You failed to grasp the point entirely. Hurricanes burn and wings break off. Spitfires do not burn and rarely a wing will break off. Blue pilots learned there was more effective way to kill Spitfires. It doesn't mean a damn thing if it's historic or not. It's in the game and people are going to use it. Get over it.

Don't worry Notafinger just leave him to it, he thinks that if he moans long enough the reds will get 200oct aircraft :rolleyes:

WHERE? Can you repost it!?

And the Mk2 Hurri with Hispanos

Since work on Clod is finished, shouldn't the discussion of these AP be a server's forum chat:)

I think it's perfectly reasonable to point out that a belt of 100% 8mm tungsten would most likely be historically inaccurate. That's fine I can understand that. Same with 100% 20mm AP or 100% 20mm HE. Generally speaking these ammo types were usually used in combination with others. However, even if they are used exclusively, and in a way that is not strictly historically accurate, you still have to hit the enemy to be effective. Moreover, with something like tungsten, you only really have an advantage if you can consistently hit the cockpit from the six or near six position. Honestly Buzz, unless you are suggesting these guys are using something other than skill (is that what you're suggesting?) to achieve those sorts of hits, I just think your blowing this thing completely out of proportion.

I haven't bothered to read all these pages but on two issues, here's my 2p;

Lag - IMHO definitely occurs. I have sometimes been hit by a 109 making a near head-on pass when his line of flight moved from 11 o'clock to my 1 o'clock to pass down my right hand side and at no time within normal guns range was he pointing at me unless he shot very early from 1000+ metres when he was last pointing at me. It seemed he could not have hit me from normal range at his angle. But.... bang! Dead. I accept that no Tracer can add to the impression of imposssible shots but I'm happy (happy?!) that when it happens, its probably lag.

PKs in general. Sudden unexplained PKs (no tracer) perhaps due to mine shells exploding in a cluster around the cockpit. No armour to the sides. Loud impacts/explosions (not like the sound of 7.62mm hitting the airframe), instant black screen. Or simply a 20mm in the right place.

I doubt very much that its hacking.

I just wish the damn 109 pilots would oblige with a few PK deaths from my 0.303" AP! :)
No wonder the RAF pilots began asking for heavier armament.

Sigh.

It's plain to see that for some people, this is more than a game. They have to "win". First the bogeyman was the Minegeschoss. Now it's the SMK(H).

Soon it will be, what?

I shudder to think what this place will be like when Fw 190s appear in game. The level of whining is going to be catastrophic.

Bf 109F. I am sure we will have numerous threads about how it was around only in very limited numbers in the summer of 1941... ;-)

Truth of the matter is, an all- SmK (H) belt is not any more or less ridiculus than an all- de Wilde belt... "historical belts" should be a server side option. I am sure the Reds would have issues with having some of their Brownings loaded all-ball. ;)

i hate tracers since with no depth perception they just obstruct the view so i use now traceless cordite VII and i wonder:

what are the best allied bullets with no tracers? in the game of course