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sloppy_clock 10-17-2009 08:03 AM

If you dont like it, dont play it. Have you even played any other WW2 fighter games on XBOX360 or PS3? Blazing Angels? Christ IL2 is a HUGE leap forward. In that game, your on full throttle for less than two seconds before your plane leaps into the sky without any user input.
Look, this is the first attempt any company has taken to try and put a decent flight sim onto consoles; and to be honest I think they've done a really good job. It's more realistic than CFS3 for gods sake!
In regards to your landing problem, I've only just unlocked sim mode and have no problem landing or taking off at all.

Pup 10-17-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 111785)
Why do you still think the tipping over is a glitch? I don't understand, do you not have to deal with weight transfer when wheel braking in IL2 1946?

It makes perfect sense to me. Its like heavy breaking on a bicycle with all your weight over the front wheel. You will be ok if you still going quite fast, but once you slow to a certain speed you will fly over the handle bars if you don't ease up on the brakes.

How can it be braking, when this happens when using a flightstick which doesnt have the ability to brake until the patch?

Robotic Pope 10-17-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pup (Post 111902)
How can it be braking, when this happens when using a flightstick which doesnt have the ability to brake until the patch?

I don't know, It never happens to me when I don't brake. Raising the elevator stops it. Maybe you are trying to land on ruff land ?

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx 10-17-2009 11:18 PM

I used to have the tipping problem... But I realised what I was doing wrong. I would try to go "force" the back wheels to stay on the ground by using my elevators. That was only making the problem worse, so when I stopped using elevators on landing, and let the plane come down on it's own, it wouldn't tip. Try this and see if it helps.

Ancient Seraph 10-17-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xX-SiLeNCE-Xx (Post 111910)
I used to have the tipping problem... But I realised what I was doing wrong. I would try to go "force" the back wheels to stay on the ground by using my elevators. That was only making the problem worse, so when I stopped using elevators on landing, and let the plane come down on it's own, it wouldn't tip. Try this and see if it helps.

I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.

Tudorp15 10-18-2009 12:13 AM

Dunno.. I do force the tail down to shift my center of gravity, but only when my speed is low enough not to create more lift when you change the pitch of the wings.. If you are going too fast when you put the tail down, the change in pitch of the wing will gather more air than when horizontal, and the plane will try to lift off the ground again, causing a stall, then you nose over in a low level stall. So, you MUST be going slow enough to NOT lift the wings when you change the pitch of the plane when you push the tail down...


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Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph (Post 111915)
I think this actually is the problem. People try to force the tail down even when it still has lift. I'm guessing this'll make it bump up, crashing the nose into the ground.


FOZ_1983 10-18-2009 12:25 AM

Which is why you should let the rear wheel come down on its own and when its ready ;)

Wayfindre 10-18-2009 12:26 AM

The lift vector of a horizontal stabilizer is down... counter to the lift vector of the wings. Sounds like maybe this specific aircraft design had a tendency to tail stall in ground effect?

I don't know anything about this airraft but what everyone is describing sounds like a tail stall to me.

Tudorp15 10-18-2009 12:44 AM

Generally, yes, I agree... But, sometimes, as in battle you may be in a hurry to to get landed, and stopped (CTA?) and you want to get the tail down quicker, there is a way to do it safely. but you need to understand the laws of physics, gravity, lift, etc to drastically change protocal, and truly understand how to do something that you wouldn't normally do safely. But, yes, ordinarily, you would let the tail come down on it's own in a casual "civilian" style of landing, hehheh...



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Originally Posted by FOZ_1983 (Post 111918)
Which is why you should let the rear wheel come down on its own and when its ready ;)


FOZ_1983 10-18-2009 12:45 AM

couldnt agree more, but for me..... i use the joystick and without a brake... well landing isnt generally a good idea on CTA, it takes to long to come to a halt so im best dogfighting and defending anyone who is trying to land.


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