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Nice one! It is indeed an M-17:

http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/...0Geofizika.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../8/1275839.jpg

I see a typically Russian cockpit when i look at that.

what is this? and no... it isent what you're used too.
i beleive only 11 were build and after number 7, the entire Hull took a differant shape.;)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...G/p51h526a.jpg

p-51k?

yeah i know, i was trying to be funny but failed miserably.:-P

Funny how this thread has proved to be almost as popular as all the 'sticky' ones put together.

p-51 h
well i think atleast 31 were built cause i found this
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...FG/f51x32a.jpg

after racking my brains for ages i finaly noticed the dual radio antenna.

The Mustang is a P-51 H (Top speed 465 MPH).

Soviet wartime fighters were notoriously developed "on the fly", and some were more lethal to their pilots than the enemy. (Lagg-1, Yak-1a, Mig-1).

The Lagg-3 was notorious for unrecoverable tail spins, despite lead being packed into the nose.

Like all Soviet fighters, the aircraft have zero armour protection, as the Russians seem to have plastered it all over the IL-2 and IL-10 Stormoviks.

There were also no self sealing fuel tanks either.

With the exception of the all metal La-7, the LaGG-1, LaGG-3, and La-5 are all constructed of brittle resin impregnated Birchwood. The Yak series is constructed of resin impregnated Birchwood with wire reinforcement.

It took a special kind of courage to climb into a Soviet fighter that was a true "one-hit-wonder" and face the Luftwaffe or even worst, the Finnish Airforce.

German aces, such as Molders, found it easy to chalk up such amazing tallies over Russia mainly because Soviet pilots were having to fly vastly handicapped and weak fighters. Throw in poor training and an German ace's job become even easier.

The same goes for the Finnish aces.

no, those are model ''D''s I double checked them to be sure., out of the 11 H Mustangs build, the first 7 had the same hull and shape as the D Modell, but the onces after that had a long hull and longer tail then the Original D models. ;)
I got this from an episode of History Channel, and before you attack me,
... I know, you cant allsways trust History Channel to be Historical Correct. :-)

im not going to attack yer cause your probably right, i just saw the dual aerials

What exactly does this have to do with P-51s?

And just saying, by the time the La-5, La-5F, Yak-7b, etc. came into the picture (1942-43) Soviet pilot/plane losses were cut dramatically. Not only because of their better handling, maneuverable, and fast planes that were much better than before; but because the Soviet Air Force (like the Red Army) did a complete over haul pretty much of how they did things. And it was only the early out of date, and pretty much weak fighters, that took guts to climb into. Specially the LaGG-3 which many pilots flew (even in combat) with the canopy open, because the canopy on them was well known for getting stuck or jammed, trapping the pilot inside. Yak-1, 1b, 9,7's etc. were a bit better, but their size kinda proved their defeat. (Mainly one of the reasons the Yak-3 had an all around shorter dimension.) Also, there is no such thing as a Yak-1A... There are only Yak-1s, Bs, and Ms. I would guess by "A" you just mean the original Yak-1? Also, the MiG's problem was that their engines were too underpowered, and they lacked maneuverability even at low altitudes. So they were easy prey for German 109s and 190s.

IS IT A P-51K?

or is it a p 51 h?

Just adding an easy one to calm it down :P

http://i45.tinypic.com/2n8mmnl.jpg

Also what is this??

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i29939.jpg

Tornado Mrca

Mrca lol old school.
Yeah, want to have a guess at the specific variant?

The Answer to my photo is : P-51 H.

Gr4?

Got it.



Now this

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i29939.jpg

Much Refurbished Camberra aircraft

yay

Is it a hairdryer attached via rope to a badly made kite?

hehehe, it sure looks like it? :-P

:grin: sorry, no.

Is it a Space Capsule?

Ahhh but which one? and how is the photo "unusual"

..... You're Lookin' at a Flying Cone with hangs underneath a large para thingy- glider( ... or whats ever they've been called) and you're not saying that this aint UN ussual?

10$ says that this is invented by a Russian who thaught it might have a purpose......... THAT or he simply drank too much Vodka..... ;)

lol. Wrong side.

Project Gemini

E. P. Hetzel testing a recovery system ?

Yes thats right. Its "unusual" because this paraglider land based landing is unlike how the final Gemini missions landed (At Sea with parachutes)

You know what to do!!

hmm, an easy one ?

http://www.photius.com/images/bd05_03d.jpg

Looks like an English Electric Lightning, although with the side-hinged canopy I'm not so sure.

nope...

MiG -21?

noooo... ^^

I'd be very amazed if anyone manages to figure this one out.

1 point for the manufacturer.

1 point for the US Navy Designation.

1 point for the name.

1 point for the British service name.

Only one clue concession.... it isn't a Grumann designed aircraft.

General Motors?

turkey?

TBF?

Avenger?

No matter the markings, no matter the nation, Soviet Ace always knows his Cold War Soviet Planes! :D

So my guess would that it's either an Su-17 (Don't think so because of the way the canopy is.) Su-22, or it could be one of my favorites.... Su-20 Fitter!!! Really though, it doesn't matter which it is because they're all the same basically. Just a bit of a difference in engines, size, and some controls etc.

