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Originally Posted by SturmKreator (Post 214231)

LOL, Much talk about realism and not stop to mourn, because their favorite aircraft no longer have a flight mode UFOs, guys if you want to criticize something, please read and investigated from many books and not using a game as a parameter, spitfires still have a lot advantage because it speeds (acceleration time) too fast.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/wade-accel.jpg

In this chart we couldn't see the fw 190 d9, but this plane had a acceleration time like spits xiv

As we could see Fw190A in Il-2 world takes longer to accelerate, if you are in spitfire you could catch a focke wulf in a dogfigth but in the reality not, becouse he accelerates more fast.

So I think if daidalos team did a changes on the spitsfires, its becouse they read a lot and investigated very much. Spitfires it's the most overpowered plane in this game, not sim, becouse had a lot of bugs in fly models.

So I think, daidalos team did a great job in all aspect, they try to come alive this old game, please keep going guys, in pro of realism and accuracy. S!

Well said mate, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Fenrir (Post 215271)

....Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

+1

Actually, I think TD have done an excellent job in making the Spits lighter in the azimuthal axis, Mk Vs now float off the runway at 100mph very nicely, and the stall is less sharp - as it should be with that shape of wing.

Good to hear from you Fen, I've never forgotten that Sv109s desert map when you went off and downed a gaggle of 5 109s on your own...

56RAF_phoenix = phoenix1963

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Originally Posted by Kwiatek (Post 215264)

I really wonder what engine settings ( boost preassure) will be used in Spitires MK1 with CS propeller and 100 octan fuel in Cliffs of Dover. With using 100 octan fuel in Spits MK1 during BOB time there were used new Boost seettings - + 9 lbs for climb ( 1/2 hour limit) and +12 lbs for emergency ( 5 minut rating). Before using 100 octan fuel MErlin III used +6 1/2 lbs maximum boost ( 1/2 hour limit) without any emergency power.

Dunno what data and information 1C gots for these early SPits.

The official Royal Air Force History states:

All benefited from the replacement of 87 octane petrol with 100 octane, which allowed the engines to run at higher boost, and increased the Spitfire's speed by 25 mph (40 km/h) at sea level and by 34 mph (55 km/h) at 10,000 feet.

Why would Oleg do anything different?

Between 1940 and 1946, Henshaw flew a total of 2,360 Spitfires and Seafires, more than 10% of total production.[98][99]

Henshaw wrote about flight testing Spitfires:

After a thorough pre-flight check I would take off and, once at circuit height, I would trim the aircraft and try to get her to fly straight and level with hands off the stick ... Once the trim was satisfactory I would take the Spitfire up in a full-throttle climb at 2,850 rpm to the rated altitude of one or both supercharger blowers. Then I would make a careful check of the power output from the engine, calibrated for height and temperature ... If all appeared satisfactory I would then put her into a dive at full power and 3,000 rpm, and trim her to fly hands and feet off at 460 mph IAS (Indicated Air Speed). Personally, I never cleared a Spitfire unless I had carried out a few aerobatic tests to determine how good or bad she was. The production test was usually quite a brisk affair: the initial circuit lasted less than ten minutes and the main flight took between twenty and thirty minutes. Then the aircraft received a final once-over by our ground mechanics, any faults were rectified and the Spitfire was ready for collection. I loved the Spitfire in all of her many versions. But I have to admit that the later marks, although they were faster than the earlier ones, were also much heavier and so did not handle so well. You did not have such positive control over them. One test of manoeuvrability was to throw her into a flick-roll and see how many times she rolled. With the Mark II or the Mark V one got two-and-a-half flick-rolls but the Mark IX was heavier and you got only one-and-a-half. With the later and still heavier versions, one got even less. The essence of aircraft design is compromise, and an improvement at one end of the performance envelope is rarely achieved without a deterioration somewhere else.[100][101]

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Originally Posted by badatflyski (Post 214667)

And if our friend FC99 read this, i would add that:
"MAN, you forgot to change 2lines in the BMW_800_Series"

1° Carburetor 1, WTF? still the same error? you're jocking me :grin:
2° EngineAcceleration 3.0 WTF again?!? FC, do you search the fight?:mrgreen:

Hi mate,
1. Irrelevant
2. 4.11 , that and some other things too ;)

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Originally Posted by Nicholaiovitch (Post 214677)

It would be nice to hear from the TD chap who must have spent hours researching and then implementing his findings in making the changes to the FM.

Could we please have a detailed response from TD?

~ 9 months have been spent on research which include everything we could find on the net, visits to UK national archives and discussion with pilot who fly Spitfires.

Is new FM perfect? No it is not but it is still the best you can find in combat flight sim IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fenrir (Post 215271)

Also, to clarify, I don't want a return to the 4.09 Spitfire FMs; I quite like the new stall/energy characteristics.

The only issue I have is with the lateral trim.

Well, if that's the only issue you have with new FM than we can be quite pleased with the job done.:grin: As you probably know, we will release Bug Fix patch and some changes in FM are possible. Some of the planes in 4.10 didn't get latest FM files and AFAIK Spits are among them.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider (Post 215499)

Between 1940 and 1946, Henshaw flew a total of 2,360 Spitfires and Seafires, more than 10% of total production.[98][99]

And this is how it looked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCmzY...ayer_embedded#
It is interesting to notice that first time we saw that video was after 4.10 was released, I'd say that our model is very close to what you can see in video.

Beautiful video FC99, thank you.

6S.Insuber

thanks for the work on the spits FC99.

particularly like the implementation of Miss Shilling's orifice.

I think they are much better than in 4.09 in general.

look forward to the bug fix patch, to see how that affects things further, particularly the lateral trim issue, affecting the ability to be able to fly hands off in the spits.

That video was shot in 1941 and very nice too! Has anyone else noticed that the pilot could hold the inverted pass for far longer without the engine cutting out (compared to all IL1946 variants up to 1943)? As a full switch player I would appreciate that being included.......(if my observation is correct of course!)

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Originally Posted by FC99 (Post 215565)

And this is how it looked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCmzY...ayer_embedded#

Nice video. I'm surprised he was able to maintain power in those inverted passes and not damage the engine. That's an early Spitfire - I, II or Va; a Spit V from 1941 according to the text. I didn't know they could do that.

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Originally Posted by SEE (Post 215597)

That video was shot in 1941 and very nice too! I noticed that the pilot could hold the inverted pass for far longer without the engine cutting out (compared to all IL1946 variants up to 1943). As a full switch player I would appreciate that being included.......

Lol! Same thoughts here. You beat me posting that thought by just 1 minute :)