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I wonder if an issue is the size of the maps required? Though doing an entire 'Eastern Front' campaign map would entail as much, if not more, than a Med one, it would be feasible enough to do a smaller one (just the Smolensk - Moscow region?), and still have plenty of space for a decent campaign. In contrast, a Med map would need to be quite large to do justice to the historical context - fronts moved rapidly etc. Perhaps a Med map would involve too much work, or put too much strain on current hardware?

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Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw* (Post 283724)

Would totally agree the Med is much more logical as a sequel, although there are some errors in your list above.

1) No carriers used in the Crete campaign.

True, not in the May 1941Crete campaign, per se. Other Brit convoys were attacked by LW, with losses of cruisers, destroyers, transports etc...but no Brit carrier operations.

However, Brit carriers Ark Royal and Illustrious and one or two others were active in Med in 1940 (for example, Illustrious in attack upon Taranto in Nov 1940). Later, in summer '42, several carriers were active and Indomitable, specifically, was attacked by LW Stukas.

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Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw* (Post 283724)

2) Malta would be a good addition, this would require RN Carriers. Aircraft on the Carriers absolutely required would be Sea Hurricane I (same as Hurri I but +16 boost and tailhook) and Swordfish. ...
Game already has the AI Glad so it could be implemented fairly easily. It was also the first defending land based fighter on Malta. The Italians would need the MC-200 for early Malta, and MC-202 for late plus and SM-79.

I agree. Swordfish would be a Must-have aircraft (see note about Taranto, above), and Macchi 200 and 202's also. FYI, if interested in Malta Gladiators, see the "Faith, Hope, and Charity" IL-2 movie here: http://www.flightsimmachinima.com/fa...en-productions

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Originally Posted by JG27_brook (Post 283714)

Enjoying the E3 but just give me a "190" soon

With a great big bar obscuring the bottom of the windscreen! :grin:

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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 283725)

Well, as much as I want the Med, and believe me I want it badly, The Battle of Moscow does not require any capitol ships to be modeled.

Note we have no warships of any kind in CloD.

I suspect that modeling at least one battleship type, and cruiser type, and two destroyer types, for the Italian and British navies, and a Royal Navy aircraft carrier with the appropriate aircraft types for it would take a year in and of themselves, not counting any new maps.

I'll bet most of the Russian Front stuff has been done for a long time now.

;)

Don't you think they could use IL2 ships?

I realize they won't be 16 poly, but all I've ever done is blow them up. I really think Oleg must have planned to do something with the IL2 ships, because there was never any real effort made for ships. That does seem abit strange, because the Battle of Britain started with concentrated attacks on British shipping.

Like yourself, I'd love to do the Hurricanes, Glads and Spits out of Malta. We have most of the aircraft now, with the Italian aircraft, etc.

All we need is the maps covering southern Italy, Malta and North Africa. LOL

Well, 1C is a russian company so naturally they're closer to the interests and wants of the russian players. Secondly I remember pics of Oleg showing Il-2 1946 to President Medvedev last year along with reports that the russian state and 1C have signed a contract for state subsidies for the development of computer games which show aspects of Russia's history to the younger generation.

As much as I'd love a dedicated Malta scenario, the Moscow addon makes more sense for 1c as a whole. The future for them is to share many of their models and other content for ease of production over a number of different games. Men of War 2 and future ToW series etc might well be fought in the clod engine. Focusing on the East is just good resource management.

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Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider (Post 283692)

All the talk on the forums seems to focus on the Battle of Moscow as the first sequel to COD. Some of this is apparently based upon some hint by Oleg, and/or a poster at an SOW:BOB demo-show(?).

In a recent thread, a discussion began about which aircraft would be needed for such a Battle of Moscow flightsim sequel. Answer:many Russian aircraft would need to be developed/added to the COD baseline, along with additional Luftwaffe aircraft types and models not used in BofB/COD. After all, the invasion of Russia did not begin until June 1941, almost a year after the Battle of Britain began. Also, the new Maps required would have to be failry extensive. It seems that a considerable amount of programming and design, etc, would be required for a Battle of Moscow sequel.

I've long been curious as to why the Mediterranean Theater of Operations (MTO) would not be the next planned theater for a COD sequel. The role of the Italian Regia Aeronautica in the Battle of Britain was merely a curiosity, insignificant. So, why would so much programming effort in COD development have been diverted to such a relatively obscure matter. To me, it only makes sense if it were planned by 1C to use those RA aircraft in a Mediterranean scenario/sequel, released relatively quickly after SOW:BoB/COD release.

Battle of the Mediterranean, 1940-1941

Italians aerial assault on Malta beginning June 1940: COD has RAF Gladiators and Hurricanes, and most of the significant Italian RA aircraft. One would just need maps, which would seem to be much less complex maps than the UK/France maps of COD. COD would need to add SM-79.

Italians in North Africa attack British forces in Egypt in Sep 1940. Again, COD has all of the necessary RAF and most of the necessary RA aircraft.

Italians invade Greece in October 1940. Ditto above.

Germans invade Yugoslavia and Greece in April 1941. COD has 90% of the necessary Luftwaffe aircraft and all the RAF aircraft.

Germans attack Crete and British Naval task forces in Mediterranean. COD Luftwaffe has almost all necessary aircraft. COD would have to add British Carrier(s) and carrier-based aircraft.

Rommel battles British in North Africa from Spring 1941. Would only need COD to add P40B/C for RAF, SAAF of Desert Air Force

It would seem that with a relatively small effort/cost, IL-2: MTO could be released very soon after all the major problems with COD are worked out and patched.

imho

As far as I know, Battle for Moscow isn't the next addon being done by Maddox Games. Battle of Moscow is a third party addon using the new IL-2 engine. Maddox Games has hinted for some time that the Med could be "their" next addon although Oleg mentioned he was researching their next addon and people will be surprised at the location. This leads me to believe it may not be the Med. The Battle for Moscow will probably be out before Maddox Games even comes close to making their next addon to the new series.

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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 283725)

Well, as much as I want the Med, and believe me I want it badly, The Battle of Moscow does not require any capitol ships to be modeled.

Note we have no warships of any kind in CloD. ......
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... yes, agree ! I dont care that much on what comes next as long as the existing sim is not even fully operational ! ! ! !
Learn to walk before you try to run !
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Maybe they'll go right to Korea! :)

They have had many of the mdoels done for quite a long time...

I think it would make most sense to carry on with the ETO, using an extended version of the current map for 1941, and then bring in the Russian front at the appropriate point in the time-line. Jumping from BoB to Barbarossa is bullcrap.