Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 491330)

~ This place is a cesspool .. an asylum run by the inmates.. If UBI was a Zoo then this place is a jungle where the clowns with the biggest mouths rule the roost.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 492278)

Please.. what knife.. Grow up.

First off the fact that I am a mod else where has absolutely NOTHING to do with my opinion of the way this place is run, which is based solely on the way that I have been treated here just by virtue of showing my face and the way that I have seen others treated with no response from the moderators at all that I could see. The fact that it has been brought up in just about every thread that I have posted in but only here on these boards says a lot about just who this is an issue for. It certainly has no bearing on me or my posts here.. but everyone here who insults me seems to have an issue with it.. as if I have been sent by the enemy to spy.. on this now dead product with a bunch of mean spirited, nasty, immature fans who have big internet cajones and little else .. certainly no common sense to listen to a logical debate.. as if my mere presence will cause some kind of chaos in the CoDforce.. Please.. Get over yourselves.. I came here because I paid my hard earned money for this sim and had to wait YEARS before I could even run it.. which was cool with me .. but having to deal with the likes of some of the folks who post here now that I can finally run it has been the biggest shock.. That was more of a disappointment to me than not being able to run the sim for over a year.. because in spite of all the warnings I got about this place I really was not expecting this. Perhaps if CoD was still active.. if the 1C777 merger had never happened it would be different.. but that was not my doing. I had nothing to do with it and I moderate on the 1C777 boards because of my passion for IL2 and simming.. I do not have and never had any designs on trashing Cod, gloating about Cod, or any such notion and the fact that I hold quite a few people on this board in utter and complete contempt has nothing to do with anything other than the way that the continually try to brow beta anyone and everyone who disagrees with them .. There is only one mod here that I have seen who is worth the name .. and that is all I will say about my opinion of the mods here.

I guess since you saw that I changed my avatar and sig pic that I was "back" so you'd drop in here and take another swipe but in truth I never left.. I just refuse to engage in a battle of wits with paranoid unarmed men who have nothing better to do with their time than try to bully and browbeat people who disagree with them about a piece of friggin software.

As I said I had heard stuff about this place but I never experienced it first hand, because the IL2 boards are not like the CoD boards, until I finally decided to spend more time over here because I wanted to try to give CoD a real go now that I can run it and where else to go to get the 411 on the sim than the official site right? I was not expecting what I did get. It is truly shameful the way this place has been allowed to become..... People who paid for CoD .. or IL2 for that matter have lifetime bans from here because of some nonsense that happened on this forum. That is why even at UBI when I was moderating there I was always dead set against lifetime bans unless it was an absolute clear cut case and I never found one that I felt warranted it. Over here some of these mods let their personal feelings for CoD get in the way too much. I have had my wife insulted.. my character insulted.. and not just me but so so many others, too many others as well and in many cases it was just because they were not happy with the product they bought.. and the truth of the matter is that CoD WAS a POS when it was released for most of the people who bought it..

I got all this flak simply because the new forum exists, and the facts that 1) I moderate there 2) CoD was canned and 3) BoS is coming.. I have very little if any history on the CoD boards .. I may have posted here a few times over the years because I am a forum hound.. but because I could not get CoD to run until this past September when I upgraded.. and mind you.. I got my DDL from UBI within the first two weeks of the sim's release.. I knew I couldn't run it but I wanted to support the sim.. so you do what you can, but I shied away from here because I couldn't run the sim so what could I do ? I just enjoyed IL2 till I could. Yet all I have gotten here from this place is BS.. insults and hassles from too many members of this board. One is too many as far as IO am concerned. Some of these same people would not tolerate a guest in their home being treated the way some folks here are on a daily basis with not even so much as "a knock it off guys" from the mods here. I have been told that I broke out my knee pads.. Now of course that statement can insinuate any number of things .. from getting on my knees to worship to more.. physical acts.. but none of the insinuations are flattering ... yet that is allowed here.. It is shameful. You forget that this is not YOUR forum .. this forum is here for customers of 1C.. Customers like you and I both ... and I have done nothing to warrant the treatment that I have received just by showing up. I have seen others treated in similar fashion.. called liars.. spys.. Jason's minions.. all kinds of condescending derogatory references... told to just go away.. as if the people here owned these boards and had the right to send 1C customers packing.. and the mods here do nothing.

If my feeling that way sounds arrogant and pompus to you then so be it.. but I stand by it. I also stand by everything I said in the post that prompted your response. If I were a paying customer who just bought CoD because I loved flight sims and decided what the he@ll I'll give it a shot even if the reviews are bad.. because it's IL2 and I heard that sim was great... I would show up here and wonder if I just threw my money away. You people act as if the critics of IL2 had the numbers or the power to destroy the sim. That is ridiculous.. Even if the most vocal and prolific critics numbered in the hundreds.. several hundreds.. they would have far less impact nationally that you assume. Look at te critics of IL2.. they numbered in the hundreds.. the high hundreds.. There were die hard CFS fans who acted just like you about CFS .. some of them are just now getting into IL2.. 7 years ago their numbers were even greater..if you consider the FA/Warbirds/AH/CFS crowds.. but that did not stop the sales of IL2.. It grew.. because it was a good product warts and all .. The notion that somehow CoD's critics killed it .. and that that justifies their abuse is a foolish and narrow indeed notion. At best all they did was ofend some folks on these boards but the death of CoD lay solely in the hands of the developers and marketers who built it and marketed it so some of you need to stop abusing newcomers to this board as if the did something to you personally .. like killed your dog or slapped your mother or copped a feel off of your wife..

I know of course that the usual clods will pop up here and trash everything I said with their usual brilliant insight and commentary.. and that's cool.. I expect it .. I always did find it interesting though that the the most ardent fans of this sim preferred the term CloD over CoD... I never understood that. until I came here.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 492278)

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.. I always did find it interesting though that the the most ardent fans of this sim preferred the term CloD over CoD... I never understood that. until I came here.

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK (Post 492652)

Same ol' Bearcat:rolleyes:

You've been used to being a protected species on the old il2 Forum. But here you're not. Get used to it. Every time you try to throw your digital weight around here, I will be here to respond.

That was a big post you made. Hurting?

Yawn......


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Originally Posted by startrekmike (Post 492659)

I have a feeling that this thread will vanish, in fact, I hope it does.

I don't get it, we are all here for the same thing and yet there always seems to be a thread or two running on this board that continues the same circular arguments, posturing and finger pointing.

Well, lets hope that by the time I post this, the mods will have deleted this one also, it has gotten out of control, personal opinions about products are one thing, belittling and dividing the player base is another.

How long has this kind of stuff been going on here? How long can it continue?

Originally Posted by SlipBall (Post 492655)

I think most did to differentiate from Call of Duty

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Originally Posted by Feathered_IV (Post 492678)

I'm just as dismayed by the demise of Cliffs' as anybody else, but one upshot of the entire debacle is that we might one day be able to put this place behind us.

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger (Post 492679)

You can do that any time you want? It's not as though your being held here against your will.