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ATAG_Doc 05-02-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cheesehawk (Post 277475)
Also, pay attention to your relative energy states, flying now is really about conservation of energy in the 109. Don't turn and burn, and get low and slow against anyone, or you're simply not going to make up the distance quickly.

That means no more ground hugging turning and burning. You have to fly it as if your life really depended on it.

Blackdog_kt 05-02-2011 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by timej31 (Post 277489)
Dude I must have NO2 on my E3 because I almost rear-end them.

Hahah, that's funny but it's also what i've experienced after taking the time to experiment and find out what works and what doesn't.

I don't know if the AI cheats but if it does, it certainly cheats on a much lesser degree that it used to do in IL2. I have no problem catching them in a 109 and i can hold my own just fine against AI Hurricanes in a 110 too.

It's not easy because it involves keeping your relative energy state in mind at all times while doing your best to maximize the differential in your favor through the right maneuvers and the correct CEM, but AI being impossible to catch? Not by a long shot, unless they do have the faster aircraft and they play it to its strengths.

Ivan Fooker 05-02-2011 10:24 PM

Well try to overhaul a Blenheim on its flight back home.
Try to keep on a Blenheims six in a dogfight.

The AI is not using the same limits as a player use.
CEM gives a player the possibility to get the rest of its engine.

But that has nothing to do with a not balanced AI, what it is atm.
There are already several threads about that topic.

If you think CEM seperates from Pros and Rooks...i must suppose you are no real pilot, which is absolutely ok, but dont expect too much in relation to RL from the CEM.
It is just the a piece of basics you cover with the ingame CEM.
Neverhtless the AI "cheats" ... more than in Il2...as in Il2 it kept almost to its limits.

ElAurens 05-02-2011 10:36 PM

Odd, I have no trouble running down any bomber, Human or AI, with any of the single seaters.

When I fly the Hurri, 109s always can disengage and leave me in the dust. At least the smart ones do, but mostly they stick around and try to mix it up with me, probably because they see the Hurri as easy meat.

I love it when they do that.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Blackdog_kt 05-03-2011 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ivan Fooker (Post 277570)
Well try to overhaul a Blenheim on its flight back home.
Try to keep on a Blenheims six in a dogfight.

The AI is not using the same limits as a player use.
CEM gives a player the possibility to get the rest of its engine.

But that has nothing to do with a not balanced AI, what it is atm.
There are already several threads about that topic.

If you think CEM seperates from Pros and Rooks...i must suppose you are no real pilot, which is absolutely ok, but dont expect too much in relation to RL from the CEM.
It is just the a piece of basics you cover with the ingame CEM.
Neverhtless the AI "cheats" ... more than in Il2...as in Il2 it kept almost to its limits.

I'm not saying using CEM somehow makes me a superior to those who don't, neither that it's completely lifelike and the AI sure needs some adjustment. All i'm saying is i have no problem doing what you describe, nothing more, nothing less, despite the current state of AI or how realistic the CEM is, that's all ;)

Pluto 05-03-2011 07:36 AM

fighting in the 109
 
To shoot down AI Hurricane with BF109 is not so hard (flying on full real with CEM). Just watch your proppitch and ATA (keep ATA arround 1.3 and RPMs arround 2000 most of the time), keep both radiators full open, the 109 is anyway much faster than the Hurricane. Just dont try to "dance" (twist and turn) with it. The Hurricane can do that much better than the 109.
If you have 3 or 4 against you, you better run!
:)

David198502 05-03-2011 08:31 AM

i have no problem either to catch hurries with my bf.prop pitch rpms are all i watch.i didnt focus on rudder trimming yet,but i will try as someone mentioned that its important as well.but catching hurries is easy

moilami 05-03-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt (Post 277605)
I'm not saying using CEM somehow makes me a superior to those who don't, neither that it's completely lifelike and the AI sure needs some adjustment. All i'm saying is i have no problem doing what you describe, nothing more, nothing less, despite the current state of AI or how realistic the CEM is, that's all ;)

Non CEMmers are equal to CEMmers in Air Quake. But other than that they simply blows, I guess.

machoo 05-03-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc_uk (Post 277375)
The Al are cheating, I tell you:grin:

They do. They do mad vertical dives while at the same time barrel roll and pull up like a stunt plane. It's bollocks. And they do super insane vertical climbs.

machoo 05-03-2011 09:17 AM

Ps. The Ai have Haxx!


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