Originally Posted by NedLynch (Post 344969)

They did communicate that to us, maybe you want to read the sticky for this beta patch again.
It is the purpose of a beta patch, which is by it's definition unfinished and experimental, to see how it runs and apart from the effects bug it runs just fine. So they are going to iron this out and release a stable retail patch.

In the meantime roll back to a previous version or turn the effects off.

We could only be upset if this had been the retail patch.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 344946)

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 344946)

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville (Post 344990)

Maybe the question should be 'why do we even bother'? Of what value is a beta patch in terms of information gathering when it locks up the sim within seconds (not related to explosions) and one has to kill it with Task Manager....generating no crash dump files whatsoever? It is unplayable, with far worse FPS and no I won't turn down one of the few things that make it enjoyable. Whose fault is that? Ours? FYI, we essentially 'agreed' (for 'agreed' read 'were duped') to being Alpha testers when we bought this, not to mention being conned into buying something that bears no resemblance to what CoD actually is. Most here have done their fair share of testing, (and shown quite remarkable patience). That wasn't the deal....if you remember. ;)

Half a year on, still the 'one step forwards, two back' dance. FYI I have made a truckload of bug reports and tried to help, but it feels like trying to help a CRACKHEAD who pockets the money you gave him for food and clothes and returns to the demon glass pipe. :grin:

It's a p*ss take of Biblical proportion and most people have little enough free time to enjoy themselves as it is. I already have a job, don't need need two. CoD at times is work. I am not a 1c employee, and while I will try to help (and certainly have done) within reason, getting things sorted is in fact their job. Capische?

Cheers. :)

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 344946)

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

Originally Posted by Vengeanze (Post 345014)

Well put Orville. I've spent more time testing and tweaking this game than actually enjoying it.
It's more than obvious that 1C do not have their own testers and that they rely on us to do their work. I wouldn't mind being a beta tester but alpha? Nah.
I'm not sure I like this new process where the customers/clients are the alpha testers. Make a parallell with buying a car or any other product if you will.

- "Great. Now the turn indicators work but they're inverted (handle down=right indicator and vv). I love the new iPhone gadget you introduced but now the brakes don't work anymore."

I suggest 1C asks the community for beta testers and pick out 300 or so for a closed beta. Then sets up a closed beta server and give the testers a t-shirt and a mug or something and mention them in the "thank you" text in the game.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 345036)

Really, I think Luthier shouldn't bother anymore, its clear this project is well over the heads of the DEv's, give the game to the community, let the real pro's fix it like they did Il2.