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- - Xbox patch info! (http://forum.fulqrumpublishing.com/showthread.php?t=12651)

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk (Post 143509)

Hey listen. If my opinions offend you so much then I'm sorry for you. I've only been staying around here to share my video work with you all but other than some mighty fine comments from some very nice forum users here, I've had nothing but snubbery & even jibes just because they don't portray your BIRDS of prey (& yes I do also post them to the 1c IL-2 site aswell as the WoP site.

Want me & opinions elsewhere? No problems. I'll take the vids down too for you.

Wanting virtual doors to hit me on the way out? Not nice atall really but there you go. Only makes the person in question sound like a bit of a jerk off.

Its not that you're offending anyone so much as we don't appreciate the holier than thou attitude. We are all already aware that BoP has some glaring problems, but the majority of the people still hanging around have decided that the game is worth our time, patch or no patch. At this point, trying to convince us otherwise is futile.

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk (Post 143502)

LOL. I know that was aimed at me & I believe ppl here have me wrong with this so-called pompous attitude toward PC games but when an attack is that well written & so funny, I can't do nothing other than praise you for your original wordage, That did nake me laugh. :grin:

Mr Hawk,
I salute your genorisity sir. If I ever manage to sneak the expenditure of a combat-flightsim capable pc past the wife I would dearly like to see a decent "flight simmer" in action such as yourself, as I have much to learn. Until then I ,and many others ,are stuck on the il-poo version.
I do understand some of the percieved vehemence of your posts was merely a product of your entusiasm for the genre, and any negativity creeping into this thread is largely a product of our collective disappointment in a less than satisfactory transition of a series that ,on PC, demonstrated a work of love and realised the combatsim dreams of many.

With cap tipped to you sir,
Justin

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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk (Post 143155)

** The post in question from Anton**

Hi guys.
Unfortunately, no good news.
Publisher thinks that it is not commercially reasonable to create, QA, and release title update for X360.
Releasing PS3 update has not significant impact to sells, and it costs much. DLC was also not very popular (not popular at all).
In addition, I was told to communicate with gamers only via publisher's PR department - that's why I am being quiet silent.

Nothing we can do here with X360 version itself - we've already funded PS3 update from our own pockets (and we do not even benefit from potential sells increase).

So, to make it sweeter we've done the only thing we could done - we'll provide huge (50%) discount on PC version Wings of Prey for consoles users. I know that's not the same (some of console audience even do not have PCs or not gaming PCs), but PC-version is the only published by us.
I'll provide way of getting discount soon (in a few hours), here.

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**EDIT** For those of you with a capable PC, DO IT!!!!! You'll be picking up a bargain that's head & shoulders above BoP. (Fact I'm afraid)

Thank you for trying, but I really do not want to go to PC since it would require uprgrading or replacing my computer and I do not know if my flight stick would work with a pc or not. Offer a sequel or DLC and I will buy it.

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Originally Posted by condorz38 (Post 143894)

Thank you very much for saying we screwed you, but we have a great deal available. You could not get the first game right (because not one plane performs as it should) and now you have the unmitigated gall to say we have a better game on computer for half price. I might, just might buy a sequel since I like this game, but as for the rest of your offer I got to that famous American saying "You Can Kiss My"

No matter what your feelings are that language will not be tolerated. Theres no reason for me to try to convince you that they tried their best with the console version.

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Originally Posted by condorz38 (Post 143894)

right
1. the console version isnt bad it just could be better
2. its the publishers who ripped us off not anton and the devs

The PC is the better platform for Flight Sims but the question is which is the more convenient for gaming and more suited to on-line play - consoles or PC's? For me its a console but I also accept that a console version will never fully equate to the PC version - something close is all I ask for! There was an opportunity to make BOP as good as it can get for consoles but sadly they missed it!

A lot more response from Anton concerning console sequel, reasons for updating PS3 only, PS3 v Xbox sales, etc.....worth reading on the Yu-play forum...........

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Originally Posted by SEE (Post 144189)

A lot more response from Anton concerning console sequel, reasons for updating PS3 only, PS3 v Xbox sales, etc.....worth reading on the Yu-play forum...........

Thanks for the update Evangels, could you (or someone) please cut and past the info you mention here? I can't get to the site right now.

Thanks!

Antoms answers are in blue..................names of people asking the questions not shown (in Italics).

hey anton just a quick question,what's your honest opinion about flight sims being on consoles?do you think that the market is there to sustain a continual community with DLC and other things,i ask because BOP is really the only one trying to do the full sim thing,the blazing angels games dont count an neither does heroe over europe.Or do you think that with all the problems regarding the bop patch for 360 and the fact sims are niche titles,that there is a future for them?

I think, they will be one or two more shots in this generation. Probably, from us :)
But I don't think DLC thing is going to work. Yes, DLC that was released by 505 was pverpriced, but there is no any other flightsim game on the market and 5% DLC buy rate would be reasonable - but it never reachs this rate.

there had to have been more sales for the 360

1. PS3 vesion outsells X360 version.
2. MS charges for update itself, Sony charges only for traffic.
3. PS3 could have been improved more (support of some PC USB flight-sticks, for example, is impossible).

So, for less money publisher made better update for more people. That was reasonable.
However, sells haven't been improved, nor for the game itself, neither for DLC.

I am not excusing anyone, I am just explaining. As for me, it would be very reasonable to make update for X360 version as well, while the game is still selling.
But I am not the decision maker here.

am i right in saying that now bop development is dead and i need to pin my hopes on you guys making a sequal??

We are very willing to make sequel (and are doing some development already, incorporating new features to Wings of Prey).
We hope, we'll sign deal with some publisher (developers can't release X360 game themselves, without publisher, even on XB Live) - the Birds of Prey was successful, probably not the best title of all times, but meets expectations.
We do not have publishing deal signed yet.

I gather from the above that the Xbox patch was never developed and that the sales of the patched PS3 version failed to improve (less than 5% sales for the DLC).

The PS3 was technically better in that it supported PC joysticks and the cost of releasing the patch for the PS3 was far cheaper than for MS Xbox due to differences between Sony and Microsoft regarding the costs of updates.

Anton - "We are very willing to make sequel (and are doing some development already, incorporating new features to Wings of Prey).
We hope, we'll sign deal with some publisher"

Hopeful news...thanks Evangels