Competition is a good thing, it helps to keep everyone on their toes, and it can inspire each party to innovate and also learn from each other. I say bring it on, it's not in the General Discussion Forum so I think it's ok to post it here.

Maybe, maybe not. Actually WoP reminds me of IL-2 1946. The same selection of planes and theaters at least.

Regarding how different they are I'm not so sure either. Sorry. Right now IL-2 CloD has literally no campaign. It's a pure dogfighting simulation with more content added by fans but that content usually is not a deep story campaign with videos and voice acting either.

So regarding that they are basically the same.


Yes, mechanics might be different and eventually the fidelity of the flight model will be too. But I'm always struggeling with "realism" because only a very tiny fragment is realistic, even in CloD. No one can really re-create or simulate the times back then. Only the FM and that is apparently a struggle to get right, judging from the many posts going on about the issues. :-P


What you're saying is probably partly true. To some degree. But on the other hand side it's not.
For example we have laws here, domiciliary rights basically. You can't for example go to a store and advertise your own product there. Even if it's just customers they'd get thrown out.
The same with many establishments - you can't just bring your own food with you and eat it. Maybe it's brutal but then again - a company can't exist from thin air.


The way things look we'll soon only see free to play couch potatoe titles anyways. They're just much more lucrative and people just love to spread the news and simply say: hey, just download it, it's free! Maybe I'm too involved in the industry to overlook the dangers. So yeah, both sides have something to it I guess - I just get a very nasty feeling in my stomach seeing this.

Im agree that like an arcade game could not be on my interest to play it, but must see it has many good points and things to learn from in the graphical aspect.

IE: did you noticed the volumetric clouds, and the volumetric cloud in take on helicopters? I remember than in less than 1 year i asked in this forum for this kind of cloud to have others simmers oppinions, and the most of them said that this tecnology would decrease the fps to unplayable levels, other said that this kind of cloud were ugly.I think this clouds are the future and clod should use it as soon as posible.

you cant be a developers in a genre and be at the top of your game without paying attention to what luthier has coigned the "competition"

Its all good. and for good reason.

Looks quite good, but i wont be getting it, if i cant fly through the tree's:rolleyes:

The first Gaigin title 'IL2 Sturmovik - Birds of Prey' (for consoles) and then later transported to PC as 'Wings of Prey' was based on the IL2 Engine. Gaigin dumbed down the FM and stitched their graphics engine onto it.

You need to read Olegs views on why he felt that this translation was a step in the right direction.

Interestingly, 'Birds of Steel' for consoles is due to be released and this is based on the Pacific theatre and more than likely based on the Il2 Pacific fighters engine since Gaigin probaably had access to that as well.

If that is true it will be interesting to see if NG products are "featured" and what ships are there. I saw that the Avenger has been released for FSX.

I was under the impression that they were going to use the il2 engine but in the end used there own!

I chuckle every time I read a thread like this. The usual mob swinging their pitchforks in the air "HERESY HERESY!!". I enjoy a proper home cooked dinner, it takes time and labour to make but it's rewarding, I also enjoy a quick, greasy kebab/pizza/hamburger sometimes. Why must one bash the other? It's narrow minded, ignorant and just plain childish IMO. Also look in the grand perspective of things, these kind of games creates interest in the sim genre for people looking for a deeper experience. What's with the fear and bashing? It boggles my mind.

I know i should have an open mind it but I am negative for this game not because of what it represent but because of the trolls that come out of the wood work and say how it's a better sim than il2, they are completely different.

If you go on simhq much you will know what I mean.