Yes I'm not disputing that, they are retreating, indeed they are, but the doom and gloom mongerers are blaming man for it when there are too many other factors in the whole equation that are also contributing to the retreat. Solar activity has increased in the last twenty years, flares and sunspots, I'm an amatuer astronomist, a member of a club in fact and it's a fact that solar activity has increased in output. The pendulum will swing the other way and fluctation cycle continues. The glacial period we are currently in, yes I said glacial period as a "glacial period" is signified by having a polar ice cap on both poles, is currently experiencing a warming phase. The warming at the end of the last maximum extant was dramatic and pronounced so much so that the north sea that separates the island of Great Britain from the rest of the continent, the flooding of Doggerland, has been postulated to happening within four or five generations by archeologists studying that period. So the warming we are experiencing now is small fry compared to that sudden and very dramatic climate change ......................

The opinions of those on this thread are irrelevant. The scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is occurring, and that it will have serious consequences. All the crap about 'conspiracies' and 'cover ups' won't change that one iota. Either the scientists are wrong, or the crackpots. I know who I'd put my money on...

Andy scientific consenus on anthropogenic climate change took a bullet to the head, common parlance (joke) :), with the climate gate scandal and they've been treading water and trying to claw back credability ever since. And of course you're right our opinions on this thread are irrevelant, yes the climate has warmed at the poles and Greenland, and glacial experts can prove glacial maximums and retreats even without the human factor. It's there in the fossil record, the ice cores, the Irish bog oak samples, etc., I could go on. What's in dispute is this current slight warming blip as man's fault, and that's yet to be proved ................

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Nothing we post here matters. Hopefully people will start listening to the scientists.

The was no 'climate gate scandal' All there was was an attempt to concoct one out of selective quotation from stolen e-mails. You've been had...

Ah not this .............. sorry when they put they're money and show the real figures well then we'll listen, shrug our shoulders and say, "And no wonder you changed the figures!" And we'll go back to our lives and never worry about it again .........................

Andy I haven't been had, they DID doctor the results ......................

Nope. You were the victim of an orchestrated campaign to discredit science (to a large extent, led by Fox). There have been multiple enquiries, and the scientists have been vindicated in all of them. These are the facts. But don't take my word for it, check for yourself. Find me a single reliable neutral source that supports the claims of 'falsification of data'. There aren't any.

A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year. Methane is a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (CO2).

EAT COWS!

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Ok, I take your counter thrust on the chin. Can you provide links to the reports on the enquiries so I can read them. And the info on the story coming from Fox/Rupert Murdoch scares the bejesus out of me, hate the man and the channel.............