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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

More nonsense, sorry.

In CloD we have much better trees. We don't have "invisible trees".!

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

We have more real railroads and roads. We have CURVES!

Woot... Not that much of a Sim Killer IMO

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

We have much better terrain shading.!

Again not that much of a difference and at the cost of Performance. COD is a PIG right now.

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

We have much better planes and cockpits, and pilots, gunners, etc.

Better planes... You mean the handful that are flyable? Sure the Models are nicer but not that much different than some of the latest fromt the Mod groups. The people are much better looking but again at what cost to performance?

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

We have amazing and detailed ground units, with decent physics.

Great for a shooter and Physics... Any CPU cycle spent on animating a Wheel over terrain is a waste of time. The game is just now becoming playable even on VERY high end rigs.

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

And MUCH more, effects, etc... A long list!.

Like what specifically? The special effects are subtle at best. Heck the dang sound doesn't even work properly. Crappy IL2 sounds to boot.

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 297317)

"Not that much different than IL2 with exception of a few high res textures" is a joke... And a bad one!

You're right it is a joke at this stage of the game. I wouldn't even consider it to be a fully funtional a game yet. It's beta with many many things missing. QMB? There is more funtionality in IL2 QMB when it was released in 2001 than COD has here in 2011.

Take a look at DCS A10c. It's a DX9c game that is doing WAY more than IL2 COD which is a DX10 game and runs much nicer and it even has Cockpit shadows and HDR to boot. As I said before if you can have all that eye candy and it performs you have my attention. Right now COD is on my hard drive ready for the next few patches before I will look at it again. It's missing way too much content and it has a long way to go before I would consider it to be Viable. It's and early Beta. Guy salavating over the graphics need to go back and look at SAS and UP3.0 RC before they throw the baby out with the bath water. COD is not all that and a hand bag.

you know you can deconstruct any argument that way, it doesn't matter if its true or not...

don't forget that this sim isnt ready yet as Luthier states
many new features isn't ready yet
at the end we will have the best WWII sim ever
-S-

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Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing (Post 297323)

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You're right it is a joke at this stage of the game. I wouldn't even consider it to be a fully funtional a game yet. It's beta with many many things missing.

God it's killing me...Oh OK what did you expect?

Everyone sounds like a used car salesmen. This doesn't have this and its beta and it sucks however I have this 1990 toyota that has this ashtray. Find a car today that includes an ashtray. YOU CAN'T FIND IT! This is why you need this and you look so good in it.

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Originally Posted by timej31 (Post 297353)

Hmmm you should catch up with the conversation... We were talking about comparing Graphics of COD and IL2. I simply stated the difference between the two games as it stands now doesn't warrent some of the praise I've seen on these boards. It runs like poop at the moment and I certainly hope they continue to improve things hence why I bought it.

DCS A-10 great game, bacause of avionics, and cocpit interior... but the landscape... I hate the satelite images. Looks good from 10k, but ugly as sh*t in low flight :cool:

For me it's not about the graphics so much. The aircraft are better looking than IL2, the terrain depends on time of day but i don't mind it that much because it does have multiple times the objects IL2 had. I run mostly medium settings on two year old hardware and it plays fine in any case.

What does it for me is operating the aircraft.
Flying IL2 after flying CoD is like having a co-pilot in the 109 squeezed behind the cockpit, making sure i don't have to do a bunch of stuff that needed to be done, or at the very least hold my hand through it and mitigate any possible negative consequences from my mishandling. And after sampling what little CoD currently has to offer, that is a giant step back for me.

I want the aircraft modeling to reflect some of the individual quirks and nuances of each type, compared to that IL2 currently feels like some accurate numbers (FM) strapped onto a 3d model and not a complete piece of wartime machinery.

There's no feel for what lurks under the hood and how it might come back to bite me in the behind if i'm not careful with it, the workload is highly diminished to the benefit of situational awareness and improved ability to focus on maneuvering and the pretty artificial CEM limitations combined with the small maps make it possible to run around at top performance all day long (reduced fuel and almost constant WEP use).

