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ACE-OF-ACES 07-19-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by taildraggernut (Post 446437)
I think you are spot on, and every time this Crumpp chap is cornered when debating the alleged problems with the Spitfire his usual 'thugs' jump in to cause a disturbance, in a way to prevent their favourite fighter being outclassed in 'any' way.
Sad but very Very VERY true

CaptainDoggles 07-19-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by taildraggernut (Post 446437)
I think you are spot on, and every time this Crumpp chap is cornered when debating the alleged problems with the Spitfire his usual 'thugs' jump in to cause a disturbance, in a way to prevent their favourite fighter being outclassed in 'any' way.
I think you will find there are just as many 'thugs' on the Allied side of things, who get hot under the collar when there's the potential that the Spitfire might not be the aircraft equivalent of Zeus himself.

winny 07-19-2012 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 446433)
I've read that quote, but Mike Williams seems to have sort of picked it out without including a lot of context from the original source, so it's hard to know exactly what they were referring to.
For your reference, the quote, in context.

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...e/e3a496bc.jpg

Apologies for the quality, it's an iPad screen grab.

Al Schlageter 07-19-2012 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 446440)
I think you will find there are just as many 'thugs' on the Allied side of things, who get hot under the collar when there's the potential that the Spitfire might not be the aircraft equivalent of Zeus himself.
Only when the other thugs try to castrate the Spitfire.

CaptainDoggles 07-19-2012 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch (Post 446438)
So, you want the light elevators of the Spit, and the heavy elevators of the 109.
Among other things, yes.

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Where does the 'normal' bit come in? Which of the aircraft in the game behave 'normally'.
Well for example the Hurricane, by all accounts, was a very stable gun platform. I don't think you'll find anyone disputing this. That could maybe be classed as "normal".

Every aircraft has its quirks and problems, of course. But right now the major difference in game between a Hurri and a Spit is that one is faster. That really shouldn't be the case, don't you think? They should feel different.

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And does it make a difference whether i've got a G940 or a 3D Pro?
Of course it does.

CaptainDoggles 07-19-2012 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Schlageter (Post 446443)
Only when the other thugs try to castrate the Spitfire.
I don't consider asking the developers to model accurate handling characteristics to be a castration.

taildraggernut 07-19-2012 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 446440)
I think you will find there are just as many 'thugs' on the Allied side of things, who get hot under the collar when there's the potential that the Spitfire might not be the aircraft equivalent of Zeus himself.
i think you will find it's the total closed mindedness of people like Crumpp who inflame things, every time he gets nailed with an awkward question he vanishes and then you and some others jump in and start some kind of riot with all the 'please stay on topic bla blah', why is it when I've asked Crumpp all these questions I end up in a debate with you?

taildraggernut 07-19-2012 05:18 PM
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Well for example the Hurricane, by all accounts, was a very stable gun platform. I don't think you'll find anyone disputing this. That could maybe be classed as "normal".
The Hurricane is described as longitudinally unstable in the pilot's notes.

ATAG_Dutch 07-19-2012 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 446445)
Well for example the Hurricane, by all accounts, was a very stable gun platform. I don't think you'll find anyone disputing this. That could maybe be classed as "normal".

Every aircraft has its quirks and problems, of course. But right now the major difference in game between a Hurri and a Spit is that one is faster. That really shouldn't be the case, don't you think? They should feel different.
The Hurri was a stable gun platform largely because of the close grouping of the guns, as against the wide spread along the wing of the Spit. The instability in the Spit when firing was in the yaw axis owing to the uneven firing of the guns.

The Hurri and the Spit in game feel completely different. The Spit is lively, light on the controls, the Hurri is sluggish in comparison and stalls far too easily for me. They're completely different Doggles mate. ;)

CaptainDoggles 07-19-2012 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by taildraggernut (Post 446447)
i think you will find it's the total closed mindedness of people like Crumpp who inflame things, every time he gets nailed with an awkward question he vanishes and then you and some others jump in and start some kind of riot with all the 'please stay on topic bla blah', why is it when I've asked Crumpp all these questions I end up in a debate with you?
If you don't want other people jumping in, then take it to PM. This is a public forum, not a dueling arena.

I furthermore don't think that wanting to stay on topic is "starting a riot". This thread is cluttered enough as is, and I hope the moderators come and remove some of the clutter.


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