You are aware that the Empire was Old Adis personal inspiration for a Greater Germany?

So, why then did you bring him in? There were paper planes with swept wings before Dunne.

And there I thought you implied it was a british invention. Which I thought, too, btw, before checking Wiki.

Honestly the 262 would have been better off with the british engines mounted in a similar way, sure they were a bit fatter but they were more reliable and produced alot of power, the Meteor was no slouch, it took some time before axial flow compressors became particularily good, whereas the centrifugal compressor is unchanged to this day

Local incursions hardly constitute world war and Japan ended up as part of the Axis anyway.
Anglo Saxon....isn't the Saxon part from Germany anyway? does that mean were the same?

Agreed to a point. Back then Axial did not provide much improvement over Centrifugals, centrifugals also being less complex.
Then again the problems the Jumos had were not down to construction or design, but lack of heat resisting materials. The Jumo Prototypes had a much longer service life and produced more thrust compared to the production models.

Local Incursions? like Japan in China? Russia in Finland? Germany in Poland?
What made this war another affair was the France and the UK did not declare war on Japan, nor Russia, but Germany alone.

The Angel part, too. And indeed you will notice that folks from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and northern Germany are pretty much the same.

Yes?......

Because I want to glorify the Brits as much as I can, I'm nearly out of breath from the frantic waving of my union flag here.

I knew it wasn't entirely, note it was a simultaneous and coincidental discovery between HP and Lachmann, I just thought it very relevant to mention it being an HP design that Messershmitt used.

wow.. It took me and tools a week of back and fourth to generate a page.. You two have generated 3 in less than 30 min! ;)

So? Why are human beings in Africa, India and the middle east up for conquest, human beings in Europe not?
I personally condone all of it, but that hypocrisis displayed, fingerpointing while standing on a huge pile of bodies, is highly annoying.

Welcome to the club

Observe and learn, Ace ; )
I need a beer now.

Make mine a double! ;)

Remind me of the Russia Finland bit? the first war between them ended in 1809 and the winter war of 39 started after WW2 had started didn't it?...I admit I'm not a massive history buff.
So Japan was at war with China.......not sure it was particularily relevant or any threat to europe at the time, but Germany invading poland was, not only that it was a contravention of the treaty of Marseilles, come on admit it, russia and japan's conflicts at that time are irrelevant to what started in Europe.

Yeah so imagine how frustrating it is when people who are effectively the same as you keep pointing fingers and saying 'Anglo Saxon mentality'

So what you are really saying is that Britain should have stayed out of the war because of it's past? and because we had an Empire we should have let little Adolf have a slice of his pie too?

Prost!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

You are correct, it started two months after the start of hostilities in Europe.
Nevertheless The Uk did not do anything about it, despite Finland being a democracy, while Poland was an authocratic and rather agressive regime (the Germany/Poland hatrad did not develop out of thin air, either, btw. There is some history to it extending to after the end of WWI and has a lot to do with polish attitudes in the interwar years while Germany was a democracy.)

What I am aiming at is the the UK did not declare their wars out of humanitarian reasons, the way it is always displayed, but pure power politics following century old traditions.

Actually, I agree. But the british always complain about Germany starting it all, while technically, they declared war on Germany, not vice versa. Imagine Germany declaring war on the UK for invading the Falklands and then blaming you guys for starting it all.

Imagine 60 years, and pretty much all my life, finger pointing and blames from other nationalities simply for my own nationality, despite never having done anything that would justify such blames. Eventually you adapt. You have to look not further then current news all over Europe to know what I mean.

No, that is not what I am saying. I actually like the UK. I am actually glad they declared war. I am not even angry over the bombing campaigns at all. That is something Germany brought onto itself for following that gangster.
But I am highly annoyed at the hypocrisy displayed and the way a lot of british try to use those crimes as a knock out argument in any debate over that time.

What I am saying is that Britian should display a bit more modesty when it comes to finger pointing due to their own history, especially at current generation Germans. And also give credit where credit is due at times.

Now we are talking! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/er...smiley-004.gif