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IamNotDavid 09-23-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 339997)
when the public are not involved the FAA have little interest.

The FAA will probably investigate the crashes. Or do aircraft falling from the sky not involve the public?

Sammi79 09-23-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IamNotDavid (Post 339919)
You didn't make use of additional data, you made $@!^ up. My comparison is perfectly valid. One F1 event is approximately equivalent to 1 Reno event. The timespan is roughly the same. You certainly have not demonstrated otherwise.

No, it isn't. One race in F1 including free practice and qualifying totals less than a few hours, Reno which is at least a week long event, has displays as well as racing, however you look at, it totals a lot more than that, so by insisting that the fact it happens only once a year makes no difference and we should measure the time in events, I say why not measure it in days or even hours, if its the time per year that is so important, and we come to different conclusions. My point is, the issue is not as cut and defined as you would have it, clear comparisons cannot be made, and some activities are proven to be more dangerous even than Reno. Why do any of these activities carry on? It is not that people are stupid or that they don't understand the risk. It is something somewhat harder to define.

Reckless, maybe. Reckless is normally associated with youth but in many of these sports you'll notice the competitors are a lot older, due to the fact it takes a considerable amount of experience as well as skill to be able to pass the entrance requirements, let alone qualify or be competitive. Especially so in the case of aircraft racing it would seem. If you truly were reckless there is almost no way you could have survived to take part. No matter though, who they are or how skilled, experienced, young or old, people sometimes get things wrong, whilst doing a great many different things. Sometimes a machine part fails leading to a sequence of events that cannot be averted from that moment forward. Sometimes a sequence of small events over an extended period of time conspire to make a dangerous situation lethal.

People like to go fast is the most obvious simplification of why these dangerous activities continue. People also like to admire the machines that help them achieve it, from inside and out. People like to compete with each other to see, who is the fastest? Whose machine is best, practically, aesthetically, audibly? Is it really important? Maybe not. But the interested mind poses these questions automatically and seeks an answer. Why do people climb Everest? for every 15 that summit 1 dies. People want to push the boundaries and see how far, how fast, and maybe go that little bit further. Its an evolutionary necessity that cannot be permanently subdued.

I realise that my position might seem to imply that I am in some way unfeeling or uncaring about the recent accident, I assure you that I am not. Every single death is a tragedy, from which I hope people will recover with as much haste and ease as is possible. I am sure you are correct in your assessment of the insurance companies direction, David. That is their business after all. I have said all I can say on the matter.

Sternjaeger II 09-23-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AWL_Spinner (Post 339966)

LULz love this, what's it from? :mrgreen:

aaawwww guys, is this still going on? The troll must be super-fat by now. You should come and see us also in the "was the battle of britain the first defeat of the Luftwaffe" room though, we're having tea an biscuits there ;)

IamNotDavid 09-23-2011 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammi79 (Post 340023)
No, it isn't. One race in F1 including free practice and qualifying totals less than a few hours, Reno which is at least a week long event, has displays as well as racing, however you look at, it totals a lot more than that, so by insisting that the fact it happens only once a year makes no difference and we should measure the time in events, I say why not measure it in days or even hours, if its the time per year that is so important, and we come to different conclusions. My point is, the issue is not as cut and defined as you would have it, clear comparisons cannot be made, and some activities are proven to be more dangerous even than Reno. Why do any of these activities carry on? It is not that people are stupid or that they don't understand the risk. It is something somewhat harder to define.

If you think the time spent racing/qualifying/practicing at Reno is significantly different from an F1 race, post something to support it. So far all you've got is BS.

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Originally Posted by Sammi79 (Post 340023)
Reckless, maybe. Reckless is normally associated with youth but in many of these sports you'll notice the competitors are a lot older, due to the fact it takes a considerable amount of experience as well as skill to be able to pass the entrance requirements, let alone qualify or be competitive. Especially so in the case of aircraft racing it would seem. If you truly were reckless there is almost no way you could have survived to take part.

Lots of them don't survive. That's the problem. The only reason the "sport" can continue is because they only race 1 week a year.

bongodriver 09-23-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IamNotDavid (Post 340005)
The FAA will probably investigate the crashes. Or do aircraft falling from the sky not involve the public?

They dont if the public are not there, reno races happen at reno at a dedicated site.....not randomly over the whole US.

IamNotDavid 09-23-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 340069)
They dont if the public are not there, reno races happen at reno at a dedicated site.....not randomly over the whole US.

Trucking those aircraft to Reno would probably be a pain in the butt.

bongodriver 09-23-2011 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IamNotDavid (Post 340082)
Trucking those aircraft to Reno would probably be a pain in the butt.

When they ferry to the races they are not racing....remember you said it was racing that was dangerous.....

Gerbil Maximus 09-23-2011 06:16 PM

Guys seriously, I've watched this freak troll on now for over six months in various guises, nothing is below his belt, even a thread about untimely deaths fuels his bullshit. No respect for families involved or anything he just uses it for yet another argument.
If you really want this pest to keep going on and on indefinately, of which he will i assure you, then crack on. If not dont feed the creep.
David, if your a doctor this world is further up the proverbial creek more than we thought. Glad they have better security checks in Britain.

IamNotDavid 09-23-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 340087)
When they ferry to the races they are not racing....remember you said it was racing that was dangerous.....

They're dangerous all the time. They're appallingly dangerous when they're racing. If they go underground and continue to crash regularly (which they will), there is going to be pressure on the FAA to do something about it.

IamNotDavid 09-23-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerbil Maximus (Post 340090)
David, if your a doctor this world is further up the proverbial creek more than we thought. Glad they have better security checks in Britain.

You're security may be better but you're school system sucks, apparently.


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