I'm speculating what those guys would say or think. That isn't an opinion.

Are you saying you aren't as good at Diablo 2 hardcore as you are in King's Bounty?

Great, I was talking about other threads which you posted on since you were pulling in other threads into this thread. I'm a bit surprised you can't seem to extrapolate this.

I see that you thought I was referring to your Mage Assistance thread. I was not.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=35778&page=4

You posted about initiative in another thread which is not listed here.

That's great, but I wasn't one of them.

Yeah, but a LOT of people have done it if one is to believe the posts and videos. You immediately dismissed the possibility with sarcasm without even considering it with your snide remark

You just didn't appear to realize it was possible, otherwise you would have said "it's possible, but I don't believe most people did it".

Well, I find the Diablo 2 aspect somewhat on topic with regards to "challenges".

Let's face it. Practice makes perfect. While "hardcore" Diablo 2 means "no mistakes" essentially you learn from experience and practice making "no mistakes".

That's really no different from King's Bounty save/reload on a very high level.

Obviously if you know what you are doing and have a solid plan in place, you will need to do this far less in both games.

The solo hardcore naked necromancer builds follow a relatively "simple" formula that someone else took time to devise. (Just watch the video and you can easily see) This is very very similar to someone "borrowing" ideas from a no-loss guy in King's Bounty.

Or, you can see how relatively speaking both "challenges" aren't really utterly challenging at all if someone has the blue print. Hopefully you can see why someone might consider Diablo 2 hardcore, not really a challenge but a similar artificially frustrating construct as King's Bounty no-loss. And if you can claim one of them is "pointless" or "stupid". You could just as easily say the same about the other (or all video game challenges for that matter).

Just how logical is it that you can defeat the Lords Of Hell... naked? :)

Opinion, speculation, whatever, the same to me.

Non sequitur; However, let's not make this all about my person, ok? :) Am I that interesting? The point is that Diablo at least offers a challange, while KB does not. (even more so because of it's TBS-fights.)

And I was very correct in what I posted. The game really isn't about damage. It's about spells, skills and talents. The enemy units could deal 1 milion damage/ unit and it would be a moot point since they seldom even get the chance to act with all the spells (blind, sheep, fear, etc), skills (diversions), unit abilities (flashbomb, etc) completly negating the units from taking action.
And yes, thorns are mathematically better then BD's in damage potential in KB game as can be easily proven. BD do not benefit almost at all from hero bonus attack while Thorns greatly do.


No, it's hugely different. To play a fair Diablo game (no killing of the same mob more then 1 time, no Save and Exit if you're about to die, etc) it's actually something that requires attention, skill, adrenaline. Especially if you add up the extra-fairness rule "No town portals", but even without it.
KB you hardly need strategy because the game is so imbalanced. Thank Odin for at least having the possibility to fix that via modding.
Save/Reload is basically a cheat. I won't discuss it because there's nothing to elaborate about it. It's like playing chess and you say, "I made a bad move, now I'll retract it and make a better one" - except the rules of the game prevent that. Of course everybody is free to save/reload every 10 seconds for all I care. Just that it's my birthright and freedom of speech to express my opinion that this thing negates all challange. :)

It would be an error to think all games have equal challanges. Most games are indeed easy because the target audience is not that bright, so it will suffice for the companies to make profit $$. Sure, beating 1 AMAI insane computer in Warcraft 3 is Easy if you're at least hasu, but the challange level of the task is still much greater then finishing all KB games on impossible.

He is naked too I think so it's a fair fight.

Oh this is rich, some1 post tread about 5th lvl units on Viking class, and you answer to question from another tread about Mage build with absolutely no connection to question at hand. And then accuse other posters for fail in logic, and being unable to read while you dont apply same standard on yourself. That`s cute.

And agian, you so bravely defend your stand and claim you never insulted anyone and still no response on my question here. Be brave and find my post where i lied and i`ll never again post anything in any way connected to you.

When I said that I was correct in what I posted I was reffering to what I wrote in his topic about LVL 5 units. :)

Stop being so illogical please. And maybe calm down a bit, you're too angry and resentful. You keep flaming me just because I have disagreed with you, it's not very mature, you know. :)

I showed you are a liar many times now - your post #79 in this topic for example, but there are many others where you shamelessly and lacking common sense you spread lies about me. You said I never helped anybody on this forum and I proved you wrong.

Well, there is the real time element but for some that isn't such a big deal. It isn't like a million bullet shoot them up game. Can we agree the 'real time' element of diablo 2 isn't exactly demanding compared to most games?

Although, "no save and exit" sounds terribly harsh.

I do agree save/reload is faster but the mechanical nature of devising a strategy for your diablo 2 run and king's bounty run. I believe it is far more similar than you think it is, which is why I'm curious if you weren't as good at diablo 2. It isn't a personal insult, but a reference that some gamers are better at some tasks than others.

Again, Diablo 2 Solo Hell Naked Hardcore which you deem "oh so hard" has just as similar of a list of "imbalanced" skills that work so well. Why is it that only ONE class out of the entire game can do it SO well? Isn't that horribly imbalanced by design? Shouldn't you be allowed to solo hardcore naked easily with EVERY class in the game?

The general idea is to use bone wall and have spammable potions everywhere. General crowd control (dim vision etc) and bone spirit as offense. It's tedious but it works similarly to your royal snake vs 2000 bear scenario or magic spring + troll vs Driller.

Well, on a very high level, I find them to be similar. It takes some creativity to have the 'plan' but afterwards it is just mechanical for both games. Some people aren't as good at the real-time element, ergo your adrenaline factor and the reloading of a King's Bounty game is certainly more forgiving.

Haha, fair enough! :)

Well, yes, it's certainly less demanding than other games like Unreal Tournament or multiplayer RTS games.