Oh, and that's not a TBF- Avenger, it's a TBY Sea Wolf. :D That one was too easy. ;)

EDIT: AND I'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE HOURS TO POST MY PLANE(S) SO DON'T ANYONE POST A PLANE UNTIL ME!!! :cool:

Nope

And it isn't the Sea Wolf either.

Another few clues:

It was a competitor, against the Avenger, as a replacement for the Douglas Devestator, and not so famous.

Found more on escort and light carriers, land bases and lend lease to Allied nations fighting in the Pacific theatre. Also a trainer.

It could also dive bomb, unlike the Avenger, so no TB prefix.

The company always named aircraft with the same initial letter as the company name.

brewster?

@soviet ace....

nope

@ Stinger - SU7?

^^ no...

Erm....

yes it is a sea wolf. At least YOUR PIC is a sea wolf.


Unl;ess your thinking of a different plane to the pic, which i would then guess your thinking of maybe the brewster bucanner, lend lease name with the fleet air arm - burmuda.

Mig 21 fishbed?

no ^^

j-7 or f-7?

@Stinger - SU-9??

Honestly mate i've no idea, im just clutching at straws. Me and jets don't go well together lol.

Nope.....

This company had two own design lend lease fighters in production, one lend lease divebomber and one famous trainer monoplane version of one of their fighters in addition to this aircraft.

Is the jet Chinese by any chance??

Thats what im thinking cause it looks a hell of a lot like a Fishbed but i know a load were built under licence.

Panzer check reply further up in regards to your "sea wolf" pic. Cheers

I have the picture of the jet in a book called "The World's 50 Worst Aircraft" which is over a friend's house..... damn it.

It was the world's most retarded technology fighter having a 1950's RADAR system in a 1980's fighter.

That's if it is that one.

The tail is low set, the Sea Wolf has a high tail.

The trainer in question is pretty much a house hold name and a familiar sight at airshows.

Most of this particular aircraft was flown by Commonwealth naval pilots.

They made the RAF's only dive bomber, which was used in Burma.

vultee vengeance

1 point for company name.... the "Vultee Tail" gave it away.

Needless to say the name will start with a V, so what is it??

Xa-31a?

Vultee A-19

Nope, US Navy, RNZ and RAN service only.

Could it be the Chenyang J-7 then? I don't think it was build under licence either. Its just a cheap knock off Mig21.

For their next plane the, J-8, they just stuck the nose section of a mig23 onto a mig21 lol :rolleyes:

yeah ive said J-7 which is exported as the F-7 but im not sure its right.

And when did the Chinese require a licence to make a poor quality knock off of something??

Ive checked and the only Vultees i can see in raf service were the trainer Vultee Stinson Reliant and the Vengance.

Nope.

Another clue concession..... the US Navy designation starts with SB-?? Just the number and letter to be found.

A Cryptic clue as to the US service name.... one word, beginning in V meaning to be proven to be correct in the end.

The UK service name is the same as the first larger half of a well known US Rail Road company.

Verify/Verified?
Santa?

Union?
Burlington?

SBU2 Vindicator
chesapeakes
cheesecakes

Easy? lol

Is it one of the Ye. numbered Mig-21 prototypes? I will guess at urmmmm Ye.4???

@ robotic...
you are right. chinese mig21 clone.
export version F-7

airforce of bangladesh.

So my MiG-21 guess, pages and pages ago, was basically correct LoL :grin:

Oh so Vulcan and me WERE right first time. Vulcan got it first so he can post the next one. ;)

cheers
http://tinyurl.com/ya9hu7n

Sorry Panzer, but YES your picture is a TBY Sea Wolf. Link #1 Link #2 and finally Link #3

Yes, in fact that picture is a TBY Sea Wolf.

@Vulcan: Blackburn Skua/Rock?

STOP BEING SO GOOD:grin:
Yes Blackburn Skua, strange looking bird

I've already told him mate, but he's having none of it. Even the pic he posted is the same as the one in two of your links. I posted a couple of pages back that it was indeed a sea wolf in his pic and that he might be thinking of something else :( i'd love to know what he IS actually thinking of.

@FOZ: My bad, I didn't see your posts. :/

Sorry Vulcan, I can't help it sometimes. :P

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia...ft_su11_01.jpg

No worries mate. Just waiting to see what his answer is.

As for yours..... (i hate jets!! lol) it looks like an SU......

SU-11?

Yep, it surely is an SU-11. :D Interesting Soviet Bomber Interceptor to say the least. I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THAT MISSILE!! lol

Yeah it is a fairly nasty looking missile haha.

In all fairness though i have to admit, i didnt know what it was from memory. While trying to figure out what plane stinger had posted earlier, i came across the SU11, so recognised it straight away lol. Feel like i slightly cheated the system their.

Here's the pic panzergranate posted

Its a seawolf

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Y_Sea_Wolf.jpg

And here is the plane i believe he's talking about (thanks vulcan ;) ) the vindicator

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...VINDICATOR.jpg

Both look slightly similar so can see how you mistook them. But in truth, your original pic is indeed the seawolf. And the plane you mention in the description is the vindicator i believe :D

The Vindicator never saw service with the Raf in contary to the clue i was given. It did however serve with the Fleet air arm.

