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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337968)

it's uncanny, a lone stubborn Brit, holding out against some (rude) Germans and a small contingent of Italians.

I bet if an American showed up the whole thing would be over in a heartbeat...

The Yanks will be in...be patient....usually a couple of years after the show starts........:grin:

Only kiddding......get my hat and coat......moi silently departs.....

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337990)

How is that supposed to be funny? Apart for the different conclusions that we reached,where did I show any bias or mention incorrect references? It might be a light argument for you,but I take the thing very seriously,considering that I achieved a BA Hons in History in the UK and argued over this topic endlessly ever since.

For the record,I too believed that Great Britain won the Battle of Britain,but I was proven wrong (as many of my course mates,and not without polemics) by a British Professor.

Yeah well for the record there are some aspects of the British education system that suck balls, there is a weird liberalism phenomenon in this country that is teaching it's bad to have National pride....'might upset the foreigners you know! whatwhat', may as well knock down the cenotaph.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 337990)

How is that supposed to be funny?

Because Mr Sternjaeger me ole mate, I've rarely seen a post from you that could be considered 'unbiased'.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337967)

Same here, we have more things outside of this that we do agree on.

I just find it very confusing how some people interpret a Brit saying 'we won the battle of britain' as 'we won the war single handed', even more confusing is this desparate need by the same people to find the most insignificant semantics to try and discredit the British with any ability to fight in any way shape or form, the fact is we fought extremely well for the most part and have a hell of alot to be proud of, like just fighting because it was the right thing to do, so we had friends to help....mainly because they knew it was the right thing to do as well, if it floats your boat to believe the Germans were merely distracted by anything the Brits did then fine.....it's a free world (but no thanks to the Allies eh?)

I completely agree on this,I never said that the British didnt fight with courage and determination,but as you said it's easy to get lost in the semantics.

People who are passionate and proud about their country and history talk about "victory" "d-day" "freedom" "spitfire" etc... it's the shallow propaganda fascination that is appealing to the masses. Historians go beyond this,the risk of a biased judgement is far too great,it's necessary to research,analyse events within their historical context,leaving hindsight for conclusions,but it's dangerous to use hindsight to judge upon history.

Was the invasion of Russia a mistake? It wasn't in 1941,but in hindsight we can say it was. If Hitler pushed his way to Moscow,it could have meant a serious blow for Russian integrity,he decided instead to lose time to capture the Dnepr area to reach onto strategic reserves,again the right thing to do with the perspective of the time,but in hindsight it was a mistake.

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just because your history teacher was British doesn't prove anything

That is true,but he surprised me,as much as it surprised me that he wasn't alone in his judgement.

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Originally Posted by Dutch_851 (Post 337993)

Because Mr Sternjaeger me ole mate, I've rarely seen a post from you that could be considered 'unbiased'.

Uhmmm is that so? Would you mind to refresh my memory and give me some examples of biased posts of mine? And I hope that with " biased" you don't mean "in disagreement with you" ;-)

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That is true,but he surprised me,as much as it surprised me that he wasn't alone in his judgement.

Well it's sad to say there are quite a few of these hairy shirted lefty treacherous worms that go around spreading that kind of crap in this country.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337992)

I don't know but more and more you sound like one of those White Pride Guys.

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Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto (Post 337998)

I don't know but more and more you sound like one of those White Pride Guys.

Like I really value your oppinion.

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People who are passionate and proud about their country and history talk about "victory" "d-day" "freedom" "spitfire" etc... it's the shallow propaganda fascination that is appealing to the masses. Historians go beyond this,the risk of a biased judgement is far too great,it's necessary to research,analyse events within their historical context,leaving hindsight for conclusions,but it's dangerous to use hindsight to judge upon history.

No...this really only seems to upset people when someone British mentions it, for the rest of the world National pride is just fine and patriotic.

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 337999)

Like I really value your oppinion.

Well you don't value any oppinion from other people, your just an ignorant.
Good Night White Pride.