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TomcatViP 09-09-2011 03:40 PM

Let's say that you are cruising at alt >5km and want to add some power.

Since your are cruising your eng regime is low with low rpm <2000 and ata <1 (probably 0,8) .

When you push the throttle, you'll see that your eng won't react as much as you want with the boost raising only a little as the eng torque is not strong enough to balance the torque of the prop with the amount of air it can ingest at the moment.

In that situation lowering the prop pitch will lower the torque needed to spin the prop giving the eng more torque to raise the (eng) rpm. Once the eng rpm start raising, the compressor can spin up the compressor wheel that will deliver more air in the cylinder.

More air, more fuel, more torque, more power -> the speed increase up to a point that you have a new balance. Obviously once the "ata" & the speed raise you need to coarse back slightly the prop pitch monitoring closely those 3 values (the position of the throttle, the boost level and the rpm gauges).

Note that there is no spectacular results to expect from this but still you'll get some better result and will raise your op ceiling in the beast

~S!

trumps 09-09-2011 03:49 PM

Tomcat, I don't have a problem against either the Hurri or the 1 and 1a spits, I just don't turnfight fullstop, I also don't use the mineshells as I fly the E-1. I tried the e-4 out when I initially downloaded the patch but quickly returned to my old faithful, I still think the E-1 is the best 109 of the ones in game, it suits my style anyway! The only plane I can't combat is the IIa unless I catch him totally unaware.

Craig

trumps 09-09-2011 04:04 PM

Ze-Jamz, and David, you can still comapare it to driving a car, think like this, you are cruising in your car at 100kph in 5th gear at 2000rpm, you want to overtake someone you can just stamp on the gas and wait for the engine to get higher in the rev range where it makes most power, or you can downshift to 4th, which will put the engine Into it's powerband so to speak and accelerate quicker, eventually you will still have to change back into 5th but you will be going faster at this stage and the engine will already be near it's peak. Most engine types develop their peak at around 2/3- 3/4 of their max revs.

Craig

David198502 09-09-2011 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomcatViP (Post 333871)
Let's say that you are cruising at alt >5km and want to add some power.

Since your are cruising your eng regime is low with low rpm <2000 and ata <1 (probably 0,8) .

When you push the throttle, you'll see that your eng won't react as much as you want with the boost raising only a little as the eng torque is not strong enough to balance the torque of the prop with the amount of air it can ingest at the moment.

In that situation lowering the prop pitch will lower the torque needed to spin the prop giving the eng more torque to raise the (eng) rpm. Once the eng rpm start raising, the compressor can spin up the compressor wheel that will deliver more air in the cylinder.

More air, more fuel, more torque, more power -> the speed increase up to a point that you have a new balance. Obviously once the "ata" & the speed raise you need to coarse back slightly the prop pitch monitoring closely those 3 values (the position of the throttle, the boost level and the rpm gauges).

Note that there is no spectacular results to expect from this but still you'll get some better result and will raise your op ceiling in the beast

~S!

dont you mean increase the proppitch???at least on the gauge its an increase of it.
when do i know that i overreved the engine enough??
i observed, that when i go from level flight into a climb, and increase the prop pitch(meaning going from 10 to eleven o clock on the gauge) there comes the point, where suddenly the ata pressure decreases slightly the more i increase the prop pitch......is that the point where i should stop increasing the pp?

is it advisable to maintain the highest possible ata pressure all the time?


meaning in combat situation, i mainly fly with full throttle and only adjust the pp.through change of the prop pitch, the pressure changes as well, ....
so if i maintain 1,325ata with full throttle...would that be the way to go????

TomcatViP 09-09-2011 09:24 PM

Seems there is some weirds thing there (I am back on topic :spit)

I did some lazy cubans eight among some spits deck (clnt' see them) at a 450/480 kph average and as soon as one see me and took my 6 (cldn't see him before he was there) I was unable to pass 415.

I guess there is the suc*** cheat back on server (the one that pull you backward once your in the visor of those aces).

Dav I will answer later I just feel disgusted for now.

~S

Winger 09-09-2011 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomcatViP (Post 334094)
Seems there is some weirds thing there (I am back on topic :spit)

I did some lazy cubans eight among some spits deck (clnt' see them) at a 450/480 kph average and as soon as one see me and took my 6 (cldn't see him before he was there) I was unable to pass 415.

I guess there is the suc*** cheat back on server (the one that pull you backward once your in the visor of those aces).

Dav I will answer later I just feel disgusted for now.

~S

If you fly a Spitfire IIa then you dont need a cheat. This plane IS a cheat.
Again. All serverhosters please ban this developers joke from the servers until either the other planes their performance raised or this ones is lowered.

Winger

ElAurens 09-10-2011 04:27 AM

OMG.

The one aircrat that is properly modeled and you all take the pi**.

And you think I have an agenda?

LOL.

trumps 09-10-2011 05:05 AM

the problem is, if it is properly modeled it has no place amongst every thing else that is improperly modeled. would you rather they get rid of all the undermodeled planes and both sides just use the IIa? Wake up ElAurens!!!

Craig

JG5_emil 09-10-2011 12:30 PM

"The first recorded Mk II being shot down was with 611 Squadron on September 11th 1940. "

The Spit II shouldn't be the representative aircraft for the RAF in BOB servers. It was a late entry and most of those produced weren't used during the BOB.

Osprey 09-10-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winger (Post 332897)
That is what i said.... leave the spit II out and put in Spits Ias and hurris. This is a very good matchup with the current FMs. AND it equates history since the Spit IIa was not present in BOB in significant numbers. I am no historican but i read that numerous times now and take it to be true.

Winger


So will you start a similar thread when the rotol props + 100 octane fuel are added? tbh mate I've not been flying COD purely because I got fed up with too many times there were 109's parked over the airfield vulching and frankly, after warming up an engine I couldn't be arsed with it so went to fly RoF instead. I imagine that this was mainly down to the imbalance toward LW due to the missing Rotol Spits and LW desperately seeking opponents perhaps? It's no surprise that servers put in the IIa once LW got am even better aircraft.

JG53Frankie had it right in the first page - wrong planes and bad FM's to start.

109E1 & E4 vs
Rotol Spit I and Hurricane I, get the FM's right from the off and you have a game to build from, starting with the AI for them.

When the day comes that I can escape a 109 with a tight steep climbing turn, particularly to the left, and that he can escape me by pushing the nose hard down (I would expect him to pull away due to weight too), then I will be much happier. Real pilots on both sides admitted this. I would really like to see Allied and Axis fliers unite and come to some concensus with 1C over getting these models right - not to balance the online game - instead of the constant bickering because they suddenly find things a lot harder than they used to.

PS, Winger - Pupo162 is a 109 bumlicker, always has been so you're well out of line, particularly with the insult.


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