No....I said Dunne invented the swept wing and just mentioned HP had the patent on the slats Messershmitt used, it seems you are the one making stuff up.

Neither swept wing or slats were that 'new', it's just nobody else was in such a hurry to design new things to rampage across the globe murdering people.

Dunnes work was research into stability not high speed flight.

Oh I am terribly sorry Mr Bewolf Sir......I didn't read the sign on the door that this was a closed club, yes constructive contributions like 'history is written by the winners blah blah', I shall strike my mention of the inventor of the swept wing J.W. Dunne as complete spam and historically innacurate and as for automatic slats.....well everybody knows anything automatic could never be a British design.

Wrong premise then, we had that before. There are no history channel kids here, ppl know "how" things develop. But if you go by this, I hope you also make sure in discussions that the Wright flyers or Bell also did not invent their stuff out of thin air.

And btw, The Go229 was not the first wing the Hortens did.

The UK had in the Meteor, which hardly surpassed conventional prop driven fighters of that time. The US had 4 pre production YP80ies in Italy that never saw any action. The P80 was a great design, but jet engines and later wingtip tanks aside, very orthodox.
The british had the Vampire, but it only got into service after WW2. Added to that, all these allied aircraft had centrifugal jet engines, probably better suited for fast production with WW2 technology, but ultimately a dead end.

You said that before, but I yet have to see your examples of allied ballistic missles, swept wing jet fighters and jet powered flying wings. Convince me.

Funny. I thought your line of argument was that "nothing" comes out of thin air?
Then you may want to study history in regards to the nuclear development and the bomb itself a bit more thoroughly.

Double standarts in action.

Not true, centrifugal compressors are very much alive and well, most small turbines have retained them because they are perfect for reducing size, there are a few turbofan engines that use centrifugal cores, quite a few turboprops for the same size reason, centrifugal compressors are less prone to surge.....not such a dead end, axial flow compressors simply reduce the size of the frontal face area to give the low profile desireable for sleek high speed designs but don't offer massive advantages in any other areas.

Like I said, the rest of the world wasn't in a hurry for war.

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Pretty much sums this thread up.

What stuff do I make up?

True, the british had no need for that in India, Iraq and Africa when they came down on uprisings and rebellions against their empire. Or their bomber campaigns against civilians.
You want to continue this line of argument?

So what is your point? Tools and Ace are talking swept wings in the high speed department.

That is what WIki says about slats (funnily enough, I just wanted to check what british company invented the patent later bought by Messerschmitt to support your point)

Slats were first developed by Gustav Lachmann in 1918. A crash in August 1917, with a Rumpler C aeroplane on account of stalling caused the idea to be put in a concrete form, and a small wooden model was built in 1917 in Cologne. In 1918, Lachmann presented a patent for leading edge slats in Germany. However, the German patent office at first rejected it as the office did not believe in the possibility of increasing lift by dividing the wing.[4][5]

Independently of Lachmann, Handley-Page Ltd in Great Britain also developed the slotted wing as a way to postpone stall by reducing the turbulence over the wing at high angles of attack, and applied for a patent in 1919; to avoid a patent challenge, they reached an ownership agreement with Lachmann. That year a De Havilland D.H.9 was fitted with slats and flown.[6] Later a D.H.4 was modified as a monoplane with a large wing fitted with full span leading edge and back ailerons (ie what would later be called flaps) that could be deployed in conjunction with the leading edge slats to test improved low speed performance.[7] Several years later, having subsequently taken employment at the Handley-Page aircraft company, Lachmann was responsible for a number of aircraft designs, including the Handley Page Hampden.

Let me specify. Dead end for high performance fighter aircraft.

No? The Russians and the Japanese had quite some fun before WW2 in this regard.
Or do you, in typical anglo saxon manner, consider Britian "the rest of the world"?

Disagree 100%

But you are welcome to your opinion! S!

This.

Yeah those awfull Brits, if only they had followed the example of the other colonising Nations in the days of colonialism which was from a completely different age with different moralities, still the Jerries came along and showed us how it 'should' be done in a typically efficient way.

I'm not making a point, you were the one that asked why dunne didn't make a high speed swept wing.

I hope you paid attention tho the fact I never said slats were a British invention, I merely mentioned Messershmitts slats were a HP patent.

Sorry to butt in, but yes. That's our Germanic invader's influences and came after our Roman invader's influences. The French invader's influences only came about later, in around erm..1066 I think.;)

Edit: Forgot to mention the Scandinavian invader's influences which were spread throughout most of that period. Sorry. :)

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