I'm better at TBS than I am at RTS because I don't have excellent micro, only good. For example I use the mouse to cast spells in Warcraft 3, instead of using keyboard shortcuts which are much faster IF you have the agility and dexterity for that. I haven't played Diablo 2 PVP so I can't assess how good I would be.

Yes, well, if thats the case, then it surely isn't that hard if you exploit some ability that was left imbalanced. Doing a naked Barbarian hell diablo seems hard to me.

If it's possible to do then it's pretty imbalanced indeed. No character should be able to do this if the game was balanced.

Ok but still there's way more things like this in KB then in Diablo. It isn't just one thing there are many of them. This is what bothers me, that I have to edit the game to make it challanging. It is so simple to balance things in KB.. just prevent things like infinite mana combos, or no-retaliation exploits, or troll night regeneration.

Agreed about RTS, but yes Diablo 2 definitely has more manual dexterity requirements than King's Bounty. Especially now that kiting is even easier, and failing a kite isn't fatal.

Wow, yeah, I'm a keyboard nut with War3/DoTA (when I used to play) and SC2. Back when I used to play, I memorized every hotkey for every hero (both DoTA and War3), every race in all of the blizzard RTS. No key remapping.

Ah ok, that explains why you feel it is much more difficult. Nothing wrong with that! Just curious so I can see the reference point!

No question there about the barbarian. Regarding necro being the easiest naked char run, I agree that it sounds a bit broken as the original designers probably never intended for it to be that way! :)

I generally agree with you on King's Bounty. Although in Diablo 2, there are some pretty broken skills even if you aren't fully naked. Sorceresses able to drain down bosses to half life using a low skill? Paladins able to kill the most powerful enemy (Uber Tristam is a new thing that is MUCH MUCH MUCH harder than Diablo alone) with a SINGLE point in a level 1 skill (smite). Yeah yeah you need some items to do it, but I was pissed at how easy it was.

I suppose in a nutshell, for most single player games and a few multiplayer games, there is always some sort of "imbalance" of sorts. It's a real shame. For better balance, multiplayer tends to be the only way to go and that's ONLY if the developers are proactive in making sure the game is competitive.

You might have to pick up a new hobby if you want continuous real challenges or go into multiplayer is what I'm saying. :)

But, what I do like about King's Bounty is, to me, it is fun! :) I think the developers left some of those options in there to have you sort of enjoy romping the computer a bit. Perhaps they also did it to open the doors to new players as when I first played Armored Princess I felt progression was a little bizarre and not straightforward.

Perhaps the next best "challenge" for King's Bounty would be
1) lowest level victory
2) fastest run (game time)
3) fastest run (real time)

Allow losses though.

I'm not sure if that's going to be too easy, but I think it might be interesting. See, allowing losses isn't always much easier since restocking is necessary to maintain strength to win certain battles and restocking would kill your fastest game time score.

Yeah you have hypnosis and sacrifice, but that would hurt your 'real time' score.

Skald/Paladin class has the "use units from reserve" so clearly they encouraged that sort of usage/play.

Also, since you love Turn Based Strategy, not sure if you played an OLD game called Master of Monsters. Someone made a 'remake' of it of sorts, and they intentionally tried to make save/reload unnecessary.

http://www.wesnoth.org/

Like you know how in King's Bounty if you follow the same steps you can repeat a battle exactly the way as before? Wesnoth's random generator prevents this and you will never repeat a battle like that.

(Personally I like, the 'fixed' random regeneration if only to show people you did it before like a saved replay). Maybe this should be an option for King's Bounty?

No you claimed that 20 days ago and never give proof of it. My post #79 here was question if you helped anyone with some TRUE advice, and contribute in whole forum.
Your answer was, `Yes i said to someone to lvlup his skills and then quoted those skills to him`, that`s not help form human being but parrot who knows 3 lines of text.
And i never spread lies about you, my posts are true.
I guess you call me liar on this account, but i have no idea why. Still hope to see you proofing yourself with some evidence.

You keep bitching about game is imbalanced, game is imbalanced. Why wouldnt it be? Life is imbalanced, so 3% of population hold 95% of world resources in control, would you call that balance ??? So why would then game, product of someones fiction be any better then real life in terms of balance ?

tiberiu is just brainless and wants some attention;)

First he saying D2 on hardcore is real hard and later when ckdamascus puts some vids and stuff he lays down hands LMAO

Besides if u want a pretty good balanced game play starcraft broodwar i challenge u for 1v1 np;)


and i love how u TIBERIU keep saying i didn't insult anyone

yet you call fatt_shade a liar
bhriuc and asshole

and you say you helped the forum community
well HOW DID u do that?

giving some standard tips without any example of a vid of ss or w/e
saying u need trolls for spider boss or w/e
isn't helping at all

you have to elaborate and I haven't seen u doing that in any way

you keep saying things are imbalanced and stuff but why?
oh wait here it comes

1 royal snake vs 1k bears oh wait i heard that 1000 times again and again
got anything else?

like u say stone skin is imbalanced wel why?

The fact here is just that you show off but don't provide anything
you say no loss is easy and whatsoever well show me a vid or anything that u do it then we can tallk yeah?

And i just love it how u go off topic on your thread with d2 lol
very wise indeed

So it's come to this. Pathetic insults and name calling. They say the last resort of the incompetent is the ad hominem attack. :cool:

Too bad moderators on this forum are unfair and apply the rules selectively. I can only expect they're waiting for me to reply even more insulting then you do so that they can have a reason to eliminate me for showing the flaws of your reasoning. But this won't happen, because I'm not a stupid uneducated prick, like other people in this world.. ;)

Happy circlejerking! :rolleyes:

PS. Learn to write for chrissake... your block of nonsense is barely readable. And less Caps Lock ok son?