This doesn't just completely skew tactical considerations and limitations further away from reality, it also influences immersion because there's no feel of having a complex machine around you.

Don't get me wrong, i loved IL2 and have every single title since 2001, but after giving CoD a try it doesn't do much for me anymore.

For me it's the CEM, the detailed autopilots and bombsights, the ability and requirement to properly balance my fuel load in a twin engined aircraft and so on. I wanted IL2 with a bit of FSX thrown in and i got it, so i'm perfectly happy. In other words, it's a matter of taste and priorities.

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Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing (Post 297323)

Are you comparing the texture trees the ones that cover large areas against the individual trees we have in COD? Sorry, apples and oranges. Remember at the time IL2 was released we had Pentium IIIs and 4 along with ATI 9800s. Sure the invisible trees is a pain but from Alt they look fine and in fact do a much better job than the handful of trees we have now that Kill FPS dramatically. Go back and read the patch notes. Trees = FPS Killer. I have several times the horse power now and the new trees don't really look at that much better and they Flicker to boot. Talk about nonesense.

Woot... Not that much of a Sim Killer IMO

Again not that much of a difference and at the cost of Performance. COD is a PIG right now.

Better planes... You mean the handful that are flyable? Sure the Models are nicer but not that much different than some of the latest fromt the Mod groups. The people are much better looking but again at what cost to performance?

Great for a shooter and Physics... Any CPU cycle spent on animating a Wheel over terrain is a waste of time. The game is just now becoming playable even on VERY high end rigs.

Like what specifically? The special effects are subtle at best. Heck the dang sound doesn't even work properly. Crappy IL2 sounds to boot.

You're right it is a joke at this stage of the game. I wouldn't even consider it to be a fully funtional a game yet. It's beta with many many things missing. QMB? There is more funtionality in IL2 QMB when it was released in 2001 than COD has here in 2011.

Take a look at DCS A10c. It's a DX9c game that is doing WAY more than IL2 COD which is a DX10 game and runs much nicer and it even has Cockpit shadows and HDR to boot. As I said before if you can have all that eye candy and it performs you have my attention. Right now COD is on my hard drive ready for the next few patches before I will look at it again. It's missing way too much content and it has a long way to go before I would consider it to be Viable. It's and early Beta. Guy salavating over the graphics need to go back and look at SAS and UP3.0 RC before they throw the baby out with the bath water. COD is not all that and a hand bag.

If you can't fly with great performance in your rig, maybe you must donate it to someone who can use a computer, sorry to say.

But I understand you: you are a fanboy of UP. I like the modpack, but I'm not blind and don't tell lies.

The funny part is you talking that IL-2 with mods looks good as CloD and when exposed to the obvious flaws in old IL-2 1946 engine you start with "apples and oranges"... Go do something usefull, please.

By the way, in my rig trees aren't "FPS killers" at all: I fly with forest = medium and all runs OK.

Tired of all this crap. People don't fly CloD and jump here to talk a lot of Bull#@$@.

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Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing (Post 297323)

Like what specifically? The special effects are subtle at best.\

The proof that this guy NEVER explore CloD and jump here to talk crap!

"Subtle"? Geta life, please! Watch the explosions in CloD, hits on units, smoke effects, physics in vehicles exploding...

"Subtle"... Go fly UP3.0RC, please, untill 2020...

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Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing (Post 297454)

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The game is already released in USA? I ask it, because what you write, it experience (you were flying with cod), or you looked at videos on the youtube, or only you saw a couple of screenshots on google?

For who there is anything experience with the game, and understands it what happens why in the cockpit, it does not say one like that, that the il-2 better. Absurdity, if you look at the CEM only, nothing else, there are light-years between the two games then. In the il-2, one thing better: 300 flyable planes. That's it. (yey yes, cod has many bugs now, but its temporary)