Yes, the image given on one of the Vultee websites now turns out to have been mis-labelled as a Vindicator, and I took that as gospel. It goes to prove that not everything on a website is correct.

The Vultee Vindicator was the SB2-A, The Brewster Buccaneer was the SB2-B and the Curtis Helldiver was the SB2-C.

The Vindicator was known as the Chesapeake in the Fleet Air Arm.

The Buccaneer was known as the Bermuda and the Helldiver as the Cleveland.

The Helldiver was found to be a poor aircraft by both the US Navy and Fleet Air Arm, though only the Fleet Air Arm was smart enough to reject it for service.

Anyone whose tried to divebomb with a Helldiver in "Battle Stations Pacific" will have experienced just how crap they are as a divebomber, requiring a lot of height in order to pull up, unlike the SBD Dauntless. The poor to non-existant rear defence, clumsy handling, lack of speed, poor rate of climb, easy to stall, etc. are all accurately modelled in the game.

As the Buccaneer (Bermuda) was even worst than the Helldiver, having the worst recorded divebombing hit to miss ratio ever recorded in trails, the Vindicator was the remaining choice available for service with the Fleet Air Arm and Australian Naval Forces.

The Buccaneer saw no combat service and most were either scrapped straight off the production lines or launched into the sea from carriers as unmanned catapult test aircraft.

The Buccaneer was the US's most heavily gunned divebomber (6 x Fixed and 2 x Rear Defence).

Finland had an order for Buccanners but the entry of the US into the war, in 1941, and the fact that Finland was allied to the Axis powers against the Soviets ended the order. With Fins flying them, the aircraft would have probally have shone brightly as a ground attack aircraft.

Ironically, Fleet Air Arm and Commonwealth Vindicator pilots would have trained on Buccaneers. The same went for US Naval Helldiver pilots.

I don't know what that is, and I know I'm not really playing, but wtf is this thing?

http://verydemotivational.com/wp-con...4080443594.jpg

Avro Shackleton,

Nice, thanks vulcan.

You're playing now! Welcome to the funnest thread in the forum :-P

Nice pic BTW.

SAAB Lansen??


Reminds me of a hawker hunter for some reason.

Try this one....

Clues:

This aircraft was a stop gap fighter for the US Army in early 1942 to defend the west coast from immagined Japanese air attack.

In 1942, when P-40 production was increased they were given to the Canadians, who used them as trainers. Because of this suitability, a two seat trainer was derived from it and built by another company. This trainer was called the T-6 Texan in the US and the Harvard in the UK.

The Candians gave their aircraft, in turn, to the Chinese airforce for use with the Flying Tigers. It had reasonable success and produced at least one Ace who managed to down four Ki-21 Helen bombers in rapid succession during a raid.

Described as mediocre, in performance as a fighter, it was arme with 2 x 12.7mm. nose guns and 4 x 7.62mm. wing guns. Top speed was 340 MPH.

From the ground, this aircraft exactly resembles the Japanese Oscar fighter leading to many unfortunate AA accidents with friendly fire. It also later had a long all glass cockpit canopy the same as the trainer, though it was only a single seater.

In the film "Tora, Tora, Tora", several of these fighters were converted and rebuilt to resemble Japanese A3M Val diver bombers and Kate torpedo planes.

These aircraft were used agian for the film "Battle Of Midway" for the same purpose.

Today there are three of these film aircraft that tour the airshows in the US.

The first picture is of the original prototype with an inline engine. The second picture is with the production radual engine and improved cockpit.

So....

1 Point for the manufacturer.

1 point for the "P" number.

1 point for the service name.

I thought the same thing, but when I looked at a couple o' Hunter pics it's actually quite different. Great minds working alike or just 2 fools thinking the same thought? :-P

Points to Hurricane man for the lancen

do i get a point for corecting your mistake? the japanese codes A= carrier fighter D= dive bomber G= heavy bomber B= torpedo bomber dont know what ki stands for or N or J as in the shiden and the shinden (people confuse those 2 planes alot)

t-6 texan?

This another mess up? the planes in the film "tora tora tora" were infact the T6 TEXAN, and also some BT-13 valiants.

But ones made by North American and the other by Vultee. And at no point do i recall either being used a a stop gap fighter.

This makes no sense to me. :???:

North American NA-16?

Vultee BT-13 Valient
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tora_BT.JPG

Mentioned that one above. But it wasnt a combat plane i don't think. Looks like i few mistakes in what panzers saying.

I could be just reading it very wrong though, so will hold back.

sorry mate hadnt noticed that,
the t-6s fly as part of the CAF now in the tora tora tora group i think.
http://wilhelm-aerospace.org/Photos/...te-replica.jpg
vultee valient
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1129/...3c6bf4.jpg?v=0
texan

Yup thats the one. But using it as a stop gap fighter? No!! lol. I cant make sense of it at all.

nice easy one to keep the ball roling.
http://tinyurl.com/ydpoyuj