It seems folks not in the know have been making excuses/guesses about the reasons behind the lack of communication. Like many others...I just wanted what I paid for...or a reasonable explanation from the source. Common sense would suggest that with the premature release to North America, more dissident voices would be heard. They have been and somewhere will be.

Most of us have purchased this "sim"...we have not received what we were "sold"...What we don't understand? The lack of information from Luthier.
Yes, because we bought the "sim", we do deserve an accurate concise answer from him or his designee.

I am from the U.S. and I bought this "sim" on 4-16-2011. I paid full retail. If that doesn't show support? I don't what does.

Thanks for your reply Ataros...

Note to Nearmiss: I understand what you must do to contain this forum. I just don't understand...Why Luthier won't give give you a hand.

But who does decide if the poster is a moaner or not? If moaners are the ones who constantly spit their venom on the game again and again by single sentences then I can agree: but saying that the landscape's colors are bad, the sound engine is horrible and so on does not make a poster a whiner. It's stating facts: then everybody is entitle to their opinion but there's still a limit to one person's intelligence.

Ok let's ban the whiners but please ban also the unbelievable fanboys ("I like the sounds!" "The flames are perfect" ect... I can't stand them: at least Tree makes me smile)
Better than the ban there is the Ignore List; people should learn to use it and not the Report function that should be used only in extreme episodes. Guys who constanly report other poster should be the first to be banned.

Not like this one: in my experience with VGs (and it's very high... actually I have 114 games in my Steam account... and I can't count the ones without Steam support) I've never seen a game in this state: it's because of this that in the past I stated that CloD does not need fixes... it needs a good design. The typical bug to be fixed is the famous crash we have on many games, the memory leak ect... here we have optimization and important parts of the game that are not working at all. I'm not talking about the weather module or the sea: I mean the phantom trees... The collisions should be well managed in a released version. Then the UIs ect.

Forgotten Battles. I tested the first IL2 (the demo) but I had no peripheral devices.

The board was not in this state a month ago. Am I the only one who see many more posters losing their patience? It's never been like now or probably we had the same thing against the guiltless Ubi when Ilya blamed the fake anti-epilessy filter (still I can't swallow it): so why now? Maybe it's because there are no news and the dev team seems to not look at this board when there are many patience people who would give them an hand (look at the Insuber's thread).

You are free to rest your case: the 3 patches are needed because the game was/is unfinished, the freebies (you mean the E1?) are only premade contents (the E1 is a E4 with MG... not really a different model... a junior developer can add material in this way, probably their code differs in only one line. If one day we will get the Su26 this will not be a freebie, nor will be boats and tanks.. the released game should have them from the start looking at the updates we had in these years) and the incoming releases will not be gratis.

Look I'm not really a person who like to eat a lot of food but I like to eat good food. Few planes are enough for me... few but well made (it's still a simulator). I don't want return to the days that the freebies from 1C were full of problems since they don't look at them (Oleg's requested quality was not so high.. look at the first flyable Ju88 without armor... ).

Let me pay for every new package (as we did with IL2...) and release that damned SDK so people can improve this game. But first of all build a complete working engine. I don't care to have 10 expensive cars if there is not street around me.

I have to say but Luthier's post is almost borderline offensive in how out of touch it is. As others pointed out, saying that you are working on a expansion/next in the series when the current one is still in a beta state, while making an excuse (small team) for its state its pretty frustrating. Maybe they need to re-sort their priorities, hell at this point they should give the people here who spent $ on the game and have been playing a payed beta the expansion for FREE. What a mess (told you so, because I just have to rub it in :rolleyes:).

But I wont spend another cent on anything from them until COD is performing at the level it should, and has the amount of quality content that at minimum a game should have at release (hell this release is worse than most if not all betas I have been in!).

What I think is sad is that things have gotten to this point that it's really hard for anyone new to see any reason to pursue or follow this new series. If new people do pick it up, its even harder to find anyone willing to help sort out some problems for fear of being branded a fanboy or being personally attacked.

The true supporters have already made their points, several times over and they have a right to be a little miffed. Some of it was constructive for a while, but I have seen almost nothing but developer bashing over the last few weeks which is not at all constructive.

The game will be fixed in time though, just like the original series, as has been explained several time now. If you don't like it, put it on the shelf for a while and go have a beer with your mates like i did.
If you really feel that bad about it, sure ask for your money back. BUT dont continually whine and complain about the same things over and over. WE GET IT. Some of you aren't happy and you just have to let the whole world know it, continuously. Guess what, its not all about you!

Just to put this into perspective though, this is a GAME, its not about a life saving miracle cure for cancer or world hunger.

12Million people are on the verge of starvation in Somalia alone as the UN has just declared another massive famine in Africa and some of you are behaving like you are the ones in a famine. Get over it. If you really are the passionate series supporters you say you are, then help to create an environment where people actually want to come for support to help get the game running well.

We all know what doesnt quite work right by now, but the game does work well enough for most now with the exception of the sound bug in MP. Almost all peoples problems can be solved if people weren't so pig headed and trying to run everything on high or above their system capability. Just drop a few settings down! If you can't get it running well enough, i feel sorry for you, but im sick of the negativity around here and hope the mods keep up the vigilance on the banning and moderation until this place is back to normal.

Im not surprised the devs backed away a little from the volatility of the forums over the past few weeks, but im also a little disappointed we didnt get some updates at least fortnightly. Being in the technology business and being exposed to business application development my self, I know not a lot can really change that much in a week any way. Fortnightly updates would probably be more realistic, with a major update with each patch.

I look forward to the long road ahead with this exceptional game and will remain a supporter as I love both the original series and the vision of the developers for this new platform and Im prepared to give them a bit of lee way for such a massive leap in realism.

good post FS


I think the people are getting so upset is because this release really is bad compared to il-2 original's release.

And because of the expectancy and promise of a delivery, makes alot of people get angry.

And the devs of Il-2 know how to make greatness and awesomeness but suddenly are staring in the face of fail.

People think its unnatural for the guys n gals who made Il-2 to fail at Clod. Like next morning, the sun shines but its not the usual color its a black light sun or something.

And that betrayal is whats bringing out this.



Hey Luthier!!


Good Job! You get a pat on the back!


*catches a few tomatoes for marinara before ducking the rest and jetting in the jet* W00t the good stuff, rotten tomatoes are for movies anyways

sales improvement comes from quality. even simpler.

if it has quality it will sell itself, if it hasn't, it won't, no matter how hard it's advertised; anything else is bollocks. you can't fool people into buying crap no matter how often you post it's not crap, and reverse is also true. besides, those who look for an external opinion go essentially for professional reviews and avoid this kind of bi-polarized places (fanboys vs whiners). thus i really can't see how posting affects sales.

regarding marketing, it's responsibility of publishers and developers, not of posters.

as for devs they must find encouragement on revenue and personal satisfaction upon their product, as every honest worker does.

my 2 cents

Who's the guy responsible for the greens ? :rolleyes:

To answer Manu's question which is also shared by many, i'll try to give my interpretation of what constitutes negative and non-constructive posting.

I think it's not about the message, but the poster's attitude and the way it's delivered.
There are dozens of people pointing out inaccuracies and faults with the sim and they are not branded "whiners" or doom and gloom merchants, ever wondered why?

It's simple, they stick to a reporting style and not engage in personal attacks and speculation.
This also applies to the other camp, the so called "fanboys".

You see i'm using quote marks because i don't really accept that division. There are no "whiners" or "fanboys", there are only people who are realistic and people who detach themselves from reality on purpose (they are not stupid, they are just disappointed and aggressive to contrary opinions, so their defensive mechanisms kick into gear).

In fact, i think that both "whiners" and "fanboys" are part of this same group. Some are disappointed with the developers and the sim and the rest are disappointed with how the first group is supposedly killing their favorite game, but both groups use the same ineffective methods (half-baked, aggressive arguments and personal vitriol) to push otherwise relevant points.

This doesn't only aggravate the bystanders, it also detracts from their points because it's clear they are too lazy to come up with a coherent argument and prefer repeating one liners ad nauseum or getting into slagging matches among themselves. My question is, how does such a person expect to convince the rest of us if he can't take the time to formulate his opinion in a coherent manner that's at least appealing to read? I mean, if they won't take the time to support their own viewpoint how am i as a 3rd party expected to consider it worthy of attention?

Take the time to proof-read your posts before clicking submit (the preview button is there for a reason), try to edit out some stuff that might be getting personal, emotional or speculative and stick to giving us your experience of it all without snide remarks.

I guarantee you the amount of people who are willing to discuss things with you will rise, even though not all of them will agree. I find it much easier to respect an opinion (no matter if i agree or disagree with it) if it's at least worded in a manner that doesn't give me the mental image of a person frothing at the mouth behind a keyboard, not to mention it's easier to avoid getting dragged into similar behaviours myself ;)

All very well in a perfect world Blackdog, I agree with you, but this is not a perfect world. This is the INTERNET!! :grin:

So good luck with that. (though your right)

You do remind me of the guy from Southpark, "drugs are bad, mmmkk"

he was right too, but still all the kids(forum members) pay no notice.

Blackdog, I don't write often on this forum now, but if I must then I try to do my best translating my thought in a different language (so many mistakes, shame on me!).

I agree that it's the attitude.

Anyway as Furbs writes we are still on the Internet.
You know...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

In every social board there will always be immature guys who writes down "one sentence posts" (with or without bad words) and of course this can only split the community in the "White" and "Black" sides (the ones who stay in the "Grey" are positioned according their actual interlocutor).

In the board we still use an indirect way to communicate and we often have misunderstandings who are the reasons quarrels.

We have quarrels in my squad's board (something like 20 people now) and we're all talking italian.. I can imagine how many more misunderstanding between posters with different mother tongues.