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Originally Posted by Sandstone (Post 457538)

I think the reputation of CloD is now so poisonous that it would be better for 1C to put as much distance between BoM and CloD as possible. A simple statement that CloD is finished would probably be for the best, accompanied by a radically different branding for BoM. The current state of play is not doing 1C's reputation any good at all and a clean break would at least give them a chance to put it behind them as a noble failure and move on to something more worthwhile. A clean break might also give them the chance to make any necessary personnel changes.

There are two issues. Or parts if you want to follow the structure of the CoD installation parts folders.

One is the core content which should benefit CoD even if we have to wait for BoM and merge it because it should have the same core structure. This is where 1C seem to be spending almost all of their efforts.

The other is the much less complex issue of CoD content, or bob as it is in the file structure. These things are not difficult to fix, primarily FMs and DMs i.e. the objects unique to bob/CoD.
Look at the bob folder .SFS files.
3do - not sure what this is. 3d models with DM modules?
buildings - who really cares at this stage?
ground - ditto
humans - ditto
maps - they've already told us the map won't be changed and its acceptable
plane - MOST important. The FMs are way off and DMs are not all ok (flaming flying 109s)
speech - who cares
and so on.
I don't know what the other files are for but you can see where I'm going. We have an environment which could probably be left alone and a core game that will be fixed. However, we have CoD/bob aircraft that badly need fixing.

If 1C don't deliver on the CoD/bob content (i.e. aircraft that fly as they should) they will have failed miserably for the sake of a minimal amount of work. It will remain laughable as a representation of the BoB and for what? Remember, almost all of the fixes needed are core fixes not CoD/bob fixes.

CoD, or SOW-BoB was to have been the jewel in Oleg Maddox's new flight combat simulation. That's why it was never allowed in IL-2 '46. It was the iconic air battle, the almost set piece of the Douhet theories and with only one other Victory-by-Air battle like it, Malta. The pacific battles needed air power but were not of the same nature.

If such simple fixes are ignored and the iconic air battle of the war is left in the mud the reputation of CoD and 1C will be more than poisonous.

IMHO of course.

when i read these 20 pages and all the words and discussions to come, i can only conclude what i and others said months ago, and believe me i was living in hope for 5-6 years,but this is my personal opinion ( so i won't go into any discussion):
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ooo/kruis5.jpg
very, very, very pitty indeed, what a wasted potential.
I wish you all the best
Over and out
Sincerely
Tigertooo

you demand best yet look at your system

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Originally Posted by smink1701 (Post 457566)

Best available does not make CLoD a quality product. There is very little to be excited about here if you are a fan of WW2 combat sims. Remember, BOM, if it ever gets here, will be brought to you by the same team responsible for CLoD...and how did that work out? Considering how long it took the developers to deliver CLoD to our front doors, and then ring the bell and run, we will wait a very long time for another half-baked sim and then it will take months or years to get it right. CLoD is IC's case study on how they bring games to market and support them. Most will hold on to their wallets this time and that will be the end of the IL2 franchise. Sad.

you too

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Originally Posted by Tigertooo (Post 457579)

[QUOTE=Abbeville-Boy;457587]you demand best yet look at your system

I have no idea what you mean???

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Originally Posted by esmiol (Post 457560)

i juste hope this time when the sequel will be release we will pay a real sim and not a beta like cliffs of dover was.

hope that it will be the last time we have to pay 2 times a game to have a release version of it.

hope that my trust in CLOD won't be betray.

now i really like to have some news from the dev about something (even a picture of new color cow.) because we are already so frustrated to let us in the cloud of info.

Here you go..and a bonus...

[QUOTE=smink1701;457599]

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Originally Posted by Abbeville-Boy (Post 457587)

you demand best yet look at your system

I have no idea what you mean???

He means that he thinks your computer is too slow to run CLOD well...
Personally I think your system is not bad at all.

Maybe if I were you i would overclock the CPU (+CPU cooler) and a Nvidia GTX670. Then your system will be up to date again! ;)

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Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 457540)

Just fix this bugged and unfinished engine and call this the way 1C want.

Simples as that.

This is going to knock you over, Lobi... but I totally agree :grin:

With every iteration of the original il2 series, came further advancements and capability.

For those whow would... please don't start the hassling for the "get the new product out asap/ I would pay whatever to see it here". Don't bring those pressures to bear - look what happened last time.

My guess is that they are working flat out on the BOM and have a hampster in a little cage working on CLOD.
They need an income and the only way to get it is to have another product that will hopefully get great reviews and sell well thus saving the company.

B.O.M. = B.etter than O.ur last M.other---

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Originally Posted by Ibis (Post 457641)

I agree. This is precisely what is happening. They made a mistake and are now trying to repair that mistake.
They have to get money to make the game so they make a new add on to get it and fix the old problems along with it. I think it's going to be just fine. Even for the CloD. You act here like the game is the shittiest peace of grab ever and that is not true. Planes are flyable and I'm flying almost every day on ATAG server. True everything is not perfect but so what? Give an example of a better WW2 flight simulator than this.

Looking at the comments on this forum makes it feel like the game would be not even playable witch is just not true, so stop whining because it's not exactly what you wanted.

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Originally Posted by klem (Post 457570)

maps - they've already told us the map won't be changed and its acceptable

They will not change it, true (no time)...so I hope future arrangements will take place...but acceptable? The French side is an abomination in so many ways that would take too much time to mention again (see former posts of mine)....