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Gotta admit, I think he nailed the handling of the X-wings and Tie-Fighters far better than these UFO-51's ;)

I would be much happier with a true as possible story line. Unforchantly Hollywood is more interested in sales than the truth. Peal Harbor was visually stunning but totally spoilt by the plot, acting and direction. Liberty Bell is the best of the US flight film IMA.

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Originally Posted by drewpee (Post 317786)

I'm taking a guess that you mean "Memphis Belle" ?

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Originally Posted by Raggz (Post 317789)

I'm taking a guess that you mean "Memphis Belle" ?

LOL yes Memphis Belle. My bad:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by speculum jockey (Post 317673)

If it makes you feel any better.. blah blah

You miss the point completely, of course, as to be expected in any terminally weak argument that invokes racism in it's first sentence (Godwin-lite?).

If it's not feasible to include it in a film in this day and age because of wrong-headed sensibilities then just don't include it. If hearing such words in a plummy British accent offends your delicate ears, don't put it in, no need to invite the revisionism squad to pretend it was something it wasn't. Not as if there's not enough drama elsewhere in the mission to cover, is it!

If it makes things any easier for you to understand, I'd be just as irritated by the invention of a beautiful American love interest, the casting of a woman as Wing Commander 'Guy' Gibson, or a P51 pathfinder piloted by Ben Affleck out in front of the Lancasters (or, logically, B17s). All just as fictitious as a dog named Digger.

It's simply unnecessary and cheapens the whole venture. The movie industry seems to view the public as simpletons (in this, and, to return vaguely to topic, the perceived need to portray WWII fighters as inertialess X-Wings because, presumably, real aircraft are just not sexy enough).

:rolleyes:

Fifty bucks says there will be a line something like:

"A pilot? Y'all got as much chance o becommin' pilots as one o' your kind as become president o the You-nighted Staites"

A couple of comments about the movie from Ed Shipley:

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Just left OSH after spending a couple days with Lucas there.... he showed the trailer at the Young Eagles dinner... got a standing ovation. Then played it last night at the Ford Theater in the woods.... thousands of people there.... another standing ovation... and they screamed for it to be played again... which they did.

ASB has been helping consult on the flying sequences with the Mustangs for over year.... its been very cool to see this movie come together. The flying is mostly CGI... I wasn't sure about how it would really come out at first... but George's team has nailed it. For the first time ever the epic scale of aerial combat has been captured. No one could ever find the real planes or money to do it in the lens... George has the technology and skill set to make it all from scratch....

End of the day.... it's a dog fighting movie.... over an hour of aerial combat.... it's off the hook.

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I've been looking at the Red Tail CGI for almost two years now. These guys are really driving for as much detail as they can... for example they were at the Gather of Mustangs and Legends taking photos of the tiny details of the Mustangs metal... which they then used to skin into the wire frames they built. ASB took two Mustangs up to Skywalker and attacked the ranch so their sound design folks could capture the noise the Stangs made. It goes on and on. As I watched the CGI come together... one of the things that I was quite taken back by was the scope of the number of aircraft in the air. Hundreds of them... these are not numbers that Lucas made up so he could make the movie bigger... it's how it really was. No one has been able to generate that number of planes in the air before. Additionally, because of the CGI they were able to place the camera (and audience) in places to watch the action where no one has ever been before.... which at times makes some of the shots overwhelming... but when was the last time anyone sat still at 20,000 feet and had a hundred B-17's come by while they were being attacked?

All I can tell you is that these guys have attacked the dogfight sequences with great effort and passion...

If you don't know who Ed Shipley is, he's the guy in `Double Trouble Two'.

http://www.aero-pix.com/qp09/p51/images/img_004.jpg

You would think that a guy who flies P-51s pretty regularly would be the most upset about the unrealistic flight model in this 2 minute trailer. Oddly, he does not appear to be very upset. Maybe you P-51 experts should go over to ASB and set him straight about how a P-51 really performs.

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Originally Posted by choctaw111 (Post 316856)

I noticed a lot of "Hollywood" stuff in there. Why can't these film makers just keep things historical?

because the movie is for "ordinary" people and not for "nitpickers" like us here... ;-)

And as hes getting paid by them hes not exactly going to tell us there rubbish is he? :rolleyes: