous.

Now, I will give you a break....It is true that "Twelve O'Clock High" is a Thinking Man's War Movie....and it is likely that only 18 minutes is of "Aerial Combat Action", whether dramatized or in the form of WWII combat footage. The movie is about leadership and the demands of Command Responsibility on senior Military Commanders.

Most importantly, as evidence of that, the movie is used in the USAF officer training programs as a means of discussing and developing military leadership and management skills.

Great movie with some great scenes. Also with 2 beautiful women. The only scene that is awful is the Spits MkI or II escorting B-17G´s! I like some love and sex in war aviation movies, after all it´s nice to have women playing with my stick, we both have joy! :-P

That might be the best argument I've ever read for what makes a great movie. Especially aviation movies. Any movie needs strong story development to be good. Even if it is a love interest. It needs character development so the viewer feels some involvement with the people on the screen. Just having booming and zooming airplanes doesn't make a movie. It might make a good documentary, but it doesn't make good entertainment.

Most of the aerial shots in "dark blue world" where "stolen" from unused material from the epic "battle of britain" movie from 1969.
There's a scene with a polished B-25, that plane was the most important camera platform in the original movie.
However, it's a nice movie. I love the scene with the train attack...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stVlJXAsbQ

Follow this link to see some incredible "making of" pics from the original battle of britain movie

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/bob/behind.htm