After reading through the posts I think the friday update 2 weeks from now will read

"Dear all, after putting up with your crap and negativity over the last couple of months we have held a meeting and deceided to keep the game for our own personal use, as it is impossible to keep you all happy no matter what we do, have a good life and I hope you enjoy your ASA spitfires.

Oleg"

We've seen it over and over with MS they use CG trailers, and shopped photos to show how awesome their games will look. There is absolutely no reason to believe their vids are in game.

No.

I'm surprised major! Don't you think they know?

I'm not surprised here.

I'm really surprised here, Ken.

I've been off the forum for a while, but I have to say it's getting a little barmy (if it wasn't already).

The game/sim is going to be released soon. It's a fair bet that everyone here will buy it (except maybe tree), including all the steam, ubi, DRM moaners.
We'll find out what it's like then. If you don't want to take the financial or other risk, then don't.

Is it possible that 1c games, ubisoft, or Mr Maddox himself doesn't want to show everything, so that we buy it and have a look? The game will then grow by word of mouth, just like Il2 over a period of a decade or more, rather than being simply another over hyped flash in the pan?

Long term sales are desirable after all.

If we were 'drowned' in videos, all the cloud, landscape, wave height, reflection, cliff shadow, tracer (oh for f***s sake), squadron code pigment mix experts would clog up the forum with their usual 'yes but/no you're wrong look at this' blx and just spend their lives arguing about the looks of the tiny details instead of buying the game and playing it.

And yes, I know I've been guilty of it myself on occasions, 'god is in the details' etc (or should it be the devil?).

Just have a bit of patience. We're all going to find out very soon, hopefully.

I've been tinkering with RoF Iron Cross Edition recently. When you're playing it, it looks superb and light years ahead of Il2. (The clouds are well dodgy though and so are the trees and the fields and the grass and the waves, blah blah blah..........)
But as a fellow flying nut I'd recommend it to anyone here.

The videos of Storm of War/Cliffs of Dover/What-Ho, Fritz! look like another quantum leap in comparison.

Have patience, buy the game, have a go, then think about whether you noticed very much of all the things you moaned about.

I've got a feeling that when you're dancing around the sky in mortal combat with an impeccably rendered 109/spit/hurri/whatever, you won't give two hoots about the wave height (how windy was it that day by the way?).

This week's update was really pleasurable for me. A flight of Tigers in the sunset to some really nice music...............ah, yes. I'll have some of that please.:)

I have a hard time believing people would really mistake this trailer for an in-game video. Not only is it standard practice by MS to fake such scenes (as you said), it's also completely obvious in itself. Anyway there's no reason to speculate as the other 3 MS Flight trailers show a slightly tuned FSX engine which is not nearly close to that quality.

But maybe people simply want to be lied to, that's why they're so disappointed when Oleg shows us his sim as it is.

nice post Dutch, but your telling me your not even a bit concerned about the lack of in game footage and sound at this stage of updates?

It shouldn't matter how windy it is, from that height you shouldn't see much of the waves at all. They are very much out of scale:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3415/...53882508_o.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...3882508_ox.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...boardvbv5z.jpg

OM said that we would all be surprised when we play this "game".
How could we, when everything was shown already???

Imho we will all be surprised and happy after installing this software!!!

I know Dutch - it's just been so long - think I'm finally cracking :)

It's hard 'keeping the faith' sometimes.

Truth is I really don't know what to make any more about the lack of real detail + video on some of the features. Either they really are being pushed right down to the wire to get the features ready, or Oleg is a really great poker player and is going to hold those cards close all the way to the end.

Does anyone know if the game has gone gold yet?

2 Weeks to release and still no real ingame footage. Few ground objects screenshots and short vid over the water. I don't know what to think about it. The best selling vids CoD had so far were those two unofficial vids that has been quickly pulled out. I don't get it at all, it looks like 1C/ubisoft don't want to sell this game. I canceled my CE pre-order last week because lack of any ingame footage is a bit fishy at this point. I'll wait untill release, read forums, watch ingame vids on YT (finally!) and then I'll decide whether to buy it or wait for some